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Will Quist: Why 95% of Venture Capital is Not Really “Venture Capital” | 20VC #924

Will Quist is a Partner @ Slow Ventures. Over the last decade, the team at Slow Ventures have invested in the earliest rounds of over 500 companies including Robinhood, NextDoor, Airtable, Solana and many more. As for Will, prior to Slow he spent over 8 years at Industry Ventures and before industry, cut his teeth in the world of finance at Banc of America. ----------------------------------------- Timestamps: 0:00 Will's Background 6:48 WTF is Venture Capital? 9:18 Venture is Simple but Hard 10:20 The Lack of Rebels in Venture 11:20 All Capital Games End Up Looking the Same 13:17 Does "New Venture" denigrate the returns of "Old Venture"? 16:00 How can seed managers compete with multi-stage firms? 17:12 A Click Further Out from Consensus 18:30 Five Levers that Determine the Value an Enterprise 25:22 Market vs. Founder 28:46 How do you think about the Risk Matrix? 29:56 Does having one novel idea increase likelihood of having a second? 31:34 Does being one clic away from consensus mean a higher loss rate? 32:32 How to Price Companies when there's Less Consensus 33:40 What will Venture look like in 3-5 years? 36:05 The Problem with LP Incentives 37:42 Most Disturbing Trend in Venture 39:29 Is Venture more or less collaborative than ever? 40:56 Price Sensitivity 42:45 Will's Biggest Hit 44:40 Venture Investors the Laziest 45:50 Will's Biggest Miss 46:47 Internal Mindsets over Goal Orientation 50:16 When to Sell in the Secondary Markets 52:55 How do you think about reserves? 55:57 Is success in Venture cyclical? 58:15 What does the future hold for Slow Ventures? 1:00:15 Will's Favourite Book 1:00:31 Most Underrated Angel Investor 1:01:10 What will happen to Tiger Global? 1:02:00 What would you most like to change about the world of startups? 1:02:43 What have you most recently changed your mind on? 1:04:31 Do VCs do branding well today? 1:04:58 Will's most recent publicly announced investment ----------------------------------------- In Todays Episode with Will Quist We Discuss: 1.) Entry into Venture: How Will made his way from 6th generation San Francisco to Partner @ Slow? What are 1-2 of the biggest takeaways from his early 1-1s with Don Valentine? What does Will know now that he wishes he had known when he started in venture with Industry? 2.) WTF Really is Venture Capital? Why does Will believe that 95% of venture capital today is not really venture capital? What is true venture capital in Will’s mind? How does Will divide the world of VC into two with; venture classic and new venture? How are they different? How are their return profiles different? 3.) The Questions: Discovering Greatness: Why does Will believe “for the most part, investors across asset classes are just asking the same questions”? What are those questions? What different answers are each looking for? What are the 5 core questions that will needs to understand to determine conviction and accurately price an asset? How does Will think through and analyze the question when meeting founders of; “what needs to come true for this business to become a great business”? 4.) The Future of Venture Capital: How does Will predict the venture capital ecosystem will look in 5 and then 10 years? What are the most concerning traits of the venture ecosystem for Will today? Who will be the winners of the next decade? Who will be the losers? What happens to the crossover funds? What will happen to Tiger? ----------------------------------------- Subscribe to the Podcast: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/will-quist/ Follow Harry Stebbings on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HarryStebbings Follow Will Quist on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wquist ----------------------------------------- #WillQuist #SlowVentures #20VC #HarryStebbings #venturecapital #spotify #startups #facebook #tiktok #socialnetworks

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Will Quist Explains Why Real Venture Capital Is Rare And Misunderstood

  1. Will Quist (Slow Ventures, ex-Industry Ventures) argues that only about 5% of capital labeled as “venture” is actually doing classic venture: funding novel, testable hypotheses with high equity efficiency. The rest is effectively growth or private equity-style capital chasing modelable, de-risked opportunities at scale. He lays out a simple-but-hard framework for underwriting startups around five levers—arc of history, product value prop, market, defensibility, and business model—and contrasts “venture classic” (non-consensus, experiment financing) with “new venture” (consensus, zero-sum, multi-stage platforms).
  2. Quist and Stebbings dig into why returns are denigrating, how multi-stage funds and crossover players have changed the game, how seed managers can compete by going one click away from consensus, and how to think about risk matrices, pricing discipline, reserves, and secondaries. They also explore organizational dynamics (special forces vs infantry), why branding is more important than many VCs admit, and why Sequoia is the archetype of a well-run investment business.
  3. Throughout, Quist stresses being an investor first and a VC second: applying universal investing principles, resisting lazy pattern-dismissals of sectors, and building portfolios with higher loss rates but much greater optionality when backing truly novel ideas.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

True venture capital funds experiments on novel, testable hypotheses with equity efficiency.

Quist’s “venture classic” is capital that enables founders to run experiments where a clear answer can dramatically change enterprise value, using relatively little equity to unlock large, durable value; most large rounds in de-risked businesses are really growth or private equity, not classic venture.

Use five core levers to underwrite any company, regardless of stage.

He evaluates: (1) whether the arc of history is bending the company’s way, (2) absolute and relative product value proposition, (3) real market spend and growth assumptions (including when it’s currently zero), (4) defensibility (network effects, IP, regulation, etc.), and (5) business model and equity efficiency.

The difference in venture isn’t the questions asked, but the evidence you accept.

Public and buyout investors mostly act when they have strong first- or third-party data; venture investors, especially “classic” ones, must be comfortable backing credible theories and anecdotal data earlier, and deliberately choosing where to accept theoretical rather than statistical answers.

Don’t stack too many theoretical risks; one novel bet is hard enough.

Quist views each key lever as existing on a spectrum from hard data to pure theory; backing multiple unproven hypotheses at once (e.g., novel market, novel tech, unproven founder) quickly makes the odds of success exponentially worse and can render the deal NPV-negative no matter the upside.

Seed managers should compete by going one click away from consensus, not by price.

Trying to beat multi-stage funds at their own consensus game and paying the same prices is a losing strategy; instead, smaller managers should deliberately hunt in slightly less-believed spaces where they have differentiated conviction and can still underwrite rational risk-reward.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“I fundamentally believe the point of venture capital is to allow a founder to run an experiment against a hypothesis that is knowable, testable, where a true answer dramatically changes the enterprise value of the company.”

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“Ninety-five percent of the money calling itself venture capital isn’t seeking novelty; it’s seeking things it knows how to model.”

Will Quist

“All capital games end up looking the same. Once there’s a consensus way to make money and enough scale, you sprint to a quadrant and build the organization to run that playbook.”

Will Quist

“One of the biggest mistakes you can make as an early manager is putting $3 million into something super risky at seed and $100K into something less risky at 150 post. That’s not just a pricing mistake, that’s an allocation mistake.”

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“I don’t think enough venture investors think of themselves as investors first and then venture second.”

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The definition of “venture classic” vs. “new venture” and why most capital isn’t true ventureA five-lever framework for evaluating enterprise value and startup hypothesesConsensus vs. non-consensus investing, risk matrices, and portfolio constructionPricing discipline, loss rates, reserves, and secondaries in today’s marketHow capital markets industries converge (venture vs. PE, hedge funds, banking)Organizational design: founders as special forces vs. scaling teams as infantryBranding and firm strategy in venture, with Sequoia as a benchmark case

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