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David Allemann: How I founded On Running; Working with Roger Federer; Brand Marketing Tips | E1021

David Allemann is the Co-Founder and Co-Chairman @ On Running one of the fastest-growing global sports brands with over 17 million products sold in 60+ countries. In 2021, On went public on the NASDAQ and today has a market cap of $8.6BN. However, it all started with three friends in the mountains experimenting with making shoes with pieces of garden hose to create a running shoe with a totally different feel. ------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:59 The Founding Story of On Running 15:52 The Expansion of On Running 27:38 Biggest Lessons in Retail Sales 29:55 The Culture at On Running 31:24 On’s Near Death Experience 34:54 On Running & VC Funding 36:42 Working with Roger Federer 41:34 Lessons on Brand 48:46 Quick-Fire Round -------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with David Allemann We Discuss: 1. From the Swiss Mountains to NASDAQ IPO: What was the initial a-ha moment for David and his co-founders with On Running? How did they make the first shoes? What are some of the biggest lessons for David in V1 product build? What does David know now that he wishes he had known at the start? Is naivete always good? 2. The Launch: First Customers: How did On get their first customers? What can products and companies do to instill true customer love in those first customers? What was the hardest element of launching On to their first customers? How does David analyze and use customer feedback? What does he listen to vs not? 3. Retail: Expanding into Own Store vs Partnerships: What are some of David’s biggest lessons in how to make retail partnerships successful? How can brands create amazing experiences for customers in retailers that are not their own? Why did On decide to also have their own stores? How did this change the business? What have been David’s biggest learnings on what it takes to do retail well with own stores? 4. Roger Federer: Working with a Legend: How did the relationship with Roger begin? Where was the first meeting? What was it like? How did Roger come to invest in On Running? Why did On not want to do the traditional athlete endorsement deal? What role does Roger play in the company today? How does he impact product development? What have been some of the biggest lessons for David from working with Roger? How much of an impact has Roger had on On Running as a business? 5. Financing, IPOs, and Brand: Does David wish they had raised venture capital sooner? If they had more money sooner in their journey, what would David have invested in earlier? Why did they decide to go public when they did? How has the journey been post being a public company? What changes? What is the same? What brand does David most respect and admire? Why? What brand decisions does David most regret? What would he have done differently? -------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow David Allemann on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dallem Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vc_reels Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ------------------------------------------------ #DavidAllemann #OnRunning #HarryStebbings #20vc #brandmarketing #rogerfederer

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May 31, 202354mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:59

    Roger Federer partnership: investor over endorsement

    The conversation opens with how Roger Federer and On came together—and why the relationship was structured as co-ownership rather than a traditional paid sponsorship. David explains On’s preference for community-led growth and how that shaped the deal.

    • Roger approached On wanting to get involved
    • On rejected classic endorsement mechanics as “not On style”
    • Proposal: Federer invests and becomes a co-entrepreneur
    • Federer agreed, setting the tone for a deeper partnership
  2. 0:59 – 1:51

    Rainy-morning prototype that sparked On (2009)

    David recounts the real origin story: a rainy test run where co-founder Olivier unveiled a hacked-together prototype using garden hose segments. That first run created the “this could change running” moment that convinced the team there was something real.

    • Olivier invites David and Caspar to test an unconventional shoe
    • Prototype built by shaving a shoe and gluing cut garden hose pieces underneath
    • Initial skepticism turns into conviction after the test run
    • Early pattern recognition: comparable to suspension bikes and carving skis
  3. 1:51 – 3:14

    Engineering the ‘soft landing, explosive takeoff’ experience

    The founders articulate the core product insight: combining cushioning with the responsiveness of racing flats. David explains how hollow elements compress on landing then create a firm platform for push-off—the basis of what became CloudTec.

    • Problem: cushioned trainers vs harsh racing flats
    • Breakthrough: best-of-both-worlds cushioning + speed
    • Hollow elements compress for cushioning, then provide a flat surface for push-off
    • Distinctive feel: soft, responsive, explosive
  4. 3:14 – 5:18

    From idea to manufacturable shoe: learning factories, tooling, and prototypes

    David describes the messy exploration phase and how the team validated the concept with athletes and retailers while figuring out manufacturing in Asia. The biggest hurdle was convincing factories the complex tooling for holes in the sole was possible.

    • Early validation loop: athletes say the shoe feels “different”
    • David travels to Asia to learn shoe production from scratch
    • Factories initially say molds/tooling are impossible for hollow elements
    • Convincing method: put prototypes on people’s feet to recreate the aha moment
  5. 5:18 – 6:38

    Early momentum: awards, elite validation, and the pressure to deliver

    On quickly wins the ISPO Gold Award and receives surprise endorsement from a marathon champion—signals of product-market fit. But the operational reality hits immediately: retailers demand delivery by season deadlines, forcing the team to scramble to ship the first production run.

    • ISPO Gold Award accelerates credibility
    • Elite athlete validation arrives unexpectedly and powerfully
    • Retailers push for delivery timelines or they won’t order
    • First production batch (~2,000 pairs) becomes a race against time
  6. 6:38 – 10:03

    Bootstrapped hustle: funding constraints and one-by-one retail selling

    The founders commit fully, put their own money in early, and operate with extreme frugality. Caspar and Olivier build distribution the hard way—calling stores, showing up “in town,” and taking retailers on lunch runs to earn early placements and reorder trust.

    • Founders quit secure jobs after a Swiss mountain hike decision
    • Early travel and operations run on tight budgets
    • Retail entry is earned one shop at a time via personal outreach
    • Tactic: get retailers to test-run in their exact size to convert them
  7. 10:03 – 12:07

    Design as DNA: minimalist Swiss aesthetics as a differentiator

    Rather than mimic traditional “performance shoe bling,” On embraces stripped-down, functional Swiss design from day one. The look was initially seen as risky, but the visible outsole technology and minimal upper became signature brand assets.

    • Design baked in early through David and head of design Thilo
    • Hiring a non-shoe product designer to break category conventions
    • Visual technology draws attention on the shoe wall
    • Minimalism initially questioned, later becomes distinctive advantage
  8. 12:07 – 13:45

    Naivety and the eclectic founding team: why it helped

    Harry probes the value of being naïve in a complex category like footwear. David argues their lack of industry baggage, combined with marketing/design backgrounds and Olivier’s athlete intuition, enabled unconventional choices—and may have made them brave enough to start.

    • Founders bring marketing, advertising, design, and athlete biomechanics
    • Eclectic skill mix compensates for lack of footwear industry experience
    • Naivety prevents overestimating obstacles
    • The team’s complementary strengths become a repeatable advantage
  9. 13:45 – 15:52

    Scaling globally: the hockey-stick pattern across markets

    On’s growth required patience: the first 2–3 years in a market are slow, built through community trust and specialty retail. Because Switzerland is small, On committed to being global early—creating repeated ‘takeoff’ moments as each new market reached critical mass.

    • Typical adoption curve: 2–3 years of grind before acceleration
    • Switzerland’s size forces a global mindset from day one
    • Expansion sequence: Europe → US (year two) → Japan (year three)
    • “Hockey stick” repeats market-by-market as scale compounds
  10. 15:52 – 19:33

    Cracking the US: metro focus, influencer seeding, and D2C launch

    David explains On’s US playbook: start in key metros, win local communities, and enlist credible allies rather than self-promote. A major inflection was building D2C early—pairing retail advocacy with a direct digital relationship as mobile and social took off.

    • US entry is essential for a true global sports brand
    • Go city-by-city (e.g., New York, SF, LA, Miami, Portland)
    • Retail partners act as trusted ‘allies’ for credibility
    • D2C begins around 2012; early sales modest but strategically important
  11. 19:33 – 26:17

    From core athletes to mainstream culture—and expanding into apparel

    The brand roots itself in elite performance (e.g., an Ironman world champion winning in prototypes) without fear of seeming too niche. As On crosses into popular culture, the company expands into apparel organically, then confronts new complexities like sizing and merchandising.

    • Athlete seeding leads to podium moments that validate performance
    • Mainstream crossover signal: celebrity wearing On on the Oscars red carpet
    • Apparel begins as a small internal ‘capsule’ to avoid wearing other brands
    • Hard parts: apparel sizing and finding partners who can merchandise full looks
  12. 26:17 – 29:55

    Building On-owned retail: COVID-era launch and experience innovation

    On decides to open its own stores shortly before COVID and ends up launching mid-pandemic—turning it into a learning-focused ‘soft launch.’ The retail concept emphasizes speed-to-try and community connection, notably through the ‘archive’ wall that makes fittings instant and maximizes human interaction.

    • First store concept finalized pre-COVID; launched during COVID
    • Deep partnership with local run communities; store becomes run hub
    • Key insight: reinvent retail to maximize interaction time over transaction time
    • ‘Archive’ system enables rapid try-on by making all sizes instantly accessible
  13. 29:55 – 34:49

    Culture, exploration, and the 2013 near-death supply-chain moment

    David connects On’s innovation choices to its internal culture—especially an ‘explorer spirit’ that encourages teams to question conventions. He shares a near-death moment when a factory shutdown threatened a season’s production, prompting a leadership evolution: bring in experienced operators and expand the partnership model.

    • On’s ‘five spirits’ include an explorer mentality that drives experimentation
    • 2013 crisis: factory shutdown traps materials and jeopardizes next season
    • Extreme workaround saves production, highlighting fragility of early scale
    • Lesson: don’t carry too much alone—hire experienced leaders (co-CEOs)
  14. 34:49 – 36:39

    Funding philosophy: early friends, later VC, and profitable growth

    The company begins with a small circle of hands-on early backers rather than classic venture scale from day one. David describes later interest from tech investors and a first ‘true VC’ entry, while emphasizing On’s balance: grow fast, but build durability and profitability.

    • Early funding from friends in Switzerland—operationally hands-on supporters
    • Tech investors become early believers as product love spreads
    • First notable VC: Stripes (consumer + tech intersection)
    • Strategic stance: fast growth paired with profitability and durability
  15. 36:39 – 41:28

    Working with Roger Federer: product collaboration, awareness, and leadership lessons

    David tells the full Federer story: spotting him wearing On, meeting for dinner, then responding to his challenge to bring CloudTec to tennis. The partnership becomes a major brand-awareness catalyst and a true product collaboration, revealing Federer’s humility and curiosity in the lab.

    • Origin: Federer posts wearing On; mutual contacts arrange dinner in Zurich
    • Challenge: adapt CloudTec to tennis; prototypes lead to the ‘Roger Pro’
    • Deal structure: Federer invests; spends 30–40 days/year in On Labs
    • Impact: major awareness spike; Federer adds second-sport credibility and asks tough questions
  16. 41:28 – 45:30

    What brand means at On: community, ‘Dream On,’ and learning to scale awareness

    David defines brand as a community plus an idea, centered on movement’s effect on the mind as much as the body. He explains On’s mission (‘ignite human spirit through movement’) and reflects that they may have waited too long to invest in broader cultural relevance beyond grassroots.

    • Brand = community + idea, not just marketing
    • Movement elevates mindset; ‘Dream On’ condenses mission and promise
    • Desired feeling: product obsession + spirit-lifting experience in stores
    • Retrospective: start investing in broader awareness earlier while staying grassroots
  17. 45:30 – 54:36

    Brand inspirations, simplicity in product, and quick-fire on ambition and AI

    In closing, David cites Apple as a model for blending technology, design, and human magic—and discusses the challenge of maintaining simplicity as features grow. The quick-fire covers his ‘120% beats 80/20’ philosophy, shifting views on AI’s creative disruption, and On’s five-year vision spanning running, tennis, and full-body apparel.

    • Admiration for Apple’s intersection of tech + design (small ‘magic’ details)
    • Simplicity requires iterative adding, then ‘shaving off’ again
    • Personal philosophy: craftsmanship and perfection can beat efficiency
    • AI may disrupt creative work; future role includes curation/orchestration
    • Five-year view: global brand, strong core running, scaled tennis, expanded apparel

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