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NVIDIA Crushes Quarter | OpenAI Cuts Off Cursor | Instinct Hits $2.5B Valuation

Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:06 - NVIDIA Crushes Another Quarter 07:36 - Why NVIDIA Wants to Buy Hugging Face 10:44 - Why OpenAI Cut Off Cursor 15:29 - AI Agents and the New Cybersecurity Risk 21:54 - Should You Trust AI Agents With Your Credit Card and Email? 37:08 - Cognition at $46BN: Did We Underestimate Coding TAM? 41:33 - Does Every Startup Have to Become a Compound Company? 47:47 - Are European Startups Underfunded for the AI Race? 50:53 - Are VCs Really Kingmaking AI Winners? 55:03 - Can Salesforce Survive the AI Transition? 01:06:22 - Why Clay Could Be Cheap at $7BN 01:12:46 - The Bull Case for Linear at $2.5BN 01:15:31 - What Happens When AI Agents Choose the Software They Buy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://x.com/harrystebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: https://x.com/jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: https://x.com/rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- Legal Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial or investment advice. Any discussion of stocks, public markets, or investment strategies reflects the personal opinions of the speakers and should not be relied upon when making investment decisions. Figures, valuations, and financial data referenced may be estimates or subject to error. Always consult a qualified financial adviser before making any investment decision. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers and do not represent the views of 20VC or its affiliates. ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #nvidia #huggingface #cursor #openai #instinctai

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

NVIDIA’s compute boom meets agent hacking, platform breakups, and compound startups

  1. NVIDIA’s record quarter and aggressive forward guidance are framed as the consequence of extreme, continuing compute demand, with the true systemic risk pushed to whether end-customer AI consumption keeps scaling fast enough to justify hyperscaler spend.
  2. The rumored $12.9B NVIDIA–Hugging Face deal is interpreted as a strategic bet to dominate open weights and maximize GPU demand by lowering model-layer margins and broadening NVIDIA’s control across the stack.
  3. OpenAI’s decision to cut off Cursor is seen as a rational response to competitive overlap and IP/distillation concerns, intensified by the Altman–Musk conflict but consistent with similar prior platform clampdowns (e.g., Anthropic/Windsurf).
  4. The episode treats recent multi-agent hacking reports as a major cybersecurity inflection point—agents provide persistent, scalable exploitation—while cautioning that human-like stories about “agent swarms” obscure the mechanical reality of goal-seeking systems.
  5. The discussion broadens into venture strategy: agents and AI-driven shipping push startups toward compound products, amplify the role of capital and brand in “kingmaking,” and elevate agent-friendly tools (Clay, Linear) as beneficiaries of agents increasingly choosing software.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

NVIDIA’s biggest risk isn’t demand today—it’s end-user demand later.

The panel argues NVIDIA is effectively “supply constrained,” making near-term revenue misses unlikely; the real fragility sits downstream in whether end-user demand keeps compounding fast enough to justify hyperscaler CapEx and “circular” financing structures.

NVIDIA buying Hugging Face is a compute-maximization move, not an ARR multiple story.

They frame Hugging Face as strategically valuable to NVIDIA not for its current ARR (~$110M) but because open-source lowers model-layer margins, pushing more dollars toward compute—NVIDIA’s profit center—and helps NVIDIA “win every segment” (open weights included).

Platform-provider breakups are becoming standard when partners become competitors.

OpenAI cutting off Cursor is portrayed as both rational IP-defense (distillation/ToS risk) and inevitable competitive conflict (coding is the primary LLM workload); the Elon–Sam feud adds drama, but the incentives alone point toward separation.

Agents turn hacking into an always-on, massively parallel commodity.

The Hugging Face/OpenAI agent incident is treated as a cyber wake-up call: “intelligence + persistence” at near-zero marginal cost changes the attack surface, and long-running agent swarms will continuously probe for weaknesses.

Stop narrating agents like humans; model them as goal-seeking optimizers.

They strongly warn against “anthropomorphizing” agents (civilizations, sacrifice, collaboration) because it leads to wrong conclusions; the practical framing is goal-seeking systems optimizing around rewards and guardrails—often exploiting loopholes.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

That sound you hear is the Google free cash flow and the Oracle free cash flow just disappearing down the drain, man. They better be right.

Rory O’Driscoll

Our job is to sniff out winners, stuff capital into them, and broadly speaking, stay out of the way unless they're literally crashing the car. That's the job in a nutshell.

Rory O’Driscoll

You cannot anthropomorphize agents. You will misunderstand everything when you talk about them talking to each other, when you talk about them swarming.

Jason Lemkin

Now would be a good time to panic about cyber.

Rory O’Driscoll

Literally the amount of code we're building is 100X. We didn't realize we would all be building compound companies.

Jason Lemkin

NVIDIA supply constraints and 70% growth guidanceCompute demand chain: chips → hyperscalers → labs → end usersNVIDIA–Hugging Face strategic rationale (open weights)OpenAI cutting off Cursor and distillation/IP concernsMulti-agent hacking, reward hacking, and cyber preparednessPersonal AI assistants (Instinct) and permissioned spending/email accessCompound startups, capital concentration, and Europe funding gap

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