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Martin Escobari: How to Invest During a Recession; Negotiation Tips; Developing Markets | 20VC #948

Martín Escobari is Co-President, Managing Director and Head of General Atlantic’s business in Latin America. Martín is Chairman of the firm’s Investment Committee and also serves on the Management and Portfolio Committees. Before joining General Atlantic in 2012, Martín was a Managing Director at Advent International. Prior to that, he was Co-Founder and CFO of Submarino.com, a leading Brazilian online retailer that went public and was sold to Lojas Americanas in 2006. Martin started his career as a management consultant at The Boston Consulting Group. Thanks to Seba Kanovich @ dlocal for the introduction today. ------------------------------------ Timestamps: 0:00 Who is Martin Escobari? 3:19 What are you running from/towards? 4:25 Were your parents proud of what you accomplished? 5:23 Did you feel imposter syndrome at Harvard? 6:53 Biggest Lessons from Submarino 9:32 The Balance between Founder, Market, and Business Model 13:03 How to Prevent Biases from Impacting Future Decisions 14:16 How did you know the economic downturn was coming? 17:04 Why Investing is More Fun during a Downturn 18:10 How did GA avoid the hype and FOMO of 2021? 19:27 Advice for Young Investors Seeing their First Downturn 22:08 What were the internal discussions when Softbank and Tiger were buying up everything? 25:13 When Being Outspent by the Competitors Matters 26:45 Lessons in Pricing 28:08 Lessons in Negotiation 30:21 How does GA make decisions? 34:30 Creating an Environment where Young Investors Feel Safe to Speak Up 36:24 Thesis-driven Investing 38:12 Has Martin ever lost money? 38:29 Have you ever lost confidence in yourself as an investor? 38:59 Are you worried about the exodus of capital from developing markets? 40:12 Has your investing changed over time? 41:41 How to Retain a Youthful Mind 42:35 How do you stay driven after you become wealthy? 43:28 Tips for Raising Kids When You’re Wealthy 46:38 Martin’s Favourite Book 47:44 Best Investment Advice Martin Ever Received 47:57 Most Common Investing Mistake 48:45 Advice You Often Give but Struggle to Follow Yourself 49:00 What makes a great board? ------------------------------------ In Today’s Episode with Martín Escobari: 1.) From Bolivia to Harvard to Leading General Atlantic: How did Martin make his way into the world of venture from a small town in Bolivia? How did being an operator going through a bust impact how Martin invests and works with founders? How does Martin advise young members on his team about surviving through a bust? 2.) Market Matters: Founders, Product or Market: Why does Martin believe the single most important element when investing is the market you are entering? How does Martin assess both market size and market growth? What does Martin believe makes a “beautiful business model”? What is the difference between good vs great? Why have we seen a generation of bad business models? How did Martin’s analysis of Nubank’s market lead him to turn them down? How did Martin change his approach to investing on the back of turning down Nubank? 3.) The Venture Landscape: What made Martin believe there was a downturn last year? What three signs always suggest we are in a bubble? As a result, how did General Atlantic retain their discipline when others did not? Where did they lose their discipline and invest at the top of the market? How does Martin analyse the performance of the crossover funds in the last 24 months? Who did well? Who did not? Do they remain in the market? Is Martin concerned by the exodus of capital out of South America with the bust? 4.) Martin Escobari: The Investor and Board Member: How has Martin’s style of investing changed over the last decade? How does Martin reflect on his own price sensitivity? Does Martin engage in outcome scenario planning? What has been Martin’s biggest hit? How did it change his mindset? How would Martin analyze his own style of board membership? How does Martin advise young board members gaining their first boards? ------------------------------------ Subscribe to the Podcast: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/kyle-harrison/ Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Martin Escobari on Twitter: https://twitter.com/EscobariMartin Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vc_reels Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok ------------------------------------ #MartinEscobari #GeneralAtlantic #HarryStebbings #20vc #venturecapital #bolivia #nubank #investing

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Investor Martin Escobari Explains Surviving Downturns, Fair Deals, Global Ambition

  1. Martin Escobari, Co‑President of General Atlantic, traces his journey from a small Bolivian town to leading a global growth equity firm, emphasizing how opportunity and education transformed his life. He explains GA’s data‑driven view that market size, business defensibility, and team quality equally drive outlier outcomes, with market size statistically most decisive. Drawing on past bubbles, he details how GA stayed disciplined through the 2020–2021 frenzy, built guardrails against FOMO, and ensured portfolio companies were fully funded heading into the downturn. He also shares his philosophy on negotiation, decision‑making, keeping a youthful mind, and supporting emerging‑market founders who want to build truly global companies.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Prioritize large markets, defensible models, and strong teams—don’t trade one off.

GA’s 43 years of data show that size of market, business defensibility, and team capability are the three most statistically significant drivers of entering the top 10% of outcomes, with market size slightly more important because you can’t outgrow a small market.

Use past cycles to build structural guardrails against FOMO and over‑deployment.

After getting hurt in 2000, GA decided never to spend a fund faster than ~3 years and to push companies to fully funded plans; this kept them from overpaying in 2021 and ensured 97% of portfolio companies now have enough runway to play offense in the downturn.

Recognize bubble signals: everyone getting rich, new made‑up metrics, and ultra‑fast deals.

Escobari flags three late‑cycle indicators: even weak players making easy money, classic valuation methods being abandoned in favor of contrived metrics, and deal timelines collapsing to days or weeks—signals to emphasize liquidity and discipline, not acceleration.

Negotiate for a fair price, not a win‑lose outcome, and be willing to walk away.

He backs into valuation from a target ~25% IRR over five years using realistic exit multiples, starts at that fair price, and avoids protracted haggling; having abundant deal flow and respecting his own time makes it easier to say no when alignment isn’t there.

In downturns, survival is the primary goal—“just don’t die.”

Escobari’s Submarino story shows that breaking even, shrinking geography, and enduring humiliation (like a buyer walking away) can still lead to massive outcomes once markets recover; companies must stay alive long enough for the cycle to turn.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

A starry-eyed dreaming boy is claustrophobic in a world of limited opportunities.

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The heroes of the entrepreneurial journey are the managers, not the investors. We are the supply lines.

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You will never outgrow your market.

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The wheel of fortune always turns. It’s never sunny always and it’s never rainy always. You just have to be alive for the next sunny time.

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Think of yourself as a vessel, not a kettle. Money is energy passing through you.

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Martin Escobari’s personal journey and entry into venture/growth investingLessons from founding and operating Submarino during the dot‑com bubbleHow General Atlantic invests: market, moats, team, and decision processNavigating bubbles and downturns; building guardrails against pro‑cyclicalityNegotiation philosophy and pricing discipline in late‑stage growth dealsBiases, thematic investing, and maintaining sound judgment over decadesEmerging markets, capital “tourists,” and building global companies from LATAM

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