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“How We Can Eliminate Crime” | Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley

What if America tried to eliminate crime instead of just reacting to it? Not with slogans, but with staffing, technology, and strategy scaled to the problem.

Ben HorowitzguestGarrett LangleyguestErik Torenberghost
Dec 16, 202558mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

A technology-and-policy blueprint to deter crime without mass incarceration

  1. They argue that the most humane crime strategy is high certainty of getting caught (deterrence) rather than simply increasing incarceration, because prison is costly and often destroys future opportunity.
  2. They propose a “Teach for America” model for law enforcement—using student-debt relief and other incentives to address a staffing crisis largely driven by cultural stigma and reputational decline in policing.
  3. They describe a modern “technology stack” for public safety—cameras, gunshot detection, drones, license plate readers, and an AI orchestration layer—to convert abundant raw data into actionable intelligence and safer, more accountable police responses.
  4. They explain why clearance rates (even for murder) have fallen nationally: less witness cooperation, more randomized/organized crime, evidence volume outpacing tools and skills, and the loss of experienced detectives due to early retirement and understaffing.
  5. They emphasize governance and legitimacy: transparency features, configurable data retention/sharing policies, and community policing are positioned as necessary to build trust and avoid the inequities of privatized security.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Certainty of apprehension is framed as the key lever for reducing crime.

They contend that when people believe “you will get caught,” crime becomes less economically and socially attractive, reducing the need for extreme sentencing or “harsh models” like mass imprisonment or Singapore/El Salvador-style punishments.

Policing’s staffing crisis is described as primarily cultural, not demographic.

Langley argues the supply of potential recruits hasn’t fundamentally changed; stigma and vilification drove early retirements and recruitment collapse, which then forced some departments to lower standards with dangerous consequences.

A debt-relief service pathway could rapidly expand the public-safety workforce.

A proposed program would trade student-debt retirement for 2–4 years of service in patrol or civilian policing roles, easing staffing shortages and raising the skill baseline without requiring military service.

Modern public safety requires an end-to-end sensor stack plus an AI ‘sensemaking’ layer.

They describe combining cameras/LPRs, gunshot detection, and drones with AI-driven orchestration so departments can act on data quickly and consistently rather than leaving footage unwatched and leads unpursued.

Better intelligence can reduce both crime and violent police encounters.

Horowitz claims Vegas saw a large drop in police shootings after deploying cameras/drones because officers approach incidents with clearer identification, backup planning, and less uncertainty—shifting from “subjective” to “objective” policing.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you don't enforce crime, what you end up is with lost generations.

— Ben Horowitz

Outside of Vegas, the national average is around 47% clearance rates, so you have a coin flip.

— Garrett Langley

The irony of defund the police is defund the police for poor people. To privatize the police for rich people.

— Ben Horowitz

Do you realize if the federal government wanted to find you, a license plate reader is the dumbest way to do it. I will just get a cell phone dump. And I will know your exact location in real time at all times.

— Garrett Langley

We helped return over 450 missing children this year.

— Garrett Langley

Read the available transcript
Deterrence vs. incarcerationTeach-for-America-style policing recruitmentCultural stigma and staffing shortagesReal-time crime centers and AI orchestrationCameras, drones, gunshot detection, LPRs (Flock)Clearance-rate decline and witness noncooperationPrivacy vs. trust; transparency toolingPublic-private funding of police techData retention and inter-agency sharing rulesRehabilitation programs and recidivism reductionOrganized retail theft and transnational gangsCrime statistics underreporting and reporting changes

SPEAKERS

  • Ben Horowitz

    guest

    Cofounder and general partner at Andreessen Horowitz (a16z).

  • Garrett Langley

    guest

    Founder and CEO of Flock Safety, a public-safety technology company.

  • Erik Torenberg

    host

    Podcast host and a16z partner known for interviewing founders and investors.

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