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Adam Fishman: Takeaways from Lyft and Patreon; How to Build Viral Loops | 20VC #897

CORRECTION: Adam's Twitter handle is @fishmanaf Adam Fishman is one of the leading growth practitioners of the last decade. Most recently, Adam was the Chief Product and Growth Offer @ Imperfect Foods, where Adam built a 40-person product and growth organization, responsible for 70% of overall company metrics and growing revenue by 400% in one year to $600M annually. Before Imperfect, Adam spent 4 years as VP of Product and Growth @ Patreon, driving the company pivot and rebrand and helping the company scale to $1BN GMV and $100M in revenue. Finally, before Patreon, Adam was the Head of Growth @ Lyft, Adam was the first growth and marketing employee hired, grew the team to 18 people, and reported directly to the founders. ---------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 What was your entry into growth? 02:58 Key takeaways from Lyft and Patreon 04:59 Learning from failure in growth 06:25 Data or intuition in Growth? 08:02 How do you define growth today? 10:02 Do you hire experienced or junior growth leaders? 12:36 Should a growth team be a standalone team? 15:47 What is a growth loop? 21:12 How do companies go wrong with growth loops? 25:21 Hiring process for growth 31:41 Questions to ask in interview process 34:47 Doing due diligence on the Lyft CEO 36:19 How to onboard smoothly 39:05 How to communicate effectively 40:40 How long to give a hire before it’s not working out 42:55 How to be a world-class cross-functional communicator 48:02 The Patreon Rebrand 52:30 Parallels between managing and parenting 53:35 What growth tactics have not changed? 54:05 What growth tactics have died? 55:10 Biggest mistake companies make when hiring growth 55:58 What would you like to change about Growth? 56:47 Worst growth experiment 58:37 Most impressive growth strategy ---------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with Adam You Will Learn: 1.) Entry into Growth: How Adam first made his way into the world of growth when “growth” did not exist as a function? What were Adam’s biggest lessons from leading Lyft’s growth team? How did that impact his mindset? What are some of Adam’s biggest takeaways from his time at Patreon? What are some of the biggest mistakes he made at Patreon? 2.) The Basics: Growth 101: What and When: How does Adam define “growth” today? What is it? What is it not? When is the right time to hire your first growth hires? Should this first hire be a seasoned growth leader or a more junior growth rep? What characteristics and skill sets should this growth hire have? 3.) The Hiring Process: How should founders structure the hiring process for their first growth hire? What 3 questions should all founders ask in the hiring process for growth? How can founders use data and case studies to really test the skillsets of growth candidates? Why does Adam believe that the hiring process for growth and product is so broken? 4.) The Onboarding Process: What is the right way to structure the onboarding process for new growth hires? How should growth hires create cross-functional relationships and communication with the rest of the team? What has worked for Adam in the past? What has not? What are the signs that are new growth hire is not working? How long should they be given? What are the signs that are a new growth hire is working? What is the sign of “exceptional”? 5.) Adam Fishman: AMA: What growth decision has Adam made without data? How did it go? How does Adam define “viral loops”? What makes one better than another? Where do so many make mistakes with viral loops? Adam led the rebrand for Patreon, what is the secret to a successful rebrand? What are some of the most common pitfalls to avoid? ---------------------------------------- #AdamFishman #ProductGrowth #HarryStebbings #growthmarketing #lyft #patreon #startup #venturecapital #productmarketing #businessadvice #business

Harry StebbingshostAdam Fishmanguest
Jun 14, 20221h 1mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

From Lyft to Patreon: Adam Fishman’s Playbook for Product-Led Growth

  1. Adam Fishman, former growth leader at Lyft and Patreon, explains how he evolved from a quantitative marketer into a product-led growth executive, emphasizing experimentation, speed, and deep customer understanding.
  2. He defines growth as systematically understanding how a company acquires, retains, and monetizes users through growth loops, then tactically testing levers to separate fact from fiction.
  3. Fishman walks through how to design growth orgs, when and how to hire a first growth leader, how to onboard them effectively, and the communication and hiring frameworks he uses.
  4. He also shares major wins and failures, including a notorious Patreon pricing change, a failed referral loop at an edtech company, and a hard-won rebrand and repositioning at Patreon.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Build a clear growth model and loops before hiring growth leaders.

Founders should first understand how the business grows—its acquisition, retention, and monetization loops—and what levers exist, then hire against that model rather than hoping a growth hire will define it from scratch.

Hire a mid-level “player-coach” as your first growth leader.

Fishman recommends a director-ish, quantitative generalist who can both do the work and build basic processes, avoiding overly junior order-takers and overly senior execs who only want to hire a large team.

Use experimentation and failure as learning systems, not one-off bets.

Growth requires a high tolerance for being wrong: document experiments, run postmortems, and insist that every failed test yields new insight about customers or the model, rather than random “spaghetti at the wall.”

Blend quantitative data with qualitative customer input for key decisions.

Over-relying on numbers led Patreon into a damaging pricing change; Fishman now insists on pairing data with direct customer conversations and prototyping, especially for changes that affect trust and perception.

Keep growth loops simple, focused, and truly circular.

A good loop is a closed cycle where outputs become inputs (e.g., Lyft’s referral loop); companies go wrong by overcomplicating diagrams, calling slow one-off motions “loops,” and spreading effort across too many loops at once.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

A growth person has to be almost immune to failure, because you get so many things wrong in your career.

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The overall job of a growth org is to connect more people to the value the company is already creating.

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You’re not inventing things from whole cloth in growth—you’re taking what’s already there and getting more people to touch it and build habits around it.

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Most of the standalone growth teams I’ve seen eventually get folded into product or marketing. Org design is rarely static.

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The last thing you want to do is put your product in the hands of more people when it sucks.

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Adam Fishman’s career path and lessons from Lyft and PatreonDefining growth, growth leadership, and growth org designGrowth models, growth loops, and how to build themHiring, interviewing, and onboarding a first growth leaderBalancing data, qualitative insight, and failure in experimentationCross-functional communication and internal alignment for growth teamsBranding, repositioning, and their impact on growth

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