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Chris Paik: How I Raised $400M; Substack's Broken Business Model; Music on TikTok vs IG | E1011

Chris Paik is a General Partner @ Pace Capital, an early-stage venture firm in NYC. Pace’s first fund was $150M and their second was $250M. Before co-founding Pace, Chris was a General Partner at Thrive Capital where he spent an incredible 8 years having joined the firm when they were on their first $10M Fund. ------------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (1:12) Who is Chris Paik? (7:49) How to Hire the Best (9:38) Deep Dive on Pace Capital (23:23) DEBATE: “Invest in companies that cannot be described in a single sentence.” (27:54) Atomic Value Swaps (34:47) Social Graphs vs Interest Graphs (36:43) The 7 Deadly Core Motivators (45:05) Why Music is So Important to TikTok (48:32) The Importance of Market Timing (57:02) DEBATE: Was there a market risk for Tesla? (1:04:28) What kinds of companies are “venture backable”? (1:11:19) Is “Defensibility” BS? (1:14:01) Venture Capital’s Biggest Problems Today (1:39:13) Quick-Fire Round ------------------------------------------------ In Today’s Episode with Chris Paik We Discuss: 1. From Hipster to One of NYC’s Best VCs: How Chris made his way from not knowing about venture capital to being one of the most prominent in NYC? What are 1-2 of his biggest takeaways from his 8 years at Thrive? How did they impact how he thinks about building Pace today? What are Chris’ biggest lessons from working with Josh Kushner? What did Josh do to spot young talent in a way like no one else did? 2. The Core Pillars of Successful Venture Investing: “Invest in companies that can be described in a single sentence”. What does Chris mean by this? How does that impact the type of companies he looks to invest in? “Business Model Fit is as important as PMF”. What does Chris mean by this? How does he determine where a company has business model fit? How does Chris analyze his relationship to market sizing? How does Chris think about how willing he is to take a bet on market timing? Why does Chris believe that the more “virtuous” a company is, the less enterprise value it will have? 3. What is Wrong with Venture Capital: The Misalignments: What does Chris believe are the single biggest misalignments between VCs and Founders? What does Chris see as the biggest misalignments between VCs and LPs? Why does Chris believe we should scrap capital gains tax and all be taxed as an income tax? Why do acquisitions allow investors to be screwed over by the acquiring company? 4. The Future of Social and User Generated Content Platforms: How does Chris analyze consumer businesses according to “The Seven Deadly Sins”? Why does he call them, “The Seven Deadly Motivators”? What does Chris believe is the future for Substack? Why does it not have Business Model Fit? What are 1-2 of his biggest lessons from being on the Twitch board? How did that experience impact his mindset and approach to what good is in UGC and social? What does Chris believe is the number one thing to look for in a potential consumer social investment? What do so many miss? -------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Chris Paik on Twitter: https://twitter.com/cpaik Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vc_reels Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact --------------------------------------- #ChrisPaik #PaceCapital #HarryStebbings #thrivecapital #joshkushner #venturecapital

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May 8, 20231h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Chris Paik Dissects Venture Capital Incentives, Markets, and Moats

  1. Chris Paik, co‑founder of Pace Capital and former Thrive Capital investor, explains how his accidental entry into venture led to building a concentrated, early‑stage firm with an equal‑partnership model and no platform/portfolio‑services team. He emphasizes timing, markets, and structural business mechanics over founder mythology, arguing that many popular venture narratives around defensibility, market risk, and ‘doing good’ are misunderstood. Paik introduces core frameworks such as atomic value swaps, the seven deadly sins as motivators, and the distinction between product–market fit and business‑model–product fit, applying them to companies like Twitch, TikTok, Tesla, and Substack. The conversation closes with a critical look at LP–GP misalignment, the fee-and-carry model, and how regulation and incentive redesign might reshape the venture ecosystem.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Market quality often matters more than founder quality in venture outcomes.

Paik argues that even world‑class founders cannot overcome a structurally bad or non‑existent market, likening startups to surfers who can ride waves but cannot create them; strong markets (the waves) are the dominant driver of outsized outcomes.

Venture capital should target businesses with genuine market risk, not pure execution risk.

He distinguishes between building into validated demand (e.g., another polo shirt or typical DTC brand) versus tackling uncertain demand enabled by new infrastructure or regulation; the latter justifies venture’s risk capital, while the former often does not.

Defensibility is designed in the system from day one, not stumbled into accidentally.

Paik contends moats come from deliberate product and system design choices that scale (e.g., Twitch’s economics and creator incentives), and that investors should evaluate whether the ‘recipe’ for future defensibility is embedded early, even if the moat isn’t yet visible.

The ‘atomic value swap’ is a powerful lens for analyzing any business model.

By breaking a product down into the precise value exchanged between company and counterparty (e.g., Twitter offering distribution only vs. YouTube offering distribution plus revenue), investors can see whether incentives are sustainable and fairly priced for each side.

The seven deadly sins map closely to the core motivators behind consumer behavior.

Paik reframes pride, envy, lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, and wrath as enduring motivators that explain why people use products; successful consumer products (like Twitch or TikTok) typically tap into multiple of these at once on both the creator and consumer sides.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Great founders are incredible at putting themselves in position to surf waves, but I don’t think anybody can make waves themselves.

Chris Paik

Any company that is pure execution risk without any market risk is not a suitable venture investment.

Chris Paik

I don’t think anybody oopses their way into a moat.

Chris Paik

You can’t pay someone else to go to your kid’s soccer games for you.

Chris Paik (on why Pace doesn’t build a portfolio‑services platform)

Show me the incentives, I’ll show you the outcome.

Chris Paik (repeated in context of both firm design and industry structure)

Origins of Chris Paik’s venture career and the creation of Pace CapitalEqual partnership structure, concentrated portfolio, and rejection of VC ‘platform’ value‑addFrameworks: atomic value swaps, seven deadly sins as core motivators, and market timing as surfing wavesFounder vs. market centrality, defensibility, and what truly makes a business ‘venture‑backable’User-generated content platforms, TikTok vs. Instagram, and enfranchising new creator classesSubstack, business‑model–product fit, and critiques of consumer DTC as a venture categorySystemic misalignments in venture: LP–GP incentives, carried interest, and founder–investor conflicts

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