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Jason Lemkin: Every VC has a FRAUD in their portfolio; The IPO market is about to EXPLODE | E1046

Jason Lemkin is the Founder @ SaaStr one of the best-performing early-stage venture funds focused on SaaS. In the past, Jason has led investments in Algolia, Pipedrive, Salesloft, TalkDesk, and RevenueCat to name a few. Prior to SaaStr, Jason was an entrepreneur, selling EchoSign to Adobe for $100M where it is now a $250M ARR product. -------------------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (0:38) Jason’s First 5 Investments (9:00) Why Valuations Don’t Matter / The State of the Seed Market Today (26:56) The Great Unbundling (31:09) The State of Series A Today (35:36) Founders Don’t Respect VCs Anymore (39:33) Jason’s Superpower as a VC (44:16) Jason’s Biggest Mistake as a VC (47:25) When will Series A rebound? (50:02) Why Jason Stopped Helping Other VCs Do DIlligence (52:38) Every VC Has a FRUAD in Their Portfolio (56:24) The State of Growth Stage Today (1:10:26) Quick-Fire Round -------------------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with Jason Lemkin We Discuss: 1. WTF is Happening At Seed Right Now: Why does Jason believe seed is more active than ever? Is the pricing of seed rounds impacted since the downturn? Why does Jason believe it is not only not the end of party rounds but just the beginning of them? Why does Jason believe you cannot fail if you have $1M in ARR and an amazing founder? Why does Jason believe that seed investors cannot participate in “hot seed rounds” anymore? 2. Is Series A a Dead Zone: How does Jason analyze the Series A and B environment today? What has changed in what investors expect and want to see in potential Series A and B investments? What happens to the many companies who raised preemptive Series A's and have 10 years of runway but no product-market fit? Why does Jason believe founders should offer to give the money back when it is not working? What happens to the Series A and B market in the next 18 months? When does it come back? 3. Growth: People are Too Negative! Why does Jason believe that growth is more active than many are giving credit for? What are the ARR benchmarks required to get a good growth round term sheet today? Why does Jason believe that VC DD is a load of BS? Why does Jason believe that every VC has fraud in their portfolio? Will they come out? 4. Ring That Bell: IPOs and M&A: Why does Jason believe 2024 will be an amazing year for IPOs? Why does much of the IPO market rely on Stripe and Databricks? What is needed for an amazing 2024 IPO market? How does Jason evaluate the M&A market in 2024? Will regulation get in the way? 5. Jason Lemkin: AMA: Why does Jason Lemkin believe this generation of workers will never work hard again? What is the only way for seed funds to make money investing in serial entrepreneurs? What does Jason know now that he wishes he had known when he started investing? ------------------------------------------------------ Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jasonlk Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vc_reels Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ------------------------------------------- #JasonLemkin #SaaStr #HarryStebbings #20vc #venturecapital

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Jason Lemkin Predicts IPO Surge, Slams Seed Hype and VC Complacency

  1. Jason Lemkin reflects on his early VC career, arguing new investors should deploy quickly into their strongest networks while also accepting they are apprentices inside someone else’s fund. He explains why true seed remains overheated and fragmented, while Series A/B are in a painful correction and late‑stage growth is cautiously reopening around disciplined 15x ARR valuations.
  2. He urges founders to be realistic about valuations, warning that many hot seeds are now structurally uninvestable for classic seed funds and that founders with 10+ years of runway and no product‑market fit should even consider offering capital back to investors. Lemkin also contends that every major VC has at least one fraud, because most due diligence is confirmatory rather than truly skeptical.
  3. On market structure, he expects a strong IPO window in the back half of 2024 driven by large, high‑quality SaaS and AI companies, though not at 2021 bubble multiples. He is increasingly skeptical of the current tech workforce’s work ethic, arguing that low effort expectations post‑2021 make true high performers unusually valuable but rare.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

New VCs should lean into their early ‘hot hand’ instead of waiting a year.

Conventional advice to avoid doing deals in year one protects the fund more than the new partner; if you have a strong network or brand, you should aggressively back the founders and markets you deeply understand, then learn portfolio construction and ownership discipline from more experienced colleagues.

Define a narrow investment sweet spot and valuation playbook to manage risk.

Lemkin only backed founders better than him, in markets he intuitively understood, at stages where revenue signals existed (e.g., $100k vs ~$1m ARR) and with clear ownership targets; this clarity naturally determines check size, acceptable valuation bands, and reduces stress and downside.

Seed is oversupplied and splintered; insiders can raise party rounds without leads.

Operator angels and multi‑stage funds have flooded seed with capital, especially for well‑connected ‘insider’ founders, making party‑style rounds with 20–30 small checks common again despite the narrative that conviction‑led rounds are back; traditional seed funds often can’t compete on price or speed here.

Series A and B are the real bottleneck as expectations and reality diverge.

Founders still expect fast, ‘hot’ As within 12–18 months at high step‑ups, while A/B investors want disciplined valuations, efficiency, and real traction; companies that miss the window will either fail, reset expectations and burn, or eventually raise from patient investors who wait for post‑hype acceleration.

Growth is back but capped: strong SaaS names see ~15x ARR and heavy secondary interest.

For efficient companies at $30–60m+ ARR, growth funds are actively offering term sheets around 10–15x ARR and aggressively buying early‑investor secondary stakes when founders won’t raise primaries—cleaning up cap tables at valuations the companies themselves find premature or unnecessary.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you have a hot hand or a great network, go do those deals. You only live once.

Jason Lemkin

Seed investors can’t participate in hot startups anymore. You can’t make money in seed investing in hot seed rounds.

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Every VC has a fraud in their portfolio. The truth is they only do confirmatory due diligence.

Jason Lemkin

Founders today don’t respect venture capital anymore. They have no respect for money.

Jason Lemkin

2024 will be rich with IPOs. It will be a good year with solid multiples—not 2021, but solid.

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How new VCs should start investing and find their “deal type”Seed market dynamics: party rounds, operator angels, and mega‑fund seed activityValuation discipline, ownership targets, and fund size constraintsThe broken Series A/B market and founder expectations post‑2021Growth-stage investing, secondaries, and 15x ARR valuation ceilingsLP behavior, mega‑fund economics, and the changing fundraising environmentFraud, sloppy diligence, and shifting founder ethics toward investor capitalWork ethic in tech, remote work culture, and implications for startup hiringOutlook for the IPO market and why 2024 could see a major reopening

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