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OpenAI Kills Sora & Hits $100M ARR on Ads | Oura Going Public & Whoop Raises at $10BN

Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:19 The "Claude Mythos" Leak: 10 Trillion Parameters 08:40 OpenAI Kills "Sora": A Massive Strategic Own Goal? 12:33 OpenAI Hits $100M in Ads: Why OpenAI Must Make Ads Work 17:58 Masa Son's $40BN Bridge Loan: Investing More Into OpenAI 20:52 Cybersecurity Stocks Tank: Is the Anthropic Panic Justified? 22:57 The Golden Age of Cyber: Why AI Agents are a "Golden Goose" for Security 28:15 Gross vs. Net: The Truth Behind AI Revenue Accounting 31:08 The "Vibe Coding" Era: Reselling Tokens and Triple-Counting ARR 42:20 Oura Going Public & Whoop Raises $500M at $10BN Valuation 52:27 Epic Games Layoffs: The Reality of the Attention Economy 56:19 The Manus Scandal: Founders Trapped in China After Meta Deal 01:02:31 The Billionaire Tax: Why the Golden Geese are Leaving California 01:08:20 Do VCs Actually Add Value? The Ron Conway vs. Matthew Prince Spat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: https://x.com/harrystebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: https://x.com/jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: https://x.com/rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- Legal Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and does not constitute financial or investment advice. Any discussion of stocks, public markets, or investment strategies reflects the personal opinions of the speakers and should not be relied upon when making investment decisions. Figures, valuations, and financial data referenced may be estimates or subject to error. Always consult a qualified financial adviser before making any investment decision. The views expressed are those of the individual speakers and do not represent the views of 20VC or its affiliates. ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #openai #anthropic #sora #softbank #ai #oura

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

AI model leaks, OpenAI pivots, and markets debate revenue reality

  1. Anthropic’s accidental “Claude Mythos” leak is treated as both an operational embarrassment and a signal that more leaks will occur as agentic development accelerates and humans (or agents) ship faster with weaker security hygiene.
  2. The panel argues OpenAI’s decision to kill Sora reflects compute scarcity and a strategic retreat from expensive, low-monetization consumer video generation toward higher-ROI products like coding and ads.
  3. OpenAI’s early ad revenues (~$100M run-rate discussed) are framed as existential for a mass consumer business, with the view that meaningful success must be measured in tens of billions annually to justify scale valuations.
  4. A sharp selloff in cybersecurity stocks after the Anthropic news is characterized as largely knee-jerk, with the panel claiming AI agents should expand the threat surface and create a “golden age” of security demand rather than compress it.
  5. They debate how AI companies and “vibe coding” startups report ARR, highlighting gross vs. net reporting, token “reselling” and double/triple counting, and headline-driven tranche rounds that can mislead on true price and traction.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Agentic speed will amplify security mistakes, not eliminate them.

As development shifts to “ship constantly” and AI agents place code, configure infra, and publish assets, the same classes of errors (misconfigurations, exposed repos/DBs, staged assets accidentally published) occur at far higher velocity—making leaks more frequent even if per-action error rates fall.

Killing Sora is a compute-allocation decision as much as a product one.

Video generation is portrayed as extremely compute-intensive with low near-term revenue, so in a scarcity regime leadership reallocates compute toward higher-paying use cases (coding, enterprise, monetizable consumer surfaces), even if it publicly reverses a prior strategic narrative.

OpenAI’s consumer business likely needs ads at “Google/Facebook scale” to matter.

With consumer conversion rates discussed around ~5%, subscriptions alone may cap out; the panel’s view is that $100M is noise and OpenAI must prove it can build an ad engine that reaches tens of billions annually to justify consumer-side valuation expectations.

Market panic hit cyber stocks for the wrong reasons—agents should increase security spend.

They argue many sold-off names (e.g., identity/authentication or perimeter defenses) don’t directly overlap with LLM-based code scanning, and that broader agent adoption (root access, autonomous actions) expands the attack surface and drives more tooling, budgets, and M&A in security.

AI revenue optics are getting distorted by accounting choices and token “middlemen.”

Differences like gross vs. net reporting through cloud partners can inflate comparability, and when platforms resell underlying model tokens, the same economic activity can appear as ARR multiple times across the stack until profitability/Gross Margin discipline forces clearer accounting.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We may be at the stage where we throw the humans under the bus, not the AI anymore, which I think at some level is pretty terrifying

Rory O’Driscoll

You're seeing the economists, the accountants have wandered into the room and they said, "We have a scarce resource here. Let's optimize it. Let's devote this compute to the people who can pay the most for it"

Rory O’Driscoll

I think it's saying that the ent- a big part of the whole strategic direction of the company was flawed.

Jason Lemkin

In my, in my experience and opinion, this is one where it's just back ass backwards. Um, because if you're in the agentic world, this is the golden age of security.

Jason Lemkin

You should conform your company around your customers and your model, not your VCs.

Rory O’Driscoll

Claude Mythos leak and agentic-era security failures10T-parameter model claims and cybersecurity positioningOpenAI kills Sora and compute allocation economicsChatGPT ads as consumer monetization strategySoftBank/Masa Son leverage to buy more OpenAICybersecurity stock reaction and “golden age” thesisARR accounting: gross vs net, token reselling, free-trial recognitionTranche rounds and valuation optics vs fundamentalsOura IPO rumors and Whoop’s $10B raiseEpic layoffs and the attention economyManus/Meta deal and China exit risk for foundersBillionaire tax mobility and California revenue riskDo VCs add value? Conway vs Prince dust-up

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