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The Twenty Minute VCNicholas Chirls: Why Big VCs Ruin Startups, VC is a Ponzi Scheme Today & Most VCs are Bankers |E1198
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Nicholas Chirls Explains How Mega VCs Distort Startups And Incentives
- Nicholas Chirls, founder of Asylum and previously Notation, argues that large venture firms now behave like banks, prioritizing fund size, fee streams, and rapid capital deployment over true company-building and returns. He describes venture’s current incentive structure as a "Ponzi-like" system where management fees and TVPI-driven behavior distort decision-making for both VCs and LPs. Chirls contrasts this with a small, artisanal, thesis-driven model: backing obsessed founders early in markets no one cares about yet, staying lean, and aligning tightly with founders on trust, ownership, and exit decisions. He also explores misalignments between founders and VCs, questions the real value of VC “platform” services, and calls for more honesty about risk, capital intensity, and who should actually be founding companies.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasBig VCs are optimized for deployment, not outcomes.
Large multi-stage firms behave like banks: junior partners are rewarded for how fast they deploy capital, not the quality of returns, making capital-hungry companies (e.g., foundation models, defense tech) their ideal products regardless of true efficiency.
The fee-and-carry model creates Ponzi-like incentives in venture.
Standard 2% management fees over 10 years guarantee GPs ~20% of fund size in fees, even if they never return capital; when LPs and some fund-of-funds are also compensated on paper TVPI, there’s little pressure to mark down or confront permanent loss of capital.
Durable alpha comes from backing things no one cares about yet.
Chirls’ biggest wins (e.g., Bison Trails, Solana) came from small pre-seed bets in spaces that looked tiny or weird at the time; once a theme is hot and entry prices are 25–30 post, most investors are just playing expensive, consensus momentum games.
Trust beats structure: legal terms rarely save bad relationships.
In real-world outcomes like acquihires, founders and acquirers can route value around investors via retention packages; Chirls argues that preferred vs. common and heavy protective terms rarely matter as much as whether you picked founders who will communicate honestly and try to do right by you.
Most VC "value-add" is overstated; services don’t decide outcomes.
Chirls has never seen BD or recruiting platforms be the difference between success and failure; the true value a VC can provide is as a deeply trusted, long-term partner helping founders navigate critical strategic and financial decisions, not as a services vendor.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesYour junior partner at these big firms is sort of like a VP at Goldman. They are compensated and promoted based on money velocity, not money returns.
— Nicholas Chirls
The venture Ponzi is you raise a fund, you take 2% management fees for 10 years guaranteed… you don’t have to make a single dollar and you’ve taken 20% of that fund and put it in your pocket.
— Nicholas Chirls
The only way I’ve ever made money is to invest in something that no one cares about yet.
— Nicholas Chirls
I’ve never found that any VC was truly the difference between success and failure of a company.
— Nicholas Chirls
Building a startup is truly awful. It will ruin your life in various different ways… the only people who should do it are the ones who absolutely need to.
— Nicholas Chirls
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