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Peter Wagner is a Founding Partner of Wing. Peter has led investments in dozens of early-stage companies including Snowflake, Gong, Pinecone, and many others which have gone on to complete IPO’s or successful acquisitions. Prior to founding Wing, Peter spent an incredible 14 years at Accel, starting as an associate in 1996 and scaling to Managing Partner, before leaving to start Wing. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (00:19) Intro & VC Entry (03:11) Fear, Greed & AI (06:06) Relationships & Assets (09:38) VC Landscape & Accel (14:21) Stress & Patterns (21:21) Market Innovation & Timing (26:57) Opportunities & Cynicism (32:28) Investment & Risks (40:39) Ownership & Cycles (49:53) Liquidity & Investor Insight (53:20) Quick-Fire Round ----------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with Peter Wagner We Discuss: 1. From Associate to Managing Partner to Founding Partner: How did Peter first make his way into the world of venture as an associate at Accel? How important does Peter believe it is to have early hits in your career as an investor? What is the biggest mistake Peter sees young VCs make today? 2. The Venture Market: What Happens Now: Does Peter agree with Roger Ehrenberg that venture returns will worsen moving forward? How does Peter answer the question of how large asset management venture firms co-exist in a world of boutique seed players also? Does Peter agree with Doug Leone that “venture has transitioned from a high-margin boutique business to a low-margin, commoditized industry? 3. Investing Lessons from 27 Years and Countless IPOs: What have been some of Peter’s single biggest investing lessons from 27 years in venture? Why is Peter so skeptical of capital-intensive businesses? Will defense and climate startups suffer the same fate as clean tech did in the 2000s? How does Peter reflect on his own relationship to price? When does it matter? When does it not? What have been Peter’s biggest lessons on when to sell positions vs when to hold? What has been Peter’s biggest miss? How did it impact his mindset? 4. Building a Firm from Nothing: How was the fundraise process when leaving the Accel machine and raising with Wing? What have been the single hardest elements of building Wing? What did he not expect? What advice does Peter have for someone wanting to start their firm today? ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Peter Wagner on Twitter: https://twitter.com/peter_wagner Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #venturecapital #startup #founder #PeterWagner #Wing #business #ceo #podcast

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Mar 5, 20241h 3mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Veteran VC Peter Wagner On Discipline, Founders, And Venture Cycles

  1. Peter Wagner, co‑founder of Wing and longtime Accel partner, reflects on 27 years in venture capital, from accidentally entering the industry in 1996 to backing companies like Snowflake, Gong, and Pinecone.
  2. He contrasts focused, returns‑driven early‑stage investing with large AUM ‘aircraft carrier’ firms, emphasizing price discipline, capital efficiency, and staying within sectors you deeply understand.
  3. Wagner dives into founder selection (pissed‑off domain insiders with glaring problem insight), the dangers of over- or under-learning from past cycles, and how to approach AI, category creation, and market timing without being swept up in hype.
  4. He also discusses building and developing investors, the tension between ownership and dilution, how ZIRP excess distorted behavior, and why he believes venture remains structurally attractive despite growing commoditization and capital inflows.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Differentiate between asset gathering and returns-focused venture models.

Large ‘aircraft carrier’ firms optimize for deploying vast AUM and achieving “good enough” returns, while focused boutiques like Wing constrain fund size, avoid capital-intensive bets, and optimize multiple on invested capital rather than dollars deployed.

Back deeply informed, ‘pissed off’ domain insiders in B2B.

Wagner’s best founders (e.g., Snowflake’s Benoit and Thierry) combine world‑class domain expertise with frustration at glaring deficiencies in current solutions, giving them both unique insight and personal drive to build transformational products.

Use pattern recognition, but don’t be its prisoner.

Patterns are helpful, but the real pattern in breakout companies is often the anomaly—teams, markets, or structures that don’t fit standard templates but are uniquely suited to a specific opportunity.

Aim for a tight wedge into a truly large market.

Early-stage startups should have a narrowly defined ICP and clear pain (the wedge), but that wedge must naturally expand into a very large market; relying on multi-step ‘we’ll later add X and Y’ roadmaps is usually too risky.

Avoid venture models that rely on extreme capital intensity.

Telecom, clean tech, defense, and some climate/energy plays can be good businesses but often require high-yield debt, government money, or miracle financings; they typically don’t fit classic venture economics that depend on moderate capital and outsized IP-driven upside.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

You wanna learn from the past, but you don’t wanna overlearn from the past.

— Peter Wagner

Anytime you meet an investor that talks about the amount of capital they deploy per year, you know you’re talking to an asset gatherer.

— Peter Wagner

The anomaly is the pattern sometimes.

— Peter Wagner

Some businesses might be good businesses but really aren’t venture‑appropriate.

— Peter Wagner

Hunger is important for everybody.

— Peter Wagner

Career journey: joining Accel in 1996 and evolving into WingDiscipline vs herd behavior across venture cycles (dot‑com, ZIRP, AI)Asset gatherers vs returns‑driven boutiques and AUM-driven behaviorFounder selection, pattern recognition, and category creation in B2BMarket timing, market sizing, and capital intensity in venture modelsPrice and ownership: early-stage valuation, dilution, and fund mathTalent development in VC firms and the role of focus and specialization

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