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Eventbrite Sold for $500M, Databricks $5B Raise at $134B Valuation & Why SaaS is Like Japan

Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:01 Thrive and OpenAI Partnership 04:07 Databricks Raising $5BN at $134BN Valuation: Cheap or Not? 20:41 Eventbrite Acquired by Bending Spoons for $500M 23:02 Pagerduty's $1BN Market Cap, Just 2x Revenue 26:37 The TAM Trap: Why SaaS Is Like Japan 38:13 Lessons from Companies Hitting $100M ARR 42:43 The Future of Labour Markets is F****** 49:27 The Importance of Compounding in Investments 56:26 The Relevance Game in Venture Capital 01:08:05 Supabase at $5BN or Lovable at $6BN: Which One? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://x.com/harrystebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: https://x.com/jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: https://x.com/rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #ai #thrive #lovable #openai #eventbrite #TAM #pagerduty

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

SaaS valuations, TAM traps, AI pricing shifts, and venture relevance battles

  1. Thrive’s OpenAI partnership is framed as more about VC power-law focus—going deeper with a winner—than a strategically pivotal move for OpenAI.
  2. Databricks’ rumored $5B raise at a $134B valuation is evaluated against public comps like Snowflake, with the key question being how much multiple premium sustained higher growth (and re-acceleration) deserves.
  3. Eventbrite’s $500M sale and PagerDuty’s low multiple highlight how slower-growth public SaaS becomes vulnerable to acquisition pressure and how many companies are stuck in a “TAM Trap.”
  4. AI/agents are reshaping data access, security expectations, and platform control, potentially favoring incumbents that can enforce tighter security and data residency rules.
  5. The panel argues the industry is moving away from seat-based pricing as AI raises productivity, while venture investing becomes a “relevance game” driven by fast validation cycles, follow-on momentum, and defensibility.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

VC outcomes (and time allocation) are even more power-law than returns.

The Thrive/OpenAI discussion emphasizes that a few winners dominate outcomes, so firms rationally spend disproportionate energy and structure (e.g., holding-company approaches) around their best assets.

Databricks’ premium hinges on whether high growth persists—and whether it re-accelerates at scale.

They compare Snowflake (~20x sales, slower growth) to Databricks (~32x) and argue even a few years of sustained extra growth can justify a big multiple; re-acceleration makes standard deceleration models break.

Slow-growth public SaaS is increasingly “buyable,” often under fiduciary pressure.

Eventbrite’s 50% premium sale illustrates that when growth stalls and the stock languishes, boards struggle to reject credible premiums unless they can defend a superior standalone plan.

Many SaaS companies didn’t “fail strategy”—they hit market saturation and adjacency crowding.

Rory argues the TAM Trap is structural: SaaS proliferation filled core and adjacent categories, leaving limited room for second acts once penetration is high (Zoom as the canonical example).

Security and platform control may become the incumbents’ strongest anti-disruption lever in the agent era.

Examples like Salesforce cutting off Drift and Gainsight are used to argue that as agents move sensitive data everywhere, large platforms may lock down ecosystems—both to reduce risk and to privilege their own agent offerings.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Overpayment only works when the TAM is huge.

Rory O’Driscoll

SaaS has become like Japan.

Jason Lemkin

It's a great economy, but, but if everyone only has .9 kids, like, I mean, there's only, only so many seats to go around.

Jason Lemkin

I think the majority of the public SaaS companies- I think are in a, in a TAM trap. A TAM trap.

Jason Lemkin

One of the big-picture things I think that's always true in investing is whenever you see a product that only really rich people have—If you can find a way to get that in the hands of the rest of us, we all want it too.

Rory O’Driscoll

Thrive–OpenAI partnership and VC power-law dynamicsDatabricks vs Snowflake valuation and growth premium mathEventbrite acquisition and public-company vulnerabilityPagerDuty stagnation and “add AI to reignite growth” thesisThe TAM Trap and SaaS “like Japan” analogyAgents + enterprise data architecture (Snowflake/Databricks/CRM)Security clampdowns and platform access riskSeat-based pricing decline; shift to usage/value-based pricingARR per employee, capital efficiency, and hiring compressionIncumbent cloning speed (Google vs Replit/Lovable)Venture “relevance game” vs long-term compounding betsSupabase vs Lovable: infrastructure defensibility vs app upside

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