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“How We Can Eliminate Crime” | Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley

What if America tried to eliminate crime instead of just reacting to it? Not with slogans, but with staffing, technology, and strategy scaled to the problem. In this episode, Erik Torenberg speaks with Garrett Langley, founder and CEO of Flock Safety, and Ben Horowitz, cofounder of a16z, about what is happening in the cities that are trying. Flock now works with over 5,000 communities to detect crime, recover missing children, and close cases faster than ever. Ben has been closely involved in Las Vegas, where Flock technology, drones, and community policing have raised clearance rates while reducing use of force. They outline what a real national crime-reduction strategy could look like: solving the police staffing crisis, using intelligence to make policing safer, understanding why clearance rates have collapsed, and how public–private partnerships are filling gaps cities cannot. They also tackle the hard questions around privacy, criminal justice failures, and the hidden role of organized crime in everyday offenses. Timecodes: 0:00 — Introduction: The Cost of Not Enforcing Crime 1:29 — Teach for America Model for Law Enforcement 3:56 — The People Problem: Cultural Shift in Policing 8:28 — Technology Stack: Products for Crime Prevention 12:11 — Deterrence vs. Incarceration 16:15 — Intelligence-Based Policing 19:57 — Why Crime Clearance Rates Are Dropping 25:00 — Vegas Case Study: Community Response 28:10 — Private Funding for Police Innovation 34:05 — Addressing Privacy and Trust Concerns 38:53 — Prison Reform and Rehabilitation 43:44 — Crime Statistics and Reporting Issues 47:08 — Data Retention and Sharing Policies 51:52 — Organized Crime and Sophisticated Operations 54:16 — The Future of Policing: Intelligence and Precision 57:07 — Success Stories: Saving Missing Children Read the full transcript here: https://www.a16z.news/s/podcast Resources: Follow Garrett on X: https://twitter.com/glangley Follow Ben on X: https://twitter.com/bhorowitz Stay Updated: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and share with your friends! Find a16z on X: https://twitter.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Listen to the a16z Podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX Listen to the a16z Podcast on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711 Follow our host: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details, please see a16z.com/disclosures.

Ben HorowitzguestGarrett LangleyguestErik Torenberghost
Dec 16, 202558mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

A technology-and-policy blueprint to deter crime without mass incarceration

  1. They argue that the most humane crime strategy is high certainty of getting caught (deterrence) rather than simply increasing incarceration, because prison is costly and often destroys future opportunity.
  2. They propose a “Teach for America” model for law enforcement—using student-debt relief and other incentives to address a staffing crisis largely driven by cultural stigma and reputational decline in policing.
  3. They describe a modern “technology stack” for public safety—cameras, gunshot detection, drones, license plate readers, and an AI orchestration layer—to convert abundant raw data into actionable intelligence and safer, more accountable police responses.
  4. They explain why clearance rates (even for murder) have fallen nationally: less witness cooperation, more randomized/organized crime, evidence volume outpacing tools and skills, and the loss of experienced detectives due to early retirement and understaffing.
  5. They emphasize governance and legitimacy: transparency features, configurable data retention/sharing policies, and community policing are positioned as necessary to build trust and avoid the inequities of privatized security.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Certainty of apprehension is framed as the key lever for reducing crime.

They contend that when people believe “you will get caught,” crime becomes less economically and socially attractive, reducing the need for extreme sentencing or “harsh models” like mass imprisonment or Singapore/El Salvador-style punishments.

Policing’s staffing crisis is described as primarily cultural, not demographic.

Langley argues the supply of potential recruits hasn’t fundamentally changed; stigma and vilification drove early retirements and recruitment collapse, which then forced some departments to lower standards with dangerous consequences.

A debt-relief service pathway could rapidly expand the public-safety workforce.

A proposed program would trade student-debt retirement for 2–4 years of service in patrol or civilian policing roles, easing staffing shortages and raising the skill baseline without requiring military service.

Modern public safety requires an end-to-end sensor stack plus an AI ‘sensemaking’ layer.

They describe combining cameras/LPRs, gunshot detection, and drones with AI-driven orchestration so departments can act on data quickly and consistently rather than leaving footage unwatched and leads unpursued.

Better intelligence can reduce both crime and violent police encounters.

Horowitz claims Vegas saw a large drop in police shootings after deploying cameras/drones because officers approach incidents with clearer identification, backup planning, and less uncertainty—shifting from “subjective” to “objective” policing.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you don't enforce crime, what you end up is with lost generations.

Ben Horowitz

Outside of Vegas, the national average is around 47% clearance rates, so you have a coin flip.

Garrett Langley

The irony of defund the police is defund the police for poor people. To privatize the police for rich people.

Ben Horowitz

Do you realize if the federal government wanted to find you, a license plate reader is the dumbest way to do it. I will just get a cell phone dump. And I will know your exact location in real time at all times.

Garrett Langley

We helped return over 450 missing children this year.

Garrett Langley

Deterrence vs. incarcerationTeach-for-America-style policing recruitmentCultural stigma and staffing shortagesReal-time crime centers and AI orchestrationCameras, drones, gunshot detection, LPRs (Flock)Clearance-rate decline and witness noncooperationPrivacy vs. trust; transparency toolingPublic-private funding of police techData retention and inter-agency sharing rulesRehabilitation programs and recidivism reductionOrganized retail theft and transnational gangsCrime statistics underreporting and reporting changes

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