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David Clark: Lessons from 32 Years of Fund Investing - Why Exits Will Be Larger | E1131

David Clark is the CIO of Vencap, one of the leading fund of funds in the venture landscape. David has been at Vencap for 32 years and has been an LP his entire career. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (00:23) Introduction to Venture Capital Insights (03:17) Beginning a Career in LP & VC Perspectives (07:07) The Art of Spotting Great Managers in VC (10:10) Adapting to Changes & Evaluating the Illiquidity Premium (13:57) Venture Valuations & Market Dynamics Post-COVID (18:19) Navigating Data Effects & AI in the VC Landscape (23:19) Liquidity in Venture: Strategies and Market Concerns (28:20) Venture Capital on a Global Scale: Europe and Beyond (32:53) Exploring VC Innovations & Strategic Evolution (38:11) The Importance of Management and Succession Planning (45:25) The Economics of VC: Fees, Carries, and Future Returns (51:23) Reflections on Investment Decisions and Mistakes (56:59) Adjusting Deployment Timelines & Performance Metrics (01:04:46) The Future of Venture Returns & Fee Sensitivity (01:09:35) Quick-Fire Round ----------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with David Clark We Discuss: 1. From Unemployed Student in Love to Leading LP: How did a girlfriend lead to David taking his first steps into the world of fund investing? What does David know now about fund investing that he wishes he had known when he started? 2. Is Being an LP Harder than Ever Before: Does David agree with Doug Leone, “venture has transitioned from a boutique high margin business to a low margin commoditised industry”? Does David agree with Ryan Akinna @ MIT, “it is harder than ever to be an LP”? Does David think that venture returns will worsen in the coming years? Has the denominator effect for LPs gone? Do LPs have liquidity today? 3. What Makes the Best Performing Funds: What are the single biggest commonalities in managers that did a 3x net DPI fund? Of managers with a 3x net fund, how many had a single company return the fund? How do the best firms do generational transition? How do the best firms take cash off the table and sell part or all of their position? 4. Five Things LPs Hate In Potential VC Investments: What are the two most common reasons David will turn down a manager? How does David feel about the varying fee and carry levels? How does David feel about the compression of deployment times of funds? How does David feel about managers increasing fund size so significantly on every cycle? 5. Fund Sizes, Exits and Concentrating Returns: Why does David believe exit sizes will increase and fund sizes could be even larger? Why does David think that despite the above, the concentration of returns will be even smaller? Is David concerned by the IPO window being largely shut and the increased regulation on M&A? ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow David Clark on Twitter: https://twitter.com/daveclark85 Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #harrystebbings #20vc #founder #ceo #venturecapital #businessstrategy #davidclark #vencap #cio

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Mar 24, 20241h 20mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Veteran LP Debunks Myths On Fund Size, Power Laws, And Liquidity

  1. LP David Clark of VanCampen (VanCap) reflects on 32 years backing venture funds, emphasizing that venture is a power-law business where a tiny fraction of companies drive industry-wide returns. He challenges the narrative that billion‑dollar funds can’t generate fund‑returning exits, showing data of numerous $1B+ distributions and even a $15B single‑fund outcome. Clark explains VanCap’s highly concentrated, outbound-only, top‑tier manager strategy, their skepticism toward emerging managers, and why they often wait until Fund III to commit. He also discusses liquidity timing, succession in VC firms, fund size, fees, and why venture remains attractive despite mediocre average returns, provided you can access the very best managers.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Venture only works if you access the true top-tier managers.

Clark’s analysis of 1,200 funds (2000–2015 vintages) shows over 50% haven’t returned even 1x capital, only ~6.6% reached 3x DPI, and just ~2.6% hit 5x, underscoring that average venture is a poor trade versus public markets; alpha comes from consistently backing the few managers who capture the 1% of mega‑exits.

Billion-dollar funds can still produce fund-returning investments.

Contrary to industry chatter, VanCap’s internal data show 45 investments that each returned over $1B to a single fund—and were full fund-returners—many from the last 7–8 years, including one $15B outcome, meaning large funds are not inherently incapable of strong multiples.

Compare today’s fund sizes to exit sizes 10–15 years ahead, not today.

Clark argues the right mental model is to match current fund size with likely exit scales when those companies actually mature; as technology’s share of the economy and market sizes grow, he expects future exits to be larger, supporting big funds if they’re in the very best companies.

Rigorous focus and outbound sourcing beat trying to see every manager.

VanCap does almost no inbound; they build a list of top ~1% companies and then work backwards to identify and pursue the early-stage investors behind them, preferring to deepen exposure to proven franchises rather than chase hundreds of emerging managers.

Fund III is often the optimal entry point for an LP.

Clark says they most often commit at Fund III, when there is enough evidence that a manager has found at least one true outlier and begun to build a repeatable franchise, but before the firm becomes totally access-constrained.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Venture is a power law industry, and it’s 1% of the exits that ultimately generate the bulk of the returns created by the entire industry globally.

David Clark

The idea that you can’t get a fund returner from a billion-dollar fund is just untrue.

David Clark

You don’t have to do every great manager out there… you just have to make sure all the managers you do are great.

David Clark

How do you know the process works unless you judge it by the output?

David Clark

If everyone agreed on everything, life would be so dull. And that’s what makes a market.

David Clark

Power-law dynamics in venture capital and the rarity of 3–5x fundsFund size, billion-dollar funds, and the reality of fund-returning exitsLP manager selection strategy, timing (Fund III), and access dynamicsLiquidity, IPO/M&A constraints, and distribution strategiesImpact of macro shifts, incumbents, AI, and new technology paradigmsSuccession, partnership dynamics, and generational transition in VC firmsFees, carry structures, deployment pacing, and growth vs early-stage returns

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