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Meta Takes on OpenAI | Apple Sues OpenAI | SK Hynix’s $26BN IPO

Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:13 - Apple vs OpenAI: The Lawsuit That Could Change AI 08:00 - Is OpenAI's Hardware Dream Already Dead? 11:03 - Zuckerberg Returns to X to Take on OpenAI 16:57 - The AI Pricing War Is Just Beginning 19:17 - AI Is Burning Through Token Budgets 23:49 - Will AI Replace Designers and Figma? 30:50 - The Hidden Cost of AI for Every Business 36:35 - The $26.5 Billion AI Chip IPO Explained 41:22 - Has Venture Capital Changed Forever? 47:50 - Why the AI Secondary Market Is Booming 58:09 - Why AI Startups Are Worth Billions So Quickly 01:05:41 - Can Big Tech Keep Spending at This Pace? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Plaud at https://plaud.ai/20VC and use code "20VC" for 10% off. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://x.com/harrystebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: https://x.com/jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: https://x.com/rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- Legal Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial or investment advice. Any discussion of stocks, public markets, or investment strategies reflects the personal opinions of the speakers and should not be relied upon when making investment decisions. Figures, valuations, and financial data referenced may be estimates or subject to error. Always consult a qualified financial adviser before making any investment decision. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers and do not represent the views of 20VC or its affiliates. ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #openai #apple #zuckerberg #ai #meta

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Jul 16, 20261h 26mWatch on YouTube ↗

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July 16, 2026
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1h 26m
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The Twenty Minute VC
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Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 02:13 - Apple vs OpenAI: The Lawsuit That Could Change AI 08:00 - Is OpenAI's Hardware Dream Already Dead? 11:03 - Zuckerberg Returns to X to Take on OpenAI 16:57 - The AI Pricing War Is Just Beginning 19:17 - AI Is Burning Through Token Budgets 23:49 - Will AI Replace Designers and Figma? 30:50 - The Hidden Cost of AI for Every Business 36:35 - The $26.5 Billion AI Chip IPO Explained 41:22 - Has Venture Capital Changed Forever? 47:50 - Why the AI Secondary Market Is Booming 58:09 - Why AI Startups Are Worth Billions So Quickly 01:05:41 - Can Big Tech Keep Spending at This Pace? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Plaud at https://plaud.ai/20VC and use code "20VC" for 10% off. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://x.com/harrystebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: https://x.com/jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: https://x.com/rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- Legal Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial or investment advice. Any discussion of stocks, public markets, or investment strategies reflects the personal opinions of the speakers and should not be relied upon when making investment decisions. Figures, valuations, and financial data referenced may be estimates or subject to error. Always consult a qualified financial adviser before making any investment decision. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers and do not represent the views of 20VC or its affiliates. ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #openai #apple #zuckerberg #ai #meta

SPEAKERS

  • Rory O’Driscoll

    guest

    Venture capitalist (partner at Scale Venture Partners) focused on software and enterprise investing.

  • Jason Lemkin

    guest

    Founder of SaaStr and venture investor known for SaaS and startup scaling expertise.

  • Harry Stebbings

    host

    Founder and host of 20VC, interviewing leading founders and investors in tech and venture capital.

EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of The Twenty Minute VC, featuring Rory O’Driscoll and Jason Lemkin, Meta Takes on OpenAI | Apple Sues OpenAI | SK Hynix’s $26BN IPO explores aI trade secrets, pricing wars, compute IPOs, and VC market shifts Apple’s trade-secret lawsuit against OpenAI highlights how hiring for domain expertise can cross into risky “show-and-tell” theft, potentially triggering discovery that could damage OpenAI’s hardware ambitions.

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