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Complete Course: AI Product Discovery

Tanguy Crusson is one of my favourite product management voices in the world because this guy really gets what it takes to build valuable products that users love to user and positively impact the business growth. We could talk a million things with him but I’m keeping it to what I like the most about his work - Product Discovery. You’ll also learn: - How they built Jira Product Discovery from a slide deck prototype → 18,000 customers - What most PMs get wrong about discovery (and how to fix it) - Why Tanguy hasn’t written a PRD in 5 years If you’ve ever thought, “Damn, I wish I actually knew how to do product discovery right…”, this episode is for you. 🎥 Timestamps: Preview & Intro — 00:00:00 Ideal Discovery Process - 00:00:24 Stage 1: Wonder - 00:02:12 Jira Product Discovery (JPD) Roadmap - 00:04:44 Ad (JPD) - 00:09:21 Ad: AIPM Certification with OpenAI PM — 00:10:16 Summarising Wonder Stage - 00:11:03 The Best Investment You Could Make as PM - 00:12:33 Most Important Area to Look for when You Join a Team - 00:19:14 Ad: Vanta Compliance & Security — 00:26:21 Ad: AI Evals Course for PMs & Engineers — 00:27:25 Why This System Will Revolutionise the Work for 75% of you - 00:28:25 Stage 2: Explore - 00:28:59 How to Build What Matters - 00:31:18 Stage 3: Make – The Growth Funnel vs. Safety Funnel - 00:36:00 Legendary Atlassian Ad for PMs - 00:40:20 If he had Zero Customers, What Would He Do - 00:42:31 How The Process Looks Like Between Make & Impact Stages - 00:47:07 Stage 4: Impact - 00:54:33 Outro: 00:57:14 ---- Podcast transcript: https://www.news.aakashg.com/p/tanguy-crusson-podcast 💼 Check out our sponsors: 1. Jira Product Discovery: Plan with purpose, ship with confidence - https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/product-discovery 2. Product Faculty: Get $500 off the AI PM certification with code AAKASH25 - https://maven.com/product-faculty/ai-product-management-certification?promoCode=AAKASH25 3. Vanta: Automate compliance, security, and trust with AI (Get $1,000 with our link) - https://www.vanta.com/lp/demo-1k?utm_campaign=1k_offer&utm_source=product-growth&utm_medium=podcast 4. The AI Evals Course for PMs & Engineers :Get $800 off with this link - https://maven.com/parlance-labs/evals?promoCode=ag-product-growth 👀 Where to Find Tanguy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanguy-crusson-99832a/ 👨‍💻 Where to find Aakash: Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/aakashg0 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aagupta/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aakashg0/ 🔑 Key Takeaways: 1. Discovery isn’t a phase, it’s a system. Atlassian runs product discovery continuously, not just “before development.” It’s embedded across problem finding, prototyping, building, and post-launch. 2. Use video, not documents, to communicate user pain. Instead of writing long research summaries, PMs compile 10-minute reels of real customer interviews. Watching raw emotion builds urgency and alignment. 3. Start with ~10 users, not thousands. Atlassian validates ideas with small, focused user groups. It's faster, cheaper, and more revealing than wide surveys or launches. 4. Prototype with whatever is fastest. From AI tools like V0 to basic Figma slides, the goal is speed. You don’t need polished UIs, you need fast feedback on core concepts. 5. Strong user reactions guide investment. When users say “I need this now,” that’s a green light. Mild interest or polite nods? That’s a warning to dig deeper. 6. Build only once you have real pull. They don’t move into development (“Make” stage) until a prototype has strong qualitative validation. Code follows conviction. 7. PMs rotate weekly to tag and analyze feedback. Every week, one PM owns triaging incoming feedback, tagging it to ideas, and surfacing themes. Discovery is part of the rhythm — not a side project. 8. Real discovery requires exposure, not summaries. Dashboards, sanitized reports, and secondhand quotes are not enough. PMs must stay close to raw user input — live or recorded. #productdiscovery #ai #atlassianjira #atlassian 🧠 About Product Growth: The world's largest podcast focused solely on product + growth, with over 175K listeners. Hosted by Aakash Gupta, who spent 16 years in PM, rising to VP of product, this 2x/ week show covers product and growth topics in depth. 🔔 Subscribe and like the video to support our content! And turn on the bell for notifications.

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

A practical four-stage discovery system for AI-enabled product teams today

  1. The team uses a shared four-stage vocabulary—Wonder, Explore, Make, Impact—to align stakeholders on where an idea truly is and what kind of help or decisions are appropriate at each stage.
  2. In Wonder, they rapidly build empathy and clarity through ~10+ customer interviews, using short curated video clips (not polished prose) to transmit urgency and nuance across the team.
  3. In Explore, they validate solutions with low-fidelity prototypes (sometimes just a slide) and iterate with the same customers until users can explicitly explain how the concept solves the problem.
  4. In Make, they still “do discovery” by shipping progressively to small cohorts (10→100→1000) using a safety-funnel mindset to avoid bad early experiences that are hard to recover from.
  5. They operationalize continuous discovery via tooling and habits (weekly PM rotation for feedback triage, Dovetail/Loom/Gong/Pendo/community/Slack), and use AI to accelerate retrieval and synthesis without replacing direct customer learning.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Create a shared “stage vocabulary” to prevent false certainty and misalignment.

Labeling work as Wonder/Explore/Make/Impact helps everyone understand how mature an idea is and what’s being asked (e.g., dependency help vs. funding vs. scaling plans), reducing confusion across large orgs.

In early discovery, raw customer footage beats polished narratives.

They aim for under ~10 minutes of clips capturing customer emotions and language; watching real users creates urgency and shared understanding more reliably than beautifully written docs.

Stop “performing interviews”; learn by removing leading questions and adding silence.

Crusson emphasizes training from professional researchers: don’t introduce the concept you’re testing (e.g., “feedback”), don’t give options, don’t interrupt, and let users take you where the truth is.

Explore with the cheapest prototype that can trigger real user reactions.

Their earliest JPD validation was literally a slide; later prototypes evolved in Figma and now can be made interactive quickly (e.g., with Lovable) to test comprehension and value before writing code.

Don’t scale exposure until you can protect users from a bad first experience.

Using a “safety funnel,” they onboard cohorts gradually (10→100→1000) to ensure CSAT and fit before broad release, because early negative experiences make it hard to win users back.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Honestly, if there's one investment you could make that could change your life as a PM is find a real user researcher, someone who does that as a trade, and ask them for training.

Tanguy Crusson

I used to think I was amazing at user interviews... and she said, "Yeah, you... I know you're very proud of those 50 user interviews you did. Dude, I can tell you, you didn't learn a thing."

Tanguy Crusson

Otherwise, I can promise you that you are going to have many conversations, and it's gonna prove what you think is right.

Tanguy Crusson

Embrace that messiness. It's fine... It's like if you take a bottle of water and you put sand in it and you shake everything... And eventually the sand will settle, and you're gonna see through.

Tanguy Crusson

As a PM, AI or no AI, you're gonna beat every other competitor if you learn faster than them and if you know more about your customers.

Tanguy Crusson

Wonder / Explore / Make / Impact discovery modelCurated customer-video evidence vs. long written docsUser interview technique (non-leading questions, silence)Rapid prototyping (slides, Figma, Lovable)Safety funnel vs. growth funnel rollout strategyContinuous feedback system (community, in-app, support queue, Slack)AI’s role in discovery (search, tagging, summarizing, clipping)

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