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Tim Urban is the writer/illustrator and co-founder of Wait But Why, a long-form, stick-figure-illustrated website with over 600,000 subscribers and a monthly average of half a million visitors. He has produced dozens of viral articles on a wide range of topics, from artificial intelligence to social anxiety to humans becoming a multi-planetary species. Tim’s 2016 TED main stage talk is the third most-watched TED talk in history with 66 million views. In 2023, Tim published his bestselling book What’s Our Problem? A Self Help Book for Societies. Huge thanks to Tobi @ Shopify for the intro today. ------------------------------------- Timestamps: (0:00) Intro (0:49) Tim Urban’s Early Life (5:20) Making Money from "Wait But Why" (11:27) Tim Urban Considers Being a Venture Capitalist (17:03) Tim Urban’s Selection & Research Process (29:55) Analyzing Content Performance (36:26) Tim Urban’s Writing Process (41:54) How to Grow Your Social Media Following (47:15) How to Build Your Brand (50:31) How to Motivate Yourself (53:54) How to Handle the Critics (58:16) AI Will Shake Our Civilization (1:06:14) Are you optimistic about the future? (1:09:00) Quick-Fire Round ------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with Tim Urban We Discuss: 1. The Founding of Wait by Why: What was the a-ha moment for Tim that Wait but Why should be his life’s work and sole focus? What does Tim know now that he wishes he had known when he started? What does Tim believe he is running away from? Why is he so fearful of constraints? 2. Wait But Why: The Scaling Journey to 600,000 Subs: What was the first piece to really go viral? How did that change the trajectory? What single piece is Tim most proud of? What piece is he least proud of? What has been the hardest element of scaling Wait But Why? What was the most surprising and unexpected elements of Wait But Why’s scaling? 3. Topic Selection: Choosing What To Write: What does the process look like for Tim when deciding what topic to write about? How does Tim know what his audience will want to hear about vs what they will not? What topics has Tim thought would be interesting but post initial research, are not? 4. The Writing Process: How does Tim approach the writing process? How has his changed over time? What mechanisms does Tim put in place to avoid writers block? What are some of Tim’s biggest tips to aspiring writers and authors? 5. The Distribution Process: How does Tim approach distributing the content once produced? What works? What does not? Why did Tim choose newsletter, Twitter and Instagram as his channels of choice? How important has the newsletter been to the growth of the business? 6. AI: Super-Intelligence and The Future: On reviewing his pieces on AI back in 2015, what does he believe he got right? What would he change with the benefit of hindsight? Is Tim more or less positive looking forward at AI proliferating through all of society? What is Tim most concerned about in the world right now? ------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Tim Urban on Twitter: https://twitter.com/waitbutwhy Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vc_reels Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ------------------------------------- #TimUrban #WaitButWhy #HarryStebbings

Tim UrbanguestHarry Stebbingshost
Aug 14, 20231h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 0:44

    Why AI threatens shared reality—and why trusted media will matter more

    Tim opens with a concern that AI will accelerate misinformation and worsen the fracture of “shared reality” created by tribal media and social bubbles. He argues society needs trusted institutions and recognizable brands to anchor what people accept as true.

    • AI can accelerate existing trends of misinformation and reality fragmentation
    • Tribal narrowcast media and social media bubbles already weaken shared reality
    • Trusted media brands/personalities become crucial verification layers
    • Loss of shared reality undermines social stability
  2. 0:44 – 5:07

    Early ambitions, craving freedom, and the ‘instant gratification monkey’

    Tim reflects on what he wanted to be at different ages—from astronaut to president—and why political campaigning turned him off. He describes a deep aversion to externally structured schedules and explains it through his “rational decision-maker vs. instant gratification monkey” framework.

    • Childhood interests (space/dinosaurs) evolved into teenage ambition
    • Disillusionment with politics after being class president
    • Strong need for autonomy and schedule-free days
    • Internal tension between long-term rationality and short-term impulses
    • Learning to reintroduce structure on his own terms
  3. 5:07 – 7:44

    Choosing Wait But Why: leaving side projects, macro-procrastination, and launching (slowly)

    Tim recounts moving from music ambitions and a test-prep business into a full-time commitment to writing. A pivotal 2012 decision with his business partner led him to focus on Wait But Why—followed by a year-long delay driven by uncertainty and procrastination before launching in 2013.

    • Creative drive (music/writing) persisted through early career experiments
    • Ran a tutoring/test-prep business while feeling he was “macro-procrastinating”
    • Decision to go full-time on one creative project: Wait But Why
    • Long pre-launch phase: tools, format, identity, and logistics felt overwhelming
    • Official launch and early momentum in 2013
  4. 7:44 – 11:28

    Monetizing without ‘selling out’: ads vs Patreon, merch, speaking, and keeping the team small

    Tim explains how early traffic created quick ad revenue, but he removed ads because they felt inauthentic. Patreon became the core support mechanism, later complemented by merch, speaking, and a book—while he deliberately avoided scaling into a large media company to preserve creative freedom.

    • Early revenue from Google ads felt ‘ugly’ and off-brand; he removed them
    • Patreon (encouraged by Kurzgesagt’s Philipp Dettmer) became sustainable support
    • Revenue mix: Patreon, merch, speaking (volatile; COVID impact), plus book spike
    • Speaking doesn’t feel like ‘selling soul’ when it’s translating existing ideas
    • Resisted building a big team; hired a key operator (Alisha) and stayed lean
  5. 11:28 – 16:54

    Why he didn’t start a venture fund: opportunity vs claustrophobia and time scarcity

    Harry pushes the case for Tim as a natural VC; Tim shares his resistance to new commitments that consume calendar space and mental bandwidth. They explore how adding obligations triggers a claustrophobic feeling, and how Tim is trying to become more comfortable with structured blocks of work.

    • VC appeal: brand, dealflow, selection via deep research, distribution reach
    • Tim’s core concern: time/brain-space tradeoffs and losing creative focus
    • ‘Schedule claustrophobia’—even one appointment can sour a whole day
    • Balancing freedom with self-imposed structure to avoid the ‘monkey’ taking over
    • Brief detour into relationships and independence with his wife
  6. 16:54 – 20:27

    Topic selection: ‘delicious’ curiosity, conversation-born frameworks, and what he avoids

    Tim explains that topic choice is driven by excitement and a sense of narrative or framework-building. Some posts come from fascination with emerging tech; others emerge from recurring conversations about human behavior. He also notes entire domains he finds “icky” or insufficiently proven (e.g., crypto at the time).

    • Selection criterion: genuine excitement/curiosity plus a compelling story to tell
    • Tech topics (e.g., Neuralink) spark ‘jumping out of seat’ urgency to explain
    • Human-behavior topics arise from recurring friend conversations
    • Enjoys turning scattered thoughts into formal frameworks and charts
    • Actively avoids topics that feel abstract/boring or not future-relevant to him
  7. 20:27 – 26:32

    Research method: from Wikipedia to books to ‘dopamine hits’ and building intuition

    Tim details a research workflow aimed at moving from shallow familiarity (2–3/10) to intuitive competence (5–6/10), not expert status. He starts broad, then deepens through books, videos, highlights, and linked notes—tracking moments when explanations “click” so he can recreate that clarity for readers.

    • Goal is intuitive understanding, not doctoral-level mastery
    • Start broad (Wikipedia, overview videos) to map the topic’s ‘shape’
    • Go deeper with multiple books, papers, and repeated passes through best sources
    • Note-taking: Kindle highlights + simple text docs with timestamped links
    • Tracks ‘dopamine hit’ metaphors and clarity moments for later writing
    • Revisiting earlier sources is a test for how much the fog has lifted
  8. 26:32 – 31:21

    Making complexity readable: finding the sweet spot between shallow and too technical

    Tim rejects the idea that a topic is inherently too complex; the writer’s job is to select the depth and metaphors that keep readers engaged. He describes how every subject has a boring zone if you go too technical, and explains his approach to filtering and pacing insights so readers get frequent “click” moments.

    • No topic is too hard if explained at the right level
    • Shallow takes don’t teach; too technical becomes jargon-heavy and boring
    • Uses himself as the focus group: what gave him ‘dopamine hits’ will likely land
    • Filters subtopics aggressively (e.g., cutting ice-age mechanics when it felt dull)
    • Aims for frequent reader ‘click’ moments, not exhaustive completeness
  9. 31:21 – 36:25

    Performance and virality: surprises, evergreen growth, and avoiding the data trap

    Tim shares how early Wait But Why optimized for viral hits and how unpredictable that proved. He contrasts a post that didn’t catch (the “Apple game”) with a breakout success (“Why Generation Y Yuppies are Unhappy”). Over time he shifted from chasing virality to serving an established audience, with evergreen posts steadily recruiting new readers.

    • Early strategy: aim for viral posts to bootstrap readership; hard to predict
    • Example flop: ‘Apple game’ post he expected to become an internet sensation
    • Example breakout: ‘Why Generation Y Yuppies are Unhappy’ (~14M in a week)
    • Now less motivated by virality; more by delighting existing readers
    • Growth pattern: spikes raise the baseline; evergreen posts keep compounding
  10. 36:25 – 38:53

    Writing systems: deadlines, ‘dead inside’ sprint mode, and sustainable daily quotas

    Tim explains that blog posts can be produced in intense multi-day sprints, often driven by panic and deadlines. Books require a different approach: interleaving research and writing and using consistent daily word targets (e.g., 800 words) to avoid burnout and long stalls.

    • Blog writing often happens in high-pressure sprint mode with self-imposed deadlines
    • Book writing requires interleaving research, outlining, and drafting
    • Current regimen: 800 new words per weekday with accountability
    • Avoids unrealistic targets that cause collapse and long ‘zero days’
    • Sustainable consistency beats occasional 3,000-word bursts plus weeks of avoidance
  11. 38:53 – 41:53

    Snags, self-management, and motivation mechanisms that beat procrastination

    Tim reframes writer’s block as “snags” caused by structural confusion or insufficient understanding. Without external pressure, snags can spiral into weeks of avoidance; with accountability systems—financial stakes, visible progress—he can push through faster and feel less miserable overall.

    • Snags come from disliking structure, uncertainty about next section, or knowledge gaps
    • Without pressure: avoidance loops (over-researching, re-outlining, despair)
    • With pressure: shorter snags, forced progress, relief after completion
    • Uses commitment devices (money at stake, friends monitoring docs)
    • Defines success as showing up daily, not waiting for perfect flow
  12. 41:53 – 47:18

    Distribution and platform strategy: consistency early, email list leverage, and ‘A+++ at one thing’

    Tim argues consistency is crucial when you’re unknown, but becomes less essential once you have strong direct channels like an email list. He challenges the “volume everywhere” mindset, advocating excellence in one primary format and then repurposing it across platforms, while diversifying enough to reduce platform risk.

    • Consistency matters most early when audiences won’t keep checking your site
    • Email lists and social channels reduce the need for rigid publishing cadence
    • Focus on doing one thing extremely well, then repurpose for other platforms
    • Diversification helps hedge platform shifts (attention portfolio)
    • Current distribution is straightforward: email + core social + Patreon + extracted posts
  13. 47:18 – 58:18

    Brand identity, criticism, and the posts he’s proudest of vs most criticized

    Tim describes the satisfaction of being known for work that feels deeply authentic—and the danger of being trapped by attention for work that isn’t. He explains how he deals with harsh feedback by zooming out to the silent majority and notes that politics content generates the most backlash, while long explainers like SpaceX are points of pride.

    • Being a ‘brand’ feels good when the work aligns with personal truth and quality
    • Criticism management: zoom out to the full audience and inevitability of negativity
    • Constructive corrections on science posts feel valuable; political comments get nasty
    • Most proud: long narrative explainers (e.g., SpaceX) with real-world inspiration impact
    • Most pushback: American politics and political tribalism content
  14. 58:18 – 1:06:19

    AI revisited: what his 2015 piece got right, and how AI could destabilize society

    Tim reflects on the core framework of his 2015 AI essay—narrow vs general intelligence, superintelligence risk, and unintended consequences—which he believes still holds up. He then expands on AI’s societal threat: eroding trust in media, enabling mass misinformation, and exploiting fragile infrastructure nodes that keep civilization stable.

    • Believes the main 2015 AI concepts still stand; acknowledges technical quibbles
    • His work synthesized key thinkers (Bostrom, Kurzweil, Barrat, Yudkowsky)
    • Deepfakes and synthetic media can break trust in video/audio/identity
    • Misinformation can cause real-world panic and cascading disruption
    • Civilization is robust yet fragile—AI can shake key support beams (power grid, institutions)
  15. 1:06:19 – 1:15:14

    Future outlook + quick-fire: optimism vs risk, learning sources, and next steps

    Tim balances excitement about AI-driven solutions (climate, health, biotech) with fear that AI’s downsides could overwhelm society’s stability, using an “alien spaceship” analogy. In quick-fire, he cites influential content (The Fountainhead, history podcasts), regrets (investing timing), updated beliefs (AI job disruption), views on Twitter/Elon, and his desire to expand into audio/video and new media formats.

    • Optimistic about solving major problems; anxious about AI destabilizing society
    • Alien analogy: AI may solve everything, but may also be uncontrollable or indifferent
    • Influences: The Fountainhead; history podcasts (Dan Carlin, Fall of Civilizations)
    • AI changed his timelines—now worries it could replace parts of his job sooner
    • Plans: accelerate podcasting and diversify mediums (audio/video/TV/books)

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