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Frank Quattrone: Lessons from 650 M&A Deals Worth Over $1TRN & Taking Amazon and Cisco Public| E1121

Frank Quattrone is the Founder and Executive Chairman of Qatalyst and served as its CEO from the Firm’s founding until January 2016. Over more than four decades, Frank and the teams he has led have advised on more than 600 mergers and acquisitions with an aggregate transaction value over $1 trillion and on more than 350 financings that raised over $65 billion for technology companies worldwide. Frank led the IPOs of Amazon.com, Cisco, Intuit, Netscape, among many others. He advised Apple on its $400 MM acquisition of NeXT (which led to Steve Jobs’ return to Apple); Concur on its $8.3B sale to SAP; LinkedIn on its $28.1B sale to Microsoft; Qualtrics on its $8B sale to SAP and Twitch on its $1B sale to Amazon.com. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (00:56) Meeting Steve Jobs (10:37) Dot-com Bubble & Technology Pervasiveness (17:48) Has Regulation Killed M&A? (19:26) Impact of Rising Interest Rates on M&A (25:59) Role of Investment Bankers in M&A (33:19) Competitive Deals & Driving the Highest Price (36:01) Common Reasons for Deal Failures (37:47) Challenges in the M&A Process (41:17) Buyer Sentiment in the Current Market (44:00) Future of M&A in a High-Rate Environment (45:44) Influence of Trump on M&A (46:56) Changes in Deal-Making Strategies (48:39) Selling to Private Equity vs. Other Strategics (50:21) Quick-Fire Round ----------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with Frank Quattrone We Discuss: 1. Has Regulation Killed M&A: Why does Frank disagree that regulation has killed M&A? What is the real reason why M&A is so down at present? What would impact would a Trump administration have on the M&A environment? What are some of Frank’s biggest lessons from 600 prior transactions over dour decades of what happens when an M&A market shuts down? 2. When Will the IPO Window Re-Open: Does Frank agree that the IPO window is currently closed for tech companies? How does this IPO window compare to the dot com bust and 2007? What is needed for the IPO window to re-open? What is the timeline that Frank puts on the IPO window opening again? 3. M&A: How Do Companies Get Bought: What is the process for a company to be bought? What are the single biggest mistakes the seller makes in the process? What do the best buyers and sellers do to get the best price? Does Frank agree with the notion that “companies are bought and not sold”? 4. IPOing Amazing, Selling Linkedin and Qualtrics: What is the story behind, Frank, Bill Gurley, Jeff Bezos and John Doerr pricing the Amazon IPO? How did Linkedin come to be bought by Microsoft? What did that process look like? How did Frank structure an event to ensure that Ryan @ Qualtrics and Bill McDermot @ SAP would meet and lead to the acquisition? ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Frank Quattrone on Twitter: https://twitter.com/FrankQuattrone Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #venturecapital #podcast #business #frankquattrone #qatalyst #stevejobs #apple #trump #privateequity #technology #microsoft #amazon

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Feb 29, 20241h 8mWatch on YouTube ↗

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Frank Quattrone Dissects Tech Bubbles, M&A Cycles, and AI’s Future Impact

Frank Quattrone recounts his journey from blue‑collar Philadelphia to building Morgan Stanley’s leading tech practice, taking companies like Apple, Netscape, Amazon, Cisco, and later LinkedIn public or through major M&A. He explains how interest rates, investor psychology, and regulatory scrutiny have shaped multiple tech booms and busts—from PCs to dot‑com, cloud, COVID, and today’s AI wave. The conversation dives deep into how M&A really works: why most deals die, what drives price, how to create a market for a company, and the changing role of private equity versus strategics. Quattrone closes by outlining how his firm, Qatalyst, stays relevant by constantly re‑segmenting tech around new paradigms like cloud, mobile, and now generative AI.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

M&A freezes more from valuation gaps and uncertainty than regulation alone.

Quattrone argues that steep market drops and rising rates make sellers cling to old peak valuations while buyers become shell‑shocked, stalling deals even when regulatory clearance is possible.

Interest rate regimes fundamentally reshape tech valuations and deal activity.

Zero‑interest environments justify extreme revenue multiples and fuel sponsor‑backed deals; moving from 0% to 5% rapidly reprices risk, shrinks leverage, and temporarily freezes both IPOs and M&A.

Most tech companies exit via M&A, so they should actively prepare for it.

Only ~10% of companies go public today; Quattrone says private firms should invest in “M&A hygiene”—board composition, narrative clarity, and proactive relationship‑building with likely buyers—just as they prep for an IPO.

Creating demand for a company can be as important as responding to inbound offers.

Using Qualtrics–SAP as an example, he shows how reframing the company (from ‘survey software’ to ‘experience management’) and deliberately educating potential acquirers can unlock strategic bids that didn’t previously exist.

Price and cultural fit are the two main reasons deals die.

Quattrone estimates roughly 90% of initiated deals fail, usually because sellers’ optimism on value clashes with buyers’ precedent concerns, or because leaders realize late that they cannot work together post‑merger.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you ever get a chance to get in on the ground floor of something new, you should really jump at it.

— Frank Quattrone (quoting his father)

Ninety percent of companies get liquidity through mergers. Only about ten percent go public.

— Frank Quattrone

This was the most serious case of FOMO you have ever seen in your life.

— Frank Quattrone, on dot‑com‑era internet IPOs

You’ve just taken the biggest naked short in the history of software by announcing you’re going to win experience management, and you have no way of fulfilling that.

— Frank Quattrone, to SAP’s Bill McDermott before the Qualtrics deal

Artificial intelligence needed its killer app, and it didn’t have one for 50 or 60 years. All of a sudden, we have generative AI.

— Frank Quattrone

Frank Quattrone’s early career, Apple/Steve Jobs encounter, and move to Silicon ValleyBuilding Morgan Stanley’s tech franchise and leading iconic IPOs (Apple, Netscape, Amazon, Cisco)Tech booms and busts: PC era, dot‑com bubble, ZIRP, COVID, and valuation cyclesCurrent M&A environment: interest rates, regulation, private equity vs. strategic buyersHow tech M&A deals are sourced, negotiated, and why ~90% failCase studies: Qualtrics–SAP, LinkedIn–Microsoft, failed Microsoft–Intuit, Amazon IPO pricingQatalyst’s strategy and the disruptive impact of AI and generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT)

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