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Roger Ehrenberg: Why VC Returns Will Get Worse & Why LP Incentive Structures are so Broken | E1117

Roger Ehrenberg is a legend of the venture industry as the Founder of IA Ventures, among the most successful seed-stage venture firms of this generation, having seeded companies including Datadog (NASDAQ: DDOG), Digital Ocean (NYSE: DOCN), The Trade Desk (NASDAQ: TTD) and Wise (LSE: WISE.L). Today Roger is the Founder and Managing Partner of Eberg Capital, a pioneer in bridging the gap among sports franchises, sports betting, media and entertainment. Roger’s current sports investments include stakes in the Miami Marlins, Real Salt Lake, Alpine Racing, Betr, Commonwealth, Kero Sports, Simplebet, SlamBall, Smarkets and WagerWire. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (00:00:00) Intro (00:00:55) Seismic Shift from Banking to Venture (00:03:01) Easy Money in Venture (00:04:38) VC as a Commodified Asset Class (00:06:56) Future of VC Fees (00:08:28) Rise of Sovereign Wealth Funds in VC (00:11:00) Role of Performance in VC Fees (00:14:11) Broken Incentive Structure in LPs (00:16:16) Future of LP Structures (00:18:18) Incentive Programs for Endowments (00:21:08) Lack of Liquidity in VC (00:23:36) Knowing When to Get Out in VC (00:26:23) Creating Liquidity through Continuation Funds (00:29:50) Pricing Challenge in Continuation Funds (00:31:39) Valuing Books in VC (00:33:39) Strategy for Continuation Funds (00:36:20) Timing of IPOs in VC (00:37:37) Challenge of Secondary Liquidity (00:39:18) Decision to Distribute or Hold IPO Positions (00:43:00) Impact of IPOs on Fund Reputation (00:51:38) Rich Investors as Better Investors (00:53:59) Challenges in VC (00:57:38) Success & Hard Work in VC (00:59:54) Needle-Moving Moments with Wealth (01:04:16) Raising Kids in a World of Wealth (01:09:46) Lessons in Parenthood (01:10:35) Sustaining a Successful Marriage (01:13:47) Quick-Fire Round ----------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with Roger Ehrenberg We Discuss: 1. The Commoditisation of Venture and Worsening Returns: Why does Roger disagree with Doug Leone that “we have moved from a boutique high margin business to a commoditised low margin industry”? Why does Roger believe we will see consistently worsening returns in venture? Is this influx of LP capital cyclical or is it here to stay? 2. The New LPs and The Broken Existing LP World: Why does Roger think the existing incentive structure for LPs is totally broken? Who are the most important new LPs entering the venture market? How do sovereigns and pension funds entering venture change the industry? Which players have capitalised on this new LP class best? 3. Where Does the Liquidity Come From: With the closed IPO window and lack of M&A, where will liquidity come from in the next 24 months? Would a Trump administration open M&A markets? Does Roger agree M&A markets are shut down? When does Roger believe IPO markets will open again? Will Databricks and Stripe go out in 2024? If Roger were to run a continuity fund strategy, how would he structure it? What would he do? 4. When to Sell and When to Hold: How does Roger advise managers on when to sell vs when to hold? How important is it for a new firm to have a company go public in the first five years? What are Roger’s biggest lessons from selling The Trade Desk at a $2.5BN valuation? How does Roger think about managers thinking they should manage the public book of their portfolio for their LPs? What are the pros and cons? 5. Relationship to Money: Do rich investors make better investors? How does investing when you have a lot of cash already change your mindset around investing and exiting? How does Roger analyse his relationship to money today? What have been the single biggest needle movers in his wealth journey? How did it feel when he made a $6M bonus? 6. The Secrets to Parenthood and Marriage: What does it mean to be a great father for Roger? How does Roger think about bringing his children up with the same level of hunger and ambition, despite being brought up with such wealth? What are Roger’s two biggest lessons on the secret to a great marriage? ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Roger Ehrenberg on Twitter: https://twitter.com/infoarbitrage Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #venturecapital #RogerEhrenberg #aiventure

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Roger Ehrenberg Dissects Broken LP Incentives And Shrinking VC Returns

  1. Roger Ehrenberg argues that while venture capital is awash in capital and mid-to-late stage is becoming commoditized, true early-stage, artisanal VC will remain differentiated and hard to scale. He believes traditional LP incentive structures are fundamentally broken, with many LPs prioritizing career risk and brand over net returns, but sees sovereign wealth funds and large family offices as a corrective force demanding fairer fees and real DPI. Liquidity will remain constrained, with continuation funds emerging as a key bridge for GPs and LPs stuck in illiquid but high-quality portfolios. Beyond market structure, he discusses portfolio liquidity decisions, investor psychology, wealth, raising children in financial abundance, and the ingredients of a long-term marriage and career motivation.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Early-stage venture will stay artisanal while mid/late stage commoditizes.

Ehrenberg rejects the idea that all VC is commoditized; he sees mega-firms evolving into multi-stage asset managers, while true incubation, pre-seed, and seed remain boutique, hands-on, and structurally hard to scale.

Traditional LP incentive structures are misaligned and enable mediocrity.

Many endowment and pension LPs optimize for brand safety and career risk (being in Sequoia/Andreessen) rather than net DPI, allowing underperforming managers to raise successive billion-dollar funds and collect high fees without real distributions.

New LP classes will pressure mid/late-stage fees and returns.

Sovereign wealth funds and large family offices, focused on after-fee performance, are reshaping the LP base; Ehrenberg expects a hedge-fund-like equilibrium where differentiated, smaller, long-dated managers command premium fees while large, later-stage platforms face fee compression.

Continuation funds will be a major liquidity valve in a frozen market.

With IPO and M&A windows largely shut, he expects more managers to use continuation vehicles to crystallize value, let impatient LPs exit, and bring in new capital at today’s valuations, especially for high-quality portfolios caught in bad timing.

Venture still belongs in portfolios, but sizing and expectations must adjust.

For perpetual or very long-term investors, a 5–7% allocation to top managers can add meaningful convexity, even if industry returns compress; the key is accepting illiquidity, focusing on manager selection, and targeting a clear premium (e.g., 500–700 bps) over liquid alternatives.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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Venture is never gonna be commoditized. Maybe mid and late stage will stop looking and feeling like venture and feel more like institutional asset management, but incubation, pre-seed and seed will always occupy a different place.

Roger Ehrenberg

Traditional LP structures are completely broken. LPs have been enablers of too many venture firms being created and of venerable Silicon Valley firms raising Fund 12, 13, 14 when they haven’t even returned capital from Fund 4.

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The ability to withstand short-term pain for long-term gain is a superpower. Being able to let a thesis play out, even if it’s unpopular, can lead to amazing compound returns.

Roger Ehrenberg

I’m not a regretful person. As long as you’re thoughtful and analyze the context and trade-offs, it kind of is what it is. Life is not in your control.

Roger Ehrenberg

You should never have the mindset of winning or losing versus your spouse. It’s not about winning. Words matter, and sometimes the best thing you can do is just not say that thing you’re dying to say.

Roger Ehrenberg

Structural changes in venture capital and barbell dynamics (boutique vs. mega-platforms)LP incentive misalignment, fee structures, and the rise of sovereigns/family officesLiquidity challenges: IPO/M&A droughts, continuation funds, and recyclingPerformance, risk-adjusted return expectations, and the future of VC returnsDecision-making around secondary sales, DPI vs. paper gains, and public holdingsInvestor psychology, partnership dynamics, and career motivation post-wealthPersonal themes: relationship to money, parenting in abundance, and sustaining a marriage

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