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“How We Can Eliminate Crime” | Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley

What if America tried to eliminate crime instead of just reacting to it? Not with slogans, but with staffing, technology, and strategy scaled to the problem. In this episode, Erik Torenberg speaks with Garrett Langley, founder and CEO of Flock Safety, and Ben Horowitz, cofounder of a16z, about what is happening in the cities that are trying. Flock now works with over 5,000 communities to detect crime, recover missing children, and close cases faster than ever. Ben has been closely involved in Las Vegas, where Flock technology, drones, and community policing have raised clearance rates while reducing use of force. They outline what a real national crime-reduction strategy could look like: solving the police staffing crisis, using intelligence to make policing safer, understanding why clearance rates have collapsed, and how public–private partnerships are filling gaps cities cannot. They also tackle the hard questions around privacy, criminal justice failures, and the hidden role of organized crime in everyday offenses. Timecodes: 0:00 — Introduction: The Cost of Not Enforcing Crime 1:29 — Teach for America Model for Law Enforcement 3:56 — The People Problem: Cultural Shift in Policing 8:28 — Technology Stack: Products for Crime Prevention 12:11 — Deterrence vs. Incarceration 16:15 — Intelligence-Based Policing 19:57 — Why Crime Clearance Rates Are Dropping 25:00 — Vegas Case Study: Community Response 28:10 — Private Funding for Police Innovation 34:05 — Addressing Privacy and Trust Concerns 38:53 — Prison Reform and Rehabilitation 43:44 — Crime Statistics and Reporting Issues 47:08 — Data Retention and Sharing Policies 51:52 — Organized Crime and Sophisticated Operations 54:16 — The Future of Policing: Intelligence and Precision 57:07 — Success Stories: Saving Missing Children Read the full transcript here: https://www.a16z.news/s/podcast Resources: Follow Garrett on X: https://twitter.com/glangley Follow Ben on X: https://twitter.com/bhorowitz Stay Updated: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and share with your friends! Find a16z on X: https://twitter.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Listen to the a16z Podcast on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX Listen to the a16z Podcast on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711 Follow our host: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details, please see a16z.com/disclosures.

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Dec 17, 202558mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Deterrence as the humane alternative to “lost generations”

    Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley frame crime enforcement as a societal incentives problem: when the odds of getting caught are low, crime becomes a rational career path and corrodes communities. They argue the goal isn’t mass incarceration, but credible certainty of capture that prevents people from entering the system in the first place.

  2. A “Teach for America” pipeline to solve policing’s staffing crisis

    Langley proposes a national service-style recruiting program for law enforcement: trade student debt relief for 2–4 years of service in a police department, including non-sworn roles. The idea targets both staffing shortages and capability gaps while boosting the status of public safety work.

  3. The real “people problem”: culture, stigma, and lowered standards

    They argue the hiring crisis is primarily cultural—driven by stigma, early retirements after social unrest/COVID, and a narrative shift from “hero” to “villain.” Horowitz warns shortages can force departments to lower standards, which can compound misconduct and further damage legitimacy.

  4. Recruiting through modernization: tech, visibility, and the “Cybertruck effect”

    Horowitz describes using high-visibility modernization (vehicles, tech deployments) to make policing appealing and community-facing. They claim flashy but practical investments can improve recruitment, increase community engagement, and shift perceptions faster than abstract messaging.

  5. Building a city’s crime-prevention technology stack (sensors → AI orchestration)

    The conversation shifts to “products”: address crime type-by-type with sensors like gunshot detection, cameras, and drones. The missing piece, they argue, is an AI/orchestration layer that turns abundant data into actionable intelligence while supporting transparency and accountability.

  6. Deterrence vs. incarceration: why certainty of punishment matters more than severity

    They criticize systems that combine low capture rates with long prison sentences, calling it both economically costly and socially destructive. Their preferred model is “you will get caught,” which changes behavior upstream and reduces reliance on prison as the primary tool.

  7. Intelligence-based policing + community cooperation (Vegas as proof point)

    Horowitz argues intelligence improves safety for suspects, officers, and bystanders by reducing uncertainty and mistaken stops. They connect high clearance rates in Las Vegas to community policing—people share information when trust and professionalism are strong.

  8. Why clearance rates are collapsing nationwide

    Langley offers multiple drivers of declining clearance rates: higher evidence standards, reduced witness cooperation, a shift toward more random/organized violence, evidence overload outpacing tools, and the loss of experienced detectives due to retirement and staffing gaps.

  9. Vegas case study: visible community support and practical ROI

    Horowitz says the biggest surprise in Vegas is how strongly residents—especially working-class locals—support the technology approach despite national press criticism. He emphasizes that small, targeted investments can create outsized operational improvements and public confidence quickly.

  10. Private funding as a catalyst for police innovation (and why cities can’t start alone)

    They describe public-private partnerships as a pragmatic bridge: private dollars fund initial deployment, then cities decide whether to absorb costs later. Examples include police foundations and corporate support (e.g., major employers funding local safety improvements).

  11. Privacy vs. trust: what surveillance debates are really about

    Langley argues most criticism labeled “privacy” is actually distrust in local police institutions. They claim license-plate readers operate in public spaces and are less invasive than other modern tracking, while emphasizing transparency tools as a mechanism to build public confidence.

  12. Prison reform and rehabilitation: separating enforcement from corrections failures

    Horowitz and Langley support reforms that reduce recidivism and avoid turning non-violent offenders into hardened criminals. They highlight programs that redirect first-time, non-violent cases into structured pathways (work/school/home) and point to successful reentry models.

  13. Crime stats, underreporting, and “gaslighting” about public safety

    They argue official crime numbers can be misleading due to underreporting, changed recording practices post-2020, and non-prosecution discouraging victims from calling police. They recommend using victimization surveys and lived experience as critical reality checks.

  14. Policy knobs in tech: data retention, data sharing, and cross-border crime

    Langley describes configurable governance levers: how long data is retained and who it can be shared with. They argue local values and state laws should determine settings, but warn that strict borders for data sharing can hinder solving crimes that cross jurisdictions.

  15. Organized and sophisticated crime: from retail theft to logistics fraud

    They contend modern crime includes highly organized, business-like operations that exploit weak enforcement and policy loopholes. Examples include retail theft rings and sophisticated cargo/logistics schemes that appear legitimate on paper while moving stolen goods at scale.

  16. The future of policing: intelligent, precise, and drone-enabled real-time response

    Langley envisions a system where integrated sensors, shared hotlists, and real-time crime centers enable precision interventions. Drones and analytics reduce the need for risky, force-heavy responses and can shift officers’ time from paperwork toward community presence.

  17. Success stories: recovering missing children and high-stakes real-world impact

    They close with outcomes they view as unambiguously positive, especially rapid recovery of missing children and incidents where fast identification prevents escalation. These stories are used to argue that the benefits of real-time intelligence become obvious when stakes are personal.

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