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Michael Burry Shorts NVIDIA and Palantir & Has Defensibility Died in a World of AI?

Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:06 Sequoia's Leadership Transition 07:31 Michael Burry's Big Short on Nvidia and Palantir 14:38 Gamma Raises $100M at a $2BN Valuation 28:39 Does Defensibility Exist Today When Copying is Easy 40:09 Should All Funds Be Way More Diversified 50:02 How to Run a Fundraising Process & What Not To Do 01:00:47 Datadog Surges 20% and Duolingo Crashes: What Happened ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://x.com/harrystebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: https://x.com/jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: https://x.com/rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #sequoia #ai #vc #michaelbury #bigshort #palantir #gamma

Jason LemkinguestRory O’DriscollguestHarry Stebbingshost
Nov 13, 20251h 17mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:03

    AI tools that actually feel like teammates (and why early traction is less defensible now)

    The conversation opens with a blunt view of modern AI: the real value comes when AI is embedded in the workflow like a true teammate, not a bolt-on feature. They also set the tone for the episode’s recurring theme: AI-driven speed makes early growth spikes easier to copy and therefore less defensible.

    • AI impact is biggest when it functions as part of the team, not just a tool
    • Selling into AI builders can create powerful “ride the wave” growth
    • Early-month growth explosions are less meaningful because cloning is faster
    • The pace of AI evolution makes prior knowledge go stale quickly
  2. 1:03 – 7:31

    Sequoia’s leadership transition: pressure, AI perception, and why partnerships get messy

    They unpack Sequoia’s leadership change and what it signals about competitive pressure—especially around missed AI deals. The discussion expands into the structural challenges of large partnership firms: incentives, performance attribution, and how leadership becomes “manager of managers.”

    • Leadership change interpreted as dissatisfaction or urgency to improve in AI
    • Large firms can become manager-of-managers organizations, creating distance from outcomes
    • Partnership economics make tying performance to compensation difficult
    • Argument over whether Sequoia’s move reflects ruthless evolution or internal dysfunction
  3. 7:31 – 13:18

    Michael Burry’s $1.1B short on NVIDIA & Palantir: the brutal math of puts

    Rory walks through what it actually means to short via options, using concrete numbers to show how narrow the timing window is and how easy it is to lose everything. They emphasize that being “right” directionally isn’t enough—you must be right on timing, and that’s what makes this trade so hard.

    • Puts require not just correctness but precise timing to profit
    • Short-dated options can yield big multiples but often go to zero
    • Long-dated puts are expensive and require larger declines to double
    • Options are a zero-sum arena where amateurs are at a disadvantage
  4. 13:18 – 16:18

    Is AI CapEx a bubble if revenue is already showing up?

    Harry challenges the bearish narrative by pointing to major AI revenue projections (OpenAI, Anthropic) and real demand constraints (e.g., data centers). They agree the present data supports strong demand; the debate shifts from ‘is it real?’ to ‘how much are we over-extrapolating?’

    • AI revenue is material and forecasts are being revised upward in near years
    • Demand constraints (infrastructure buildout) indicate pull is real
    • The real question is magnitude of spend (e.g., $80B vs $40B), not existence of demand
    • Bear cases increasingly rely on slower-than-expected growth rather than no growth
  5. 16:18 – 18:35

    Gamma raises $100M at ~$2.1B: why “AI PowerPoint” undersells the product

    Jason explains Gamma’s value through a concrete workflow: generating personalized sponsor collateral by pulling CRM/marketing data and tailoring ROI narratives. This reframes Gamma as a TAM-expansion story—companies paying meaningfully for something that used to be ‘free’ (slides) because it now does real work.

    • Gamma used to create dynamic, account-specific sales collateral in minutes
    • Integrations (Salesforce, marketing automation) make outputs personalized and high ROI
    • Paid spend on “slides” becomes rational because output is materially better than free tools
    • At high growth, a ~20x revenue valuation can look reasonable relative to historical comps
  6. 18:35 – 25:00

    The shift from copilots to agents: when AI crosses the line into ‘part of the team’

    Jason argues that 2024’s copilots were mostly shallow productivity boosts, while the new wave of agents is becoming autonomous enough to own real tasks. He shares examples from Replit and their internal culture of treating AI systems like named teammates, highlighting how this could unlock major revenue expansion.

    • Replit agent described as autonomous with memory/context, enabling ongoing collaboration
    • AI becomes ‘teammate’ when it can execute high-value tasks with light oversight
    • Internal workflows increasingly assign AI systems ownership of repeated operational work
    • Thesis: 2025 was ‘AI works’; 2026 becomes ‘AI as part of your team’
  7. 25:00 – 28:39

    Defensibility in the AI era: clones arrive in days, not years

    They explore how AI accelerates competitive replication, compressing the time startups have before incumbents or fast followers ship credible clones. This raises existential questions for seed investing and pushes the debate toward what kinds of moats still form—and when.

    • Clone quality and speed are rising dramatically; multiple clones can appear within 30 days
    • Incumbents can ship ‘good enough’ competing features faster than the old 2–3 year cycle
    • Early traction is less predictive because fast followers can match features quickly
    • Moats may still emerge later, but the ‘stable plane’ arrives later and remains fragile
  8. 28:39 – 31:55

    Where moats still form: distribution, sophistication, data, and vertical focus

    The group debates whether horizontal winners like Cursor can still pull away, or whether vertical specialization (and data) is more defensible. They converge on a more nuanced view: defensibility often emerges at scale through distribution and product depth, not at seed.

    • Vertical products can improve with domain feedback loops (e.g., patent workflows)
    • Data can be defensible, but only if it’s proprietary or uniquely leveraged
    • Horizontal leaders can still build strong brands and distribution, creating pull-away dynamics
    • Defensibility is increasingly an outcome of execution at scale, not a starting condition
  9. 31:55 – 41:28

    Valuation vs risk: are we overpaying when we ‘know the winner’ later?

    They challenge the assumption that by Series B the winner is clear, using examples from code-gen and vibe-coding to show how adjacency threats (big tech, platforms) expand the competitive set. The discussion frames later rounds as risk-reduced operationally, but often repriced so investors may not be compensated for remaining risk.

    • Series B can narrow the field among startups, but adjacency threats keep odds wide
    • Operational risk decreases with traction, but valuations often expand to absorb that gain
    • The key late-stage question becomes TAM sufficiency for a multi-billion valuation
    • Debate: probabilities may improve (1-in-10 to 1-in-3), but the market may still be ‘1-in-10’ when incumbents are included
  10. 41:28 – 50:02

    Should funds diversify more now? Check sizes, ownership, and the real math of seed portfolios

    They move from theory to fund construction: if risk rises, does the number of bets need to increase? Jason focuses on the arithmetic of check size, reserves, and how large a seed fund must be to maintain diversification—while Harry argues bigger outcomes can justify smaller ownership.

    • Rising variance pushes toward more bets, but larger portfolios demand massive sourcing volume
    • Check size and reserves dictate minimum viable fund size for a strategy (e.g., $500M seed)
    • Debate: larger outcome sizes may allow smaller ownership and smaller initial checks
    • Strategy must match investor temperament and operational capacity (meeting volume)
  11. 50:02 – 1:00:47

    How to run fundraising (and what not to do): process, pre-wiring, and avoiding ‘accidental processes’

    They give practical fundraising guidance: the best processes don’t feel like processes because relationships are built in advance and investors are ready when the round opens. Rory warns against sharing information serially with a single investor (an ‘accidental process’) and stresses either share broadly or not at all.

    • Founders should pre-wire investors with updates so commitment is fast when raising begins
    • Avoid ‘accidental processes’ where you drip data to one investor who isn’t ready to commit
    • A clean process is about synchronized timing, not chaotic outreach and ad hoc diligence
    • In today’s market, only top-decile companies can reliably pull off FOMO-driven rounds
  12. 1:00:47 – 1:12:27

    Datadog surges and Duolingo crashes: the market rewards AI budget attachment and real displacement

    They interpret Datadog’s jump as a clear ‘attach to AI spend’ story: sell essential infrastructure to AI builders and you ride their growth. Duolingo’s decline is framed as the opposite—using AI to improve a product isn’t enough; markets increasingly demand either direct AI budget exposure, human replacement, or aggressive incumbent displacement.

    • Datadog benefited from being compute-adjacent and selling into hyperscalers/AI builders
    • Public markets give less credit for ‘AI sprinkled on’—that’s now table stakes
    • Three growth paths: attach to compute budgets, replace humans, or displace incumbents’ revenue
    • Education/software budget realities: without replacement or displacement, growth is discounted
  13. 1:12:27 – 1:17:10

    Closing: venture outliers, ownership at IPO, and the capital efficiency lesson (Hummingbird & Billion to One)

    They end by highlighting standout venture performance (Hummingbird’s position in Billion to One) and what it implies about capital efficiency, follow-on strategy, and ownership. The takeaway is that elite performance can come from high MOIC in smaller funds, accepting dilution, and backing businesses that don’t need to raise excessively.

    • Maintaining meaningful ownership into IPO is increasingly difficult without large follow-on capacity
    • Capital-efficient companies amplify investor returns even with smaller funds and checks
    • Trade-off: optimize for ownership (large funds) vs optimize for MOIC (small funds)
    • LP reality: the best product for a marginal dollar can be high-MOIC, smaller-fund exposure

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