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Elon’s Empire: SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink After the Storm & Anduril’s $2.6BN Power Move

Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. ---------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:06 Circle’s IPO: Investors Just Left $BNs on the Table 10:14 Should Stripe and Databricks Finally Go Public? 15:54 US Stock Markets: How They DOMINATE the Global Game 20:33 50% of Unicorns Are DOOMED. What Happens Now? 25:04 Founders Fund Just Dropped $1B on Anduril. Why?! 30:25 What Would Rory Do If LPs Let You Go Wild? 37:42 What Missing Out on Millions for Docusign Taught Rory 48:27 The Shocking Data Behind the SaaS Slowdown 53:26 AI vs. SaaS: The Great Budget War Begins 01:03:29 SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink: Elon’s Empire After the Firestorm 01:11:16 Kalshi Quick-Fire Round ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: https://twitter.com/jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: https://twitter.com/rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #elonmusk #trump #ai #saas #stripe #foundersfund #circle

Rory O’DriscollguestHarry StebbingshostJason Lemkinguest
Jun 12, 20251h 22mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Circle’s blockbuster IPO and the immediate “money left on the table” debate

    The group reacts to Circle as the strongest IPO since 2020 and unpacks why enthusiasm flipped so fast from “the window is shut” to “we underpriced it.” They focus on how unusually painful underpricing is when a large portion of the offering is secondary shares sold by existing holders.

  2. Why IPO bookbuilding is structurally frustrating (and the imperfect alternatives)

    Rory explains the mechanics and incentives that make IPO allocation and pricing feel rigged, especially the information asymmetry between issuers and bankers. They review why alternatives like SPACs, direct listings, and auctions haven’t become default solutions.

  3. Will strong IPO performance pull out the juggernauts (Stripe, Databricks, Figma)?

    They argue the IPO window is effectively always open for truly massive, elite companies—but those companies may not want public scrutiny yet. Figma’s situation is treated as more “normal,” with a renewed push toward an IPO after the failed Adobe acquisition.

  4. US markets vs the rest: why listings migrate to America (Wise, Deliveroo, LSE)

    Rory makes a macro case for US capital markets dominance and why internationally oriented tech companies increasingly prefer US listings. They discuss liquidity realities and the lack of analyst/institutional support for smaller tech listings outside the US.

  5. Should smaller companies be public—and what happens to private-market liquidity?

    They debate whether $2–$5B companies should be public given thin trading, concluding public markets still offer better liquidity than private markets for most stakeholders. Employee equity liquidity and the fragility of secondary markets become central concerns.

  6. The unicorn shakeout: failures, zombies, mergers, and the limited path to IPO

    Jason and Rory discuss the size of the unicorn population and the likely distribution of outcomes. The center of the distribution is framed as companies that remain valuable but never reach IPO scale, requiring M&A, PE, or combinations to create liquidity.

  7. Anduril’s $2.6B round: Founders Fund’s $1B bet and the logic of extreme concentration

    They dissect why Founders Fund’s massive check into Anduril fits a decades-long thesis around national security and concentrated conviction. Rory contrasts it with his firm’s lower concentration limits and explains how late-stage reality can force bigger, fewer bets.

  8. If LPs ‘let you go wild’: strategy discipline vs doing everything

    They explore the hypothetical of unconstrained mandates, with Rory emphasizing focus and execution over aperture expansion. Jason proposes a ‘follow-on to $1B’ approach in winners, while Rory stresses the scarcity of true compounding opportunities and portfolio distortions.

  9. Lessons from DocuSign and ‘winner hindsight’: TAM honesty, not just optimism

    They reflect on the temptation to conclude ‘we should have invested more in winners’ and why that’s not actionable without considering similarly promising losers. The conversation emphasizes TAM realism and the difficulty of forecasting ultimate public-market valuation from early signals.

  10. The SaaS slowdown data: maturity, saturation, and the ‘AI vs SaaS budget war’

    They interpret evidence that SaaS spend growth is slowing again, and argue this is a natural consequence of market maturity after decades of cloud adoption. AI simultaneously competes for attention and budgets, potentially reshaping how CIOs prioritize projects.

  11. Does AI expand TAM by replacing labor—or compress pricing? Contact center as the test case

    Jason challenges the assumption that labor replacement automatically translates into larger software ACV, citing contact-center examples where headcount drops but spend doesn’t scale proportionally. Rory argues the opportunity depends on capturing a meaningful fraction of labor savings and may be stronger in enterprise deployments than SMB.

  12. Elon’s empire after the storm: SpaceX/Starlink resilience vs Tesla sensitivity

    They assess Elon-linked companies purely from a business risk lens, arguing the recent political/media episode created avoidable turbulence. Rory contends SpaceX/Starlink’s market power makes them resilient even with hostile customers, while Tesla is more exposed to consumer sentiment and policy shifts.

  13. Kalshi quick-fire: Pichai, NYT vs OpenAI, and X leadership questions

    In rapid predictions, they discuss leadership stability at Google, the likely trajectory of the NYT-OpenAI dispute, and whether X’s CEO may depart. The segment blends governance instincts with uncertainty about courts, settlements, and the economics of content licensing.

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