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Sam Altman's Masterplan or a Gift to Anthropic? Palantir & Shopify Crush Earnings

Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. ----------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 00:54 Was GPT-5 the Biggest AI Letdown Yet? 16:12 Should Perplexity Really Try to Buy Chrome for $34.5B? 27:35 The $3B N8N Deal: Genius Bet or Bubble FOMO? 39:06 Why Datadog’s Best Quarter Ever Still Tanked the Stock 45:30 Palantir’s 50% Growth at Scale – Can It Last? Is Palantir Overpriced? 01:01:33 Shopify’s Ruthless Path to 91% Revenue Growth With 30% Fewer Staff 01:14:19 Are Seed and Series A Valuations Now at Dangerous Highs? 01:20:29 Can a Single Founder Build a Unicorn? 01:28:46 Kalshi Quick-Fire Round ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: / harrystebbings Follow Jason Lemkin on X: / jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: / rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: / 20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: / 20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #chatgpt5 #palantir #datadog #shopify #perplexity

Rory O’DriscollguestJason LemkinguestHarry Stebbingshost
Aug 14, 20251h 34mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. GPT-5 reaction: underwhelming launch, stronger business utility

    The group opens on GPT-5 and agrees the launch felt underwhelming to many users, especially in the demo and positioning. They argue the real story is practical: incremental product improvement, better business workflows, and competitive pressure on rivals rather than a dramatic leap toward AGI.

  2. Sam Altman’s intent: marketing mastery vs. “ship it” execution reality

    Jason frames the thud as potentially deliberate and strategically timed, while Rory pushes back that OpenAI has often stumbled into success (e.g., ChatGPT launch). They converge on a founder reality: shipping deadlines, organizational pressure, and fundraising timing can force releases before “nirvana.”

  3. Competitive shockwaves: pricing pressure and a potential ‘gift’ to Anthropic—or not

    They argue the key competitive implication is OpenAI targeting Anthropic’s coding/token revenue with cheaper tokens and “good enough” quality. While Harry suggests Anthropic might laugh in the short term, Rory stresses that a bigger competitor entering with lower pricing is never truly good news.

  4. OpenAI at ~$500B: confidence without AGI & ‘AI as subscription Google’ thesis

    Rory explains why he feels more confident post-GPT-5: OpenAI is transitioning from dream-selling to running a durable consumer business. They discuss how a mass-market subscription product (and potential ad tier) could justify enormous value even without AGI breakthroughs.

  5. Perplexity buying Chrome for $34.5B: distribution as the real prize

    The panel unpacks why Chrome is strategically valuable despite weak standalone monetization. The browser becomes a gateway to search/AI defaults and subscription conversion, which is why Perplexity (and others) would crave it—even if the deal is unlikely given litigation and competing bidders.

  6. Marketing arms race in AI: visibility as a competitive requirement

    They broaden the Chrome discussion into a meta-point: AI companies must market constantly to stay in the “top two” mindshare. They contrast highly visible leaders with quieter labs that risk being labeled losers regardless of model quality.

  7. Europe’s $3B n8n round: workflow automation meets AI acceleration

    They dissect the n8n deal, noting how attaching workflow automation to AI massively increases perceived value: from deterministic automation to “doing the work.” They discuss category noise (RPA/low-code/process tooling) and why founder execution speed determines who captures the upside.

  8. Growth funds, brand bets, and liquidity windows: DPI vs holding winners

    The conversation moves into venture mechanics: “YOLO” brand allocations, early DPI, and the reality that returns often come in brief hyperliquidity windows. They debate when ‘doing it for brand’ becomes a slippery slope versus a strategic tool for relationships and fundraising.

  9. Datadog’s great quarter, stock down: why public markets feel ‘unknowable’

    Rory argues that predicting stock reactions is often futile outside obvious beats/misses because markets price against expectations of expectations. Jason adds that Datadog benefits indirectly from AI spend (e.g., OpenAI as a huge customer) but that creates concentration and renegotiation risk narratives.

  10. Palantir’s re-acceleration: 12% to ~45% growth at scale and valuation gravity

    They describe Palantir’s growth re-acceleration as nearly unprecedented in enterprise software, driven by commercial AI implementation and defense tailwinds. But the valuation debate is central: 100x+ revenue multiples can be justified by compounding, yet may be unsustainable under gravity over time.

  11. Shopify’s ‘ruthless efficiency’ and the future org chart: fewer people, more output

    Using Shopify and Palantir as examples, they argue companies can grow revenue dramatically while shrinking headcount, enabled by automation and AI. This leads to a heated debate about whether teams should feel “uncertain,” and what job security looks like for mid-level roles in the AI era.

  12. Public SaaS ‘winners’ vs startup risk: Monday.com drop and multiple compression lesson

    They note strong companies can still drop sharply if priced to perfection, using Monday.com as a cautionary example. The key lesson: public-market multiples compress quickly when growth expectations slip, reinforcing why venture must be obsessive about durable growth.

  13. Seed & Series A at record highs, but fewer deals: concentration defines the market

    Reviewing Carta data, they focus less on headline valuation highs and more on deal concentration: fewer rounds, more capital flowing to perceived winners. Rory highlights how mega-rounds distort entire market statistics and reflect longer private lifecycles and capital-intensive AI/defense sectors.

  14. Can a single founder build a unicorn? The ‘tiny team, huge revenue’ reality

    They reject the literal “one-person unicorn” as mostly metaphorical, but agree the direction is real: 20–40 person companies reaching enormous scale by orchestrating AI and outsourcing non-core functions. Jason shares SaaStr’s example of small core headcount plus many AI tools and contractors.

  15. Kalshi quick-fire: Palantir $2T, Stripe IPO timing, xAI vs Apple lawsuit

    They end with prediction-market style bets. Both lean under on Palantir reaching $2T in five years, Rory declines to confidently time a Stripe IPO due to idiosyncratic founder choice, and both see a meaningful chance of xAI suing Apple given Elon’s combative patterns.

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