Make Something Agents Want

Welcome to another episode of The Lightcone. [upbeat music] Things are a bit different around here. For one thing, Claude Code has totally taken over my life, and if Jared is any indication, I think OpenClaw maybe has taken over his.

I've been really addicted to this new site called MaltBook, where people have unleashed their AIs to interact in the first-ever AI agent-only online community. I am here impersonating my personal OpenClaw instance right here.

[chuckles] Okay, I can't do this, guys. We gotta take this off. [upbeat music] Okay, we've gotten that out of the way. I mean, some crazy stuff is happening right now. Uh, I have, you know, non-technical CEO friends who are going all in on OpenClaw. They're automating entire parts of their businesses, uh, entirely using OpenClaw right now, which is totally insane. Simultaneous to that, you have, you know, product and former engineering CEOs, uh, kind of like myself, it's like I hadn't written code in ten years, and then now I'm up till two, three AM every single night, running four conductor simultaneous workers with Claude Code. So, you know, there's sort of this explosion in, uh, model capability. You know, we've been talking about this for several years, but then it feels like it's here, like AGI is literally actually here, and, uh, you know, we're sort of at the thin edge of the wedge. Like, everyone now kind of knows, like, one or two people who have gone full cyber psychosis, and I'm one of those people now. [chuckles] What's happening, guys? Like, I mean, you're saying you're, you know, all in on MaltBook. What-- You know, what's going on?

Yeah, I feel like your real feel the AGI moment, Garry, was like getting Claude Code to build basically an entire startup for you, like replicating years of work of your previous startup in, like, two weeks, which is, like, insane. And I had a similar feel the AGI moment just reading MaltBook, just reading the AI talking to each other and interacting, like, in their own world with no or minimal human involvement. It just really opened my eyes to what the next few years could look like when the agents are unleashed and go on about their lives without us.

Yeah, I think the no human involvement is the big piece. Like, if you, if you think back a year ago, we were talking about Cursor versus Windsurf, and, like, that product experience was essentially, like, advanced autocomplete, arguably. And now clearly, what's going on with Claude Code is, like, the people just trust the agents to make decisions for them. Like, it's like the experience is like... And like you're talking about, it's like four or five different agents going at the same time, and you're switching between them, but you're not actually micromanaging them anymore, which means the agents are going out there, like, choosing things, which, you know, uh, sort of an interesting, unexpected application of that is, like, they can go out and choose to post their own content on a site like MaltBook. But then, an, uh, interesting thing for builders is the agents are gonna go out and choose tools to use to build things, which is gonna essentially create this whole economy of agents, like, picking and choosing dev tools or maybe other, like, products or goods and services, who knows? But it, you'll essentially have this whole agent economy going on in parallel to the human economy.