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Trae Stephens is a Partner at Founders Fund, one of the world’s leading funds where he has worked with some of the best and backed the likes of Palmer Luckey with Oculus and Ryan Peterson @ Flexport since the very early days. Trae is also Co-founder and Executive Chairman of Anduril Industries, a defense technology company focused on autonomous systems, and Co-founder of Sol, a next-generation wearable e-reader. Previously, Trae was an early employee at Palantir Technologies, where he was also an integral part of the product team, leading the design and strategy for new product offerings. ----------------------------------------------- Timestamps: (00:00) Intro (05:39) Transformational Life Experiences (09:15) Transition to VC & Joining Founders Fund (17:53) Collaboration & Decision-Making in Competitive Deals (23:27) Lessons from the Crazy Times (31:45) Lessons on Reserves & Downside Protection (38:18) Backing Founders Despite Disliking Their Ideas (42:29) Role of Market Timing in Investing (47:12) Need for Software-Defined National Security (01:08:51) Quick-Fire Round ----------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode with Trae Stephens We Discuss: 1. From Hustling into Georgetown to Peter Thiel Ushering You into VC: What is Trae’s story of how he got into Georgetown University, despite being rejected the first time? How did Trae make his way into the world of VC? How did Peter Thiel recruit him to Founders Fund? What advice did Brian Singerman give Trae in his first week in VC? Why is it so important? 2. How the Best Venture Firm in the World Invests: Decision-Making Process: Why do Founders Fund not have partner meetings? What is the investment decision-making process? Why does more process lead to mediocre outcomes? Competitive Deals: Why does Trae believe the most competitive deals are always the worst? What do Founders Fund do to specifically avoid the “herd mentality”? Upside Maximisation: Why does no one at Founders Fund care about “downside protection”? How do the team approach scenario planning and upside maximisation? 3. Do VCs Really Add Value: Why does Trae think putting VCs on a board for “value add” is total BS? Are there any cases in which Trae believes the VC can really move the needle for a company? Why does Trae believe venture would be better if it were just operator investors? Why does Trae believe platform approaches to VC value add is BS? 4. The Future of VC: Who and How to Win: How did being an operator at the same time as investing, make Trae a better investor? Why does Trae believe that vertical investing is BS and generalised is better? How does Trae favour; market, product and people? Will Trae back a founder when he hates the idea? What have been Trae’s biggest lessons from his biggest hits and biggest misses in 10 years? ----------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZTtgTNBKwtZBMHvl?si=85bc9196860e4466 Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-twenty-minute-vc-20vc-venture-capital-startup/id958230465 Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Trae Stephens on Twitter: https://twitter.com/traestephens Follow 20VC on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/contact ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #traestephens #foundersfund #ceo #venturecapital #businesstips #investing #businessstrategy #peterthiel #anduril

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Apr 2, 20241h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Trae Stephens on conviction, competition, and defense tech’s venture future

Trae Stephens, Partner at Founders Fund and co-founder of Anduril, discusses his unconventional path into elite education, national security, and venture capital, emphasizing persistence and non-traditional backgrounds. He outlines Founders Fund’s conviction-driven, low-process investment model, arguing that consensus, auction-style deals and over-competitive rounds usually lead to mediocre returns. Stephens explains why the best companies are never successful because of their VCs, why returns concentrate in a few monopoly-scale winners, and why price obsession and process-heavy firms are structurally misaligned with that reality. He also dives into building Anduril in a changing geopolitical landscape, the unique difficulty of defense-tech sales into government, and his belief in vocation, civil service, and investing only in technologies that move the world away from a sci‑fi dystopia.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Conviction matters more than process in venture decision-making.

Founders Fund deliberately minimizes formal IC processes; to get a deal done, a partner must “pound the table” and accept personal reputational risk instead of pushing companies through consensus-driven funnels that tend to produce mediocre, over-competed outcomes.

The most competitive, consensus deals are often the worst investments.

Stephens argues that inflated prices usually signal memetic contagion and auctions, not quality; when founders run hyper-competitive, 24-hour “exploding” processes, they optimize for ego and dilution, often sacrificing long-term company health and future financing flexibility.

Venture fund performance is driven by a tiny number of monopoly-scale winners.

For large funds, only companies capable of returning an entire fund (often $10B+ outcomes) really matter; everything else is “a rounding error to zero,” which is why Stephens dismisses downside protection and insists on only backing opportunities he thinks can be massive.

Founders, not VCs, are the true drivers of company success.

Stephens is blunt that no company is successful because its VCs are smart; the best investors mostly avoid creating drag, provide help reactively, and recognize that operator-founders and their teams—not boards or memos—build enduring businesses.

Defense and hard tech require elite business execution, not just technical genius.

Successful companies like Anduril, Palantir, and SpaceX pair world-class technical founders with equally capable business leaders who understand government relations, lobbying, and long, complex sales cycles; building cool tech alone is never enough in this sector.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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Any company that's successful is not successful because their VCs are really smart.

— Trae Stephens

The worst deals are the most competitive deals because they're the ones that are super consensus.

— Trae Stephens

Competition is for losers, and it will always be for losers—whether it's venture capital or startups.

— Trae Stephens (paraphrasing Peter Thiel)

If you're a multi-time successful entrepreneur and you're starting a fairly simple, trivial enterprise SaaS company, shame on you.

— Trae Stephens

Money will never give you meaning. You have to understand the anthropology of your humanity; otherwise that emptiness will never be filled.

— Trae Stephens

Stephens’ background: rural upbringing, Georgetown persistence, and early national security careerEntry into Founders Fund and learning venture through volume and mistakesFounders Fund’s anti-process, conviction-led investment culture and view on pricingConcentrated venture returns, reserves strategy, and the limits of downside protectionFounder vs. market, momentum, and what makes a “Trey-type” deep/defense-tech dealBuilding Anduril: timing, government sales, lobbying, and great power conflictEthics, vocation, faith, and the role of founders (vs. VCs) in shaping the future

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