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Ed Sim & Jamin Ball: Did Figma Kill M&A Markets & 3 Requirements to IPO in 2024 | E1101

Notion combines your notes, docs, projects into one space that’s simple and beautifully designed, with the power of AI built right inside — not a separate AI tool or browser tab. Try Notion for free when you go to notion.com/20vc --------------------------------------------- Jamin Ball is a Partner @ Altimeter Capital where he sits on the board of Airbyte, Clickhouse, dbt Labs, Prisma, Tabular. Jamin has also led investments in Deel, MotherDuck, Personio and Starburst. Prior to Altimeter, Jamin spent 5 years at Redpoint where he led investments in Workato, Monte Carlo, Cityblock Health, Root Insurance. Ed Sim is one of the best seed round investors in venture as the Founder and Managing Partner @ Boldstart Ventures, Ed focuses specifically on developer, infra and SaaS at pre-seed and seed round. Over the last decade, Ed has backed some of the best including Snyk, BigID, Kustomer, Front and Superhuman. --------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (3:21) 2024: Year Companies Face Challenges? (11:37) Board's Key Questions for Founders? (15:56) Incentives and Different Perspectives (17:40) Changing Dynamics of Exits (22:05) Challenges of AI Companies (30:42) Role of Founders in Building Successful Companies (31:10) Investor Focus: M&A, IPOs, or Cash Preservation? (33:54) Lessons Learned from Mistakes in Investing (39:11) Mistakes in Forecasting & Exit Multiples (43:39) State of M&A Markets in 2024 (51:17) Outlook for IPOs in 2024 (1:01:52) Saturation of Software Spend & Company Growth (1:04:40) Quick-Fire Round --------------------------------------------- In Today’s M&A and IPO Episode We Discuss: 1. How to Invest Successfully in 2024: What are the three biggest mistakes growth investors can make in 2024? Why should founders not start a platform company? What were Jamin and Ed’s biggest mistakes from the ZIRP era? How does Jamin justify paying an $8BN price for Hopin? What were his lessons? 2. The M&A Markets in 2024: Did Figma kill the M&A markets for 2024? What should we expect in M&A? Why will private companies buying private companies be a massive segment in 2024? What are Ed and Jamin’s biggest tips to founders considering selling their company in 2024? 3. When Will IPOs Come Back: What will be the catalyst to the opening of the IPO markets? Will Stripe and Databricks go public in 2024? What others should we expect? What are the three requirements for a company to go public in 2024? 4. Firesales: Investors Need Cashback: Why does Ed believe now is the time in the cycle where late-stage investors want cash back to distribute back to their LPs or to recycle? What should we expect to see in terms of acqui-hires and firesales? What are the different incentives when comparing founders vs early stage VCs vs late stage VCs when it comes to acquisitions? --------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Jamin Ball on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jaminball Follow Ed Sim on Twitter: https://twitter.com/edsim Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact

Harry StebbingshostEd SimguestJamin Ballguest
Jan 9, 20241h 14mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Venture Reset: Overfunded Startups, Broken M&A, and Tougher IPO Bar

  1. The discussion examines how the 2020–2022 funding boom created an overhang of overvalued, underperforming startups now facing hard choices on M&A, recapitalizations, or eventual shutdowns. Ed Sim and Jamin Ball argue 2024 is when boards must confront reality, regardless of runway, by asking if businesses can ever grow into 2021-era valuations. They explore why large-scale M&A is structurally constrained by regulation, how private-to-private deals and mid-size exits will become more important, and what it will realistically take to IPO in this environment. Throughout, they stress capital discipline, honest board-founder conversations, and why current vintages—despite pain—may be among the best in a decade.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Runway is not the same as having a viable business.

Many companies have 24–36 months of cash but are growing too slowly or are too overvalued to justify continuing as-is; boards must ask if the company can ever grow into its last round valuation, not just whether it can survive.

Hard, early conversations between boards and founders are now mandatory.

Investors should push founders on their energy and conviction, realistic endgame, and whether selling, merging, or even returning capital might create a better outcome than grinding toward an unreachable valuation.

Overpriced 2021 rounds made many cap tables a structural risk.

Huge late-stage rounds built massive preference stacks and 100x ARR entry valuations, making it mathematically difficult for many companies to ever exceed their last private valuation, especially as public multiples normalize around 7–10x revenue.

Large-scale M&A is constrained; mid-size and private-to-private deals will matter more.

Regulatory scrutiny (e.g., Adobe–Figma) makes big tech acquisitions risky and slow, so most activity will be in $100–$500M deals, category tuck-ins (like Palo Alto’s strategy), acqui-hires, and private-to-private mergers to build platforms.

To IPO in this market, companies must be financially fit and realistic on valuation.

Expectations are for ~30%+ growth, cash-flow break-even or close, and trending toward Rule of 40–50; many IPOs will be down-rounds versus 2021 private marks, but going public can reset cap tables and create currency for hiring and M&A.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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This shit is really fucking hard, and it takes a long time, so you gotta be patient.

Ed Sim

Companies who raised those big mega rounds are pretty much all in this overvalued and underperforming bucket.

Jamin Ball

Just because you have 24 or 36 months of cash doesn’t mean that you have a business.

Ed Sim

Don’t make the cap table a risk to your business.

Jamin Ball

The firms that are making capital calls in 2024…this is gonna be a fucking incredible vintage five years from now.

Ed Sim

Impact of 2020–2022 mega-rounds and overvaluation on today’s startupsBoard and founder decision-making: when to keep going vs. sell or return capitalCurrent and future state of M&A: antitrust pressure, mid-size exits, and acqui-hiresRequirements and trade-offs for IPOs in 2024 and beyondAI funding dynamics and the risks of 2021-style valuations reappearingFund and LP dynamics: recycling capital, bridge rounds, and picking vintagesOptimism about new company creation, AI, data infrastructure, and Israeli founders

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