How To Change Your Life with UnJaded Jade & Ali Abdaal

1. 0:00 – 1:54

   Intro

   1. AAAli Abdaal0:00

      Hello, and welcome to Deep Dive, the podcast that delves into the minds of entrepreneurs, creators, and other inspiring people to uncover their journeys towards finding joy and fulfillment at work and in life. My name is Ali, and in each episode, I chat to my guests about the philosophies, strategies, and tools that have helped them along the path to living a life of happiness and meaning. This week, I chatted to YouTuber, content creator, and now best-selling author, Jade. In the episode, we have a very productive conversation about finding balance within hustle culture, motivation, book writing, reshaping the definition of career, the law of attraction, opinions around toxic productivity, and much, much more.

   2. UJUnJaded Jade0:35

      You know, we love a side hustle. It's great, but not at the detriment of killing yourself [laughs] in the process.

   3. AAAli Abdaal0:41

      Yeah. You'll leave this episode with techniques for living with intention, including Jade's #casualmagic mantra, a ton of study techniques and productivity hacks, and a little more perspective about what it really means to live a productive and meaningful life and career. Jade, how you doing? Welcome to the podcast.

   4. UJUnJaded Jade0:56

      I'm doing good. Thank you for having me.

   5. AAAli Abdaal0:58

      You're very welcome.

   6. UJUnJaded Jade0:58

      This is so strange because I have seen this setup for years, and now here I am.

   7. AAAli Abdaal1:02

      Here we are, yeah. Last time we spoke was about a year ago-

   8. UJUnJaded Jade1:06

      Yeah

   9. AAAli Abdaal1:06

      ... maybe more, more than a year ago, um, on, like, a live stream, and so this is the first time we're meeting in the flesh-

   10. UJUnJaded Jade1:12

       I know

   11. AAAli Abdaal1:12

       ... in 3D.

   12. UJUnJaded Jade1:13

       You in 3D. [laughs]

   13. AAAli Abdaal1:14

       Me in 3D, yeah. [laughs]

   14. UJUnJaded Jade1:15

       Yeah.

   15. AAAli Abdaal1:15

       And you've been kinda jet-setting all around the world, like Korea and San Francisco and Berlin and stuff, and now you're in the UK for a few weeks.

   16. UJUnJaded Jade1:21

       Yeah.

   17. AAAli Abdaal1:21

       We found time, found time to do this thing.

   18. UJUnJaded Jade1:23

       Yeah.

   19. AAAli Abdaal1:23

       How, how has all the traveling been? [laughs]

   20. UJUnJaded Jade1:25

       Oh, gosh. Yeah, so I studied in South Korea last semester, which was amazing. Like, ugh, just so culturally different.

   21. AAAli Abdaal1:33

       Mm.

   22. UJUnJaded Jade1:33

       But it was so nice being able to experience with all my uni friends as well.

   23. AAAli Abdaal1:37

       Awesome. Um, I feel like... Also, there's some people watching this or listening to this might not know who you are, so I wonder if we do a quick kind of dive into your backstory.

   24. UJUnJaded Jade1:44

       Sure.

   25. AAAli Abdaal1:44

       And then we'll come along to talking about this, this bad boy, um, the book. It's such a pretty book. It's, like, so nice. It's, like, so well done.

   26. UJUnJaded Jade1:51

       Thank you.

   27. AAAli Abdaal1:51

       Uh, but we'll, we'll gush about the book in a moment. How would you describe

2. 1:54 – 3:00

   How would you describe what you do?

   1. AAAli Abdaal1:54

      what you do if someone asks you? Like, you go at a party or something and someone's like, "So what do you, what do you do?" How do you, how do you answer that question?

   2. UJUnJaded Jade1:59

      Oh, God. Oh, that's a tough question, actually.

   3. AAAli Abdaal2:01

      It's a tough question, yeah.

   4. UJUnJaded Jade2:02

      Ooh, um, I say, "So I make videos." [laughs]

   5. AAAli Abdaal2:05

      Yeah.

   6. UJUnJaded Jade2:06

      Just short answer. Long answer, um, so I guess I started in a space of YouTube called StudyTube. I feel like most of you are very familiar with StudyTube [laughs] in the productivity space. Um, yeah, and kind of talking about my journey of GCSEs and A-levels, things that help me, study tips, productivity advice-

   7. AAAli Abdaal2:23

      Mm

   8. UJUnJaded Jade2:23

      ... all of that good stuff. Uh, and then I took a gap year, and I vlogged my travels and my journey there. And I think especially as someone who was always, you know, very into academics, it was a big leap out of my comfort zone in my gap year, so it was cool taking people along that journey. And now that I'm at university, I make study content about that, but it also follows just my life and living with intention, and yeah, trying to, trying to inspire people to love themselves, go out of their comfort zone, that kind of thing.

   9. AAAli Abdaal2:54

      That's a pretty good, a pretty good, like, pitch, the trying to inspire people to love themselves, get outside the co- their comfort

3. 3:00 – 9:55

   Starting YouTube, generating ideas & providing value

   1. AAAli Abdaal3:00

      zone. Has it, has it always been that, like, since you started the channel, or has the sort of the thing that you're trying to inspire people to do, has that evolved over time?

   2. UJUnJaded Jade3:08

      Yeah, um, I think when I first started just in the study space, it was a lot more niche. The goal was, you know, just trying to help people feel less stressed about school, so whether that was equipping them with more tools, you know, study techniques, trying to reduce the stress that you feel when you've got an exam coming up. Um, but over time, it's definitely evolved to be more holistic about you as a human, as deep as that sounds. [laughs]

   3. AAAli Abdaal3:32

      Right.

   4. UJUnJaded Jade3:32

      Like, I like to talk about things like loneliness and all these struggles that we find or perfectionism, fear of failure. Yeah, and I guess school is one element of that. But now it's more holistic.

   5. AAAli Abdaal3:44

      How do you decide what you wanna talk about?

   6. UJUnJaded Jade3:46

      Um, okay. So I have, like, a brain dump place on my Notion. No-

   7. AAAli Abdaal3:50

      [laughs]

   8. UJUnJaded Jade3:51

      Love Notion.

   9. AAAli Abdaal3:52

      Same. [laughs]

   10. UJUnJaded Jade3:52

       [laughs]

   11. AAAli Abdaal3:53

       So good.

   12. UJUnJaded Jade3:53

       And I have it on my phone, I have it on my laptop.

   13. AAAli Abdaal3:55

       Yeah.

   14. UJUnJaded Jade3:55

       And whenever I have a random idea or I've read a book or listened to a podcast that just sparks something-

   15. AAAli Abdaal4:00

       Mm

   16. UJUnJaded Jade4:00

       ... I'll just drop it there. And then I kind of... I think similar to you, I have a Kanban board, and I sort of drag ideas-

   17. AAAli Abdaal4:07

       Yeah

   18. UJUnJaded Jade4:07

       ... that are like, okay, this is, like, an actual idea. And whenever I have a dull moment-

   19. AAAli Abdaal4:11

       Mm

   20. UJUnJaded Jade4:11

       ... I sit and sort of script it out. And then when I come to film, I sort of just select from these scripts I've already got.

   21. AAAli Abdaal4:17

       How do you think about this balance between will this video perform well on the stats versus-

   22. UJUnJaded Jade4:22

       Yeah

   23. AAAli Abdaal4:22

       ... is this a video that I wanna make personally?

   24. UJUnJaded Jade4:24

       Oof, it's a tough one, um, 'cause I think as you start to do YouTube, you definitely know what will do better and worse.

   25. AAAli Abdaal4:29

       Mm.

   26. UJUnJaded Jade4:30

       I, I start to think about value and impact, um, in less just a numerical sense but also thinking, okay, this might be a really niche topic, but if you watch this and you got a lot of value from it, like, that should mean more to me than just, you know, like 200K views. So it's kind of this balance between what I really like making, what I think will create the most impact but not necessarily be most, like, widely reaching, and then a few videos which get some new people in, I guess.

   27. AAAli Abdaal5:00

       That's a pretty good way of looking about it, of, of looking at it. I've kinda been thinking similarly as well. Like, we were, we were having a content planning brainstorming session this morning.

   28. UJUnJaded Jade5:08

       Mm.

   29. AAAli Abdaal5:08

       And there were a couple of videos where I was like, I know the video's not gonna do well-

   30. UJUnJaded Jade5:11

       Yeah
4. 9:55 – 13:25

   Dealing with Hate

   1. AAAli Abdaal9:55

      Did you get much kinda hate back in the day?

   2. UJUnJaded Jade9:58

      Oh my God. Do you know what my first ever piece of hate was? It sounds so stupid now that I say it. Um, so someone said that I look like a horse. [laughs]

   3. AAAli Abdaal10:06

      [laughs]

   4. UJUnJaded Jade10:08

      Which I-

   5. AAAli Abdaal10:08

      That was gonna end differently. [laughs]

   6. UJUnJaded Jade10:09

      You know? Like, oh, like, "You have such a horse face." Which would've been fine, right?

   7. AAAli Abdaal10:13

      Yeah.

   8. UJUnJaded Jade10:13

      Like receiving that once. But then they started commenting on every single video like, "Oh, hey horse face." Like, "Oh, your nose just looks like a horse." [laughs] And it actually really got to me and I remember, um, I would like look at myself in the mirror and be like, "Do I look like a horse?"

   9. AAAli Abdaal10:29

      Mm.

   10. UJUnJaded Jade10:29

       Um, yeah, so I think, you know, when you're not accustomed to receiving online hate-

   11. AAAli Abdaal10:33

       Yeah

   12. UJUnJaded Jade10:33

       ... just like anything mildly negative is really new and weird. But yeah, I think over time you numb yourself to it [laughs] a little bit.

   13. AAAli Abdaal10:41

       Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's four years on now. Your channel is like-

   14. UJUnJaded Jade10:44

       Yeah

   15. AAAli Abdaal10:44

       ... absolutely enormous and like ridiculously successful by any sort of-

   16. UJUnJaded Jade10:48

       Aw

   17. AAAli Abdaal10:48

       ... reasonable metrics. Um, how do you think about the hate aspect of it these days? Like do you get much hate these days?

   18. UJUnJaded Jade10:54

       I think it like fluctuates.

   19. AAAli Abdaal10:56

       Yeah.

   20. UJUnJaded Jade10:56

       But of course it's always gonna be there. It's been there since the start.

   21. AAAli Abdaal10:59

       Mm.

   22. UJUnJaded Jade11:00

       Less horse face comments now. [laughs]

   23. AAAli Abdaal11:02

       Okay. Yeah.

   24. UJUnJaded Jade11:02

       Um, yeah. I think part of it is like just thinking about all the positive people that you're impacting-

   25. AAAli Abdaal11:09

       Mm

   26. UJUnJaded Jade11:09

       ... and trying to like remember in those moments where you get, you know, 10 comments which are hateful, that you have 1,000 of people-

   27. AAAli Abdaal11:17

       Mm

   28. UJUnJaded Jade11:17

       ... who, whose life you changed, whose day you changed, who you made smile. Any, any of these moments, um, yeah, like that stuff is more important. But then the brain just out of

   29. AAAli Abdaal11:27

       Yeah

   30. UJUnJaded Jade11:27

       ... nowhere [laughs] decides it's not great, is it? 'Cause it's so funny, you can get 1,000 of those comments and you don't remember them like you do that one bad one.
5. 13:25 – 18:20

   Jade on Writing 'The Only Study Guide You'll Ever Need'

   1. AAAli Abdaal13:25

      to write and publish a book.

   2. UJUnJaded Jade13:26

      Yes.

   3. AAAli Abdaal13:27

      [laughs] How, like-

   4. UJUnJaded Jade13:28

      Ooh

   5. AAAli Abdaal13:28

      ... what was the, how did, how did the, how did this start?

   6. UJUnJaded Jade13:31

      Yeah. Okay. Um, God. Should we go back to the beginning?

   7. AAAli Abdaal13:34

      Let's go back to the beginning.

   8. UJUnJaded Jade13:35

      Okay, cool.

   9. AAAli Abdaal13:35

      Was it August 2020?

   10. UJUnJaded Jade13:37

       Yes. Although, before that-

   11. AAAli Abdaal13:38

       Mm

   12. UJUnJaded Jade13:38

       ... I'd always wanted to write a book in this space.

   13. AAAli Abdaal13:41

       Mm-hmm.

   14. UJUnJaded Jade13:41

       Actually, the first job I ever wanted to have was to be an author, but of fiction. So I've always loved writing.

   15. AAAli Abdaal13:46

       Mm.

   16. UJUnJaded Jade13:46

       I wrote Wattpad fan fiction.

   17. AAAli Abdaal13:48

       Oh, hello.

   18. UJUnJaded Jade13:49

       I was that person. Um [laughs] .

   19. AAAli Abdaal13:50

       Uh, link in the video description.

   20. UJUnJaded Jade13:51

       Oh, no, no thank you. [laughs] Um, oh, my God, it's so tragic. I read it back the other day.

   21. AAAli Abdaal13:56

       Oh, yeah?

   22. UJUnJaded Jade13:56

       It's, it's embarrassing.

   23. AAAli Abdaal13:57

       What, what were you writing fan fiction about?

   24. UJUnJaded Jade13:59

       If I say it, I know people are gonna go find it, but, but it was a cross between the Di- Divergent and The Hunger Games.

   25. AAAli Abdaal14:07

       Okay. Nice.

   26. UJUnJaded Jade14:07

       Yeah.

   27. AAAli Abdaal14:08

       Yeah. Okay.

   28. UJUnJaded Jade14:08

       But with, like, more saucy elements.

   29. AAAli Abdaal14:10

       Okay.

   30. UJUnJaded Jade14:10

       [laughs] No, I'm kidding.
6. 18:20 – 37:41

   Comparing notes on book writing

   1. UJUnJaded Jade18:20

      it.

   2. AAAli Abdaal18:20

      [laughs]

   3. UJUnJaded Jade18:20

      Because I feel like the book for you... Like, I remember watching your video where-

   4. AAAli Abdaal18:25

      Mm

   5. UJUnJaded Jade18:25

      ... you know, you, you sort of gave up on the book.

   6. AAAli Abdaal18:27

      Yeah.

   7. UJUnJaded Jade18:28

      And it was exactly the time that I was, like, crying over how much I was struggling to write my own book, and I felt-

   8. AAAli Abdaal18:34

      Yeah

   9. UJUnJaded Jade18:34

      ... so validated in your video, and I-

   10. AAAli Abdaal18:36

       Ah, yes

   11. UJUnJaded Jade18:36

       ... I honestly wanted to [laughs] give up too at that point. But I could relate to everything you were saying about, you know, your fears of having an audience-

   12. AAAli Abdaal18:43

       Mm

   13. UJUnJaded Jade18:43

       ... and the expectations for it to be really good, and then your personal pressure of wanting it to be, like, a bestseller.

   14. AAAli Abdaal18:48

       Yeah.

   15. UJUnJaded Jade18:49

       Um, like, it's a lot.

   16. AAAli Abdaal18:50

       Y- your's-

   17. UJUnJaded Jade18:51

       But-

   18. AAAli Abdaal18:51

       ... has become a bestseller now, hasn't it?

   19. UJUnJaded Jade18:52

       Yeah, I was a-

   20. AAAli Abdaal18:52

       I saw it was a title of your... Yeah

   21. UJUnJaded Jade18:54

       ... mad.

   22. AAAli Abdaal18:54

       That's, that's really cool.

   23. UJUnJaded Jade18:55

       It's really cool, and unexpected, and I wasn't going for that.

   24. AAAli Abdaal18:58

       Okay.

   25. UJUnJaded Jade18:59

       [laughs]

   26. AAAli Abdaal18:59

       So it, it, it's kinda nice when it happens.

   27. UJUnJaded Jade19:01

       Yeah.

   28. AAAli Abdaal19:01

       Oh, were you, were, were you actually not going for that, or were you, like, sort of semi-

   29. UJUnJaded Jade19:04

       I-

   30. AAAli Abdaal19:04

       ... going for it and, like, trying to convince yourself you want it? 'Cause that's sort of what I do. [laughs]
7. 37:41 – 40:55

   Failure, Motivation & Mindset

   1. UJUnJaded Jade37:41

      Yes.

   2. AAAli Abdaal37:42

      Um, what's the sort of the thesis of, of... Or what, what, what's your thesis about motivation? [laughs]

   3. UJUnJaded Jade37:48

      Oof. [laughs] My God. Big questions, Ali.

   4. AAAli Abdaal37:51

      Yeah. [laughs]

   5. UJUnJaded Jade37:51

      Um, okay. So in this chapter, I s- ... Well, the first line, I think, captures it. When I got a D in my first A-level chemistry test, I convinced myself that it was bad luck. And I sort of first dig into sort of failure-

   6. AAAli Abdaal38:08

      Mm

   7. UJUnJaded Jade38:08

      ... and how that's really unmotivational, and then breaking down what kept me trying after I had this horrible experience with a teacher that was just not good. And, um, in my chemistry class, it went from like 28 students to nine students the next year because of, you know, issues with the school. And that was a, a point in my life where I really felt like giving up on this subject and how I eventually found motivation.

   8. AAAli Abdaal38:33

      Mm.

   9. UJUnJaded Jade38:34

      Um, I'm also conscious that you believe motivation is a myth.

   10. AAAli Abdaal38:37

       Oh, that's just a title of a video, but-

   11. UJUnJaded Jade38:39

       But... [laughs]

   12. AAAli Abdaal38:39

       Yeah. [laughs] I don't actually believe motivation's a myth. [laughs]

   13. UJUnJaded Jade38:42

       So-

   14. AAAli Abdaal38:43

       Yeah

   15. UJUnJaded Jade38:43

       ... I mean, so yeah, so I sort of dig into this idea of what gets you motivated is having a why of some kind.

   16. AAAli Abdaal38:49

       Okay.

   17. UJUnJaded Jade38:49

       Whether that is, you know, a long-term goal of somewhere-

   18. AAAli Abdaal38:51

       Mm

   19. UJUnJaded Jade38:51

       ... you wanna end up. Um, you can have like an extrinsic source of motivation-

   20. AAAli Abdaal38:56

       Mm

   21. UJUnJaded Jade38:56

       ... which is something like a grade you're trying to achieve or a university you're trying to get into. Um, but also trying to find this intrinsic sense of why is it you're studying. Like, what is interesting about these subjects? Even if you can't find anything naturally-

   22. AAAli Abdaal39:09

       Mm

   23. UJUnJaded Jade39:09

       ... you need to convince yourself that there's something interesting about this. Like these maths problems are the basis of so many incredible things that maybe you are interested in.

   24. AAAli Abdaal39:19

       Okay.

   25. UJUnJaded Jade39:20

       Um, and then, yeah, using that motivation to then put the systems into your life, which I then dig into for the rest of the book.

   26. AAAli Abdaal39:27

       Okay. So, so it sounds like y- if, if, if something is like dull on the surface, you're saying that we can like essentially talk ourselves into thinking it's less dull?

   27. UJUnJaded Jade39:40

       Yes.

   28. AAAli Abdaal39:40

       And that ex- gives sort of the spark of motivation, which then once you build the systems, then you can stop relying on motivation? Like how, how, how does it work?

   29. UJUnJaded Jade39:47

       Um, kind of, yes.

   30. AAAli Abdaal39:48

       Okay.
8. 40:55 – 44:29

   Study Techniques: Spaced Repetition, Active Recall & Blurting

   1. AAAli Abdaal40:55

      how we learn, and I s- I, I noticed that there was a cheeky forgetting curve somewhere in there.

   2. UJUnJaded Jade40:59

      Yes. I think there's also, um, I could be wrong, but a little, uh, contribution-

   3. AAAli Abdaal41:03

      There is [laughs]

   4. UJUnJaded Jade41:04

      ... from, um, someone. [laughs]

   5. AAAli Abdaal41:06

      Yes. Uh, I, I, I was, I was flicking through this and I, I came, I s- I saw forgetting curve, and then I stumbled across my contribution like a little bit, a little bit later. Um, what is the forgetting curve for those-

   6. UJUnJaded Jade41:16

      Oh, my

   7. AAAli Abdaal41:16

      ... of us unfamiliar? [laughs]

   8. UJUnJaded Jade41:18

      I feel like everyone on your channel is very-

   9. AAAli Abdaal41:19

      [laughs]

   10. UJUnJaded Jade41:20

       ... familiar with the forgetting curve. Okay. So there's a guy called Hermann Ebbinghaus. He's, uh, a good friend of ours.

   11. AAAli Abdaal41:26

       [laughs] Yep.

   12. UJUnJaded Jade41:27

       Um, yeah. And he basically did loads of studies about human memory and found out that, you know, when you, when you're learning something, uh, after a certain period of time of not reviewing it, your memory decays exponentially. But if you review the same bit of information at regularly increasing intervals, you can boost your retention back up to that 100%, which is why we have something called [laughs] spaced repetition-

   13. AAAli Abdaal41:53

       [laughs]

   14. UJUnJaded Jade41:54

       ... which I feel like is like, I don't know, as your brand, half your brand, Ali, is spaced repetition. Um, yeah, so which is the idea that you review information at these regular intervals to combat that forgetting curve.

   15. AAAli Abdaal42:07

       How do you personally recommend/do you personally organize your, like, spaced repetition timetable? Like, how do you-

   16. UJUnJaded Jade42:13

       Yes

   17. AAAli Abdaal42:13

       ... how do you, how do you do it?

   18. UJUnJaded Jade42:14

       Okay. So I use Anki-

   19. AAAli Abdaal42:15

       Yeah

   20. UJUnJaded Jade42:16

       ... the, which is like a flashcard service that effectively does it for you. I always also use Quizlet.

   21. AAAli Abdaal42:20

       Mm.

   22. UJUnJaded Jade42:20

       Um, but I actually have a spreadsheet-

   23. AAAli Abdaal42:22

       Mm

   24. UJUnJaded Jade42:22

       ... which is great. Um, I also use... So I, I have Notion for, like, my timetabling of my life, but I also have a spreadsheet for all my different university chapters, and, and then I use Anki.

   25. AAAli Abdaal42:33

       Okay. So do you have stuff that is, like, not... Because Anki is very sort of like one bite-

   26. UJUnJaded Jade42:39

       Mm-hmm

   27. AAAli Abdaal42:40

       ... at a time type stuff.

   28. UJUnJaded Jade42:42

       Yes.

   29. AAAli Abdaal42:42

       What about more, like, conceptual stuff or-

   30. UJUnJaded Jade42:44

       Mm-hmm
9. 44:29 – 47:14

   Productivity Hacks

   1. AAAli Abdaal44:29

      by productivity hacks, chapter six.

   2. UJUnJaded Jade44:31

      Mm-hmm.

   3. AAAli Abdaal44:31

      Um, this is sort of up my street. Like, what, what would you say are the, are the key productivity hacks that you found, that you found helpful?

   4. UJUnJaded Jade44:37

      Yes. Um, so I kind of, after having re- read so many different productivity books-

   5. AAAli Abdaal44:43

      Yeah

   6. UJUnJaded Jade44:43

      ... I wanted to break it down to the most simple that a student who doesn't have time to read a thousand things on productivity-

   7. AAAli Abdaal44:51

      Yeah

   8. UJUnJaded Jade44:51

      ... could just easily implement. And a lot of this is based off of the Pomodoro Technique.

   9. AAAli Abdaal44:55

      Yeah.

   10. UJUnJaded Jade44:56

       Um, I'm sure you guys are familiar with this [laughs] if you're into the productivity space, but the idea that, you know, you set a timer, you choose one task, focus on it for 25 minutes, and then give yourself a break. Um, I think that's just an amazing one to beat procrastination, to be more productive. And also, I actually, I think I quoted one of your, your productivity equations.

   11. AAAli Abdaal45:17

       You have, actually. Yeah. I, I was-

   12. UJUnJaded Jade45:18

       But I think I-

   13. AAAli Abdaal45:19

       ... just flicking through this chapter and I saw that. Oh.

   14. UJUnJaded Jade45:21

       But I think I also-

   15. AAAli Abdaal45:22

       Yeah

   16. UJUnJaded Jade45:22

       ... yeah, I added something to it.

   17. AAAli Abdaal45:23

       You've, like, added to it. Yeah.

   18. UJUnJaded Jade45:24

       Yeah.

   19. AAAli Abdaal45:24

       It's, it's very interesting.

   20. UJUnJaded Jade45:25

       Yeah.

   21. AAAli Abdaal45:25

       So what, so what's your productivity equation?

   22. UJUnJaded Jade45:27

       Okay, so my productivity equation is, well, maybe the cl- I'll go back to the classic one.

   23. AAAli Abdaal45:31

       Yeah. Sure. [laughs]

   24. UJUnJaded Jade45:32

       So the classic productivity equation is obviously output over time. So in a factory, you know, you're trying to produce the most products in the least amount of time or using the least amount of resources.

   25. AAAli Abdaal45:43

       Mm.

   26. UJUnJaded Jade45:43

       And what I added to this is if you multiply it by focus and forethought, I think that is, that's how you [laughs] are the most productive.

   27. AAAli Abdaal45:53

       Yeah.

   28. UJUnJaded Jade45:53

       And then the whole chapter is based off of around this equation.

   29. AAAli Abdaal45:57

       Mm.

   30. UJUnJaded Jade45:57

       So the idea that if you can reach this level of deep focus, whether that is having sanctity of space, like for me going to my cafe, deciding actively that I'm gonna turn off my phone-
10. 47:14 – 50:37

    Toxic Productivity

    1. AAAli Abdaal47:14

       like, toxic productivity? It's a-

    2. UJUnJaded Jade47:16

       Oh

    3. AAAli Abdaal47:16

       ... it's a word that gets bandied about quite a lot. Um-

    4. UJUnJaded Jade47:18

       Yeah.

    5. AAAli Abdaal47:18

       Yeah.

    6. UJUnJaded Jade47:19

       No, it's a really good thing. Um, this is what I talk about in, I'd say, the second half of my book.

    7. AAAli Abdaal47:24

       Mm.

    8. UJUnJaded Jade47:25

       Like, all the stuff about mental health, um, perfectionism, hustle culture, all of that falls into toxic productivity.

    9. AAAli Abdaal47:32

       Mm.

    10. UJUnJaded Jade47:32

        Um, I think it's people misusing the idea of productive.

    11. AAAli Abdaal47:36

        Mm.

    12. UJUnJaded Jade47:36

        Productivity is spending your time well.

    13. AAAli Abdaal47:39

        Yeah. [laughs]

    14. UJUnJaded Jade47:39

        That-

    15. AAAli Abdaal47:40

        I agree. [laughs]

    16. UJUnJaded Jade47:40

        That's literally the definition, right?

    17. AAAli Abdaal47:42

        Yeah.

    18. UJUnJaded Jade47:42

        And that doesn't mean sitting and revising for-

    19. AAAli Abdaal47:46

        Yeah

    20. UJUnJaded Jade47:46

        ... 10 hours, which is what productivity has often come to be associated with.

    21. AAAli Abdaal47:50

        Mm.

    22. UJUnJaded Jade47:50

        And I think if you reshape it to view productivity as just spending your time well, whether that's in for enjoyment, resetting, self care-

    23. AAAli Abdaal47:59

        Mm

    24. UJUnJaded Jade47:59

        ... then there almost isn't a toxic productivity. It's just you're not spending your time-

    25. AAAli Abdaal48:04

        Yeah

    26. UJUnJaded Jade48:04

        ... in the best ways for you. Um, yeah, and I think it is so important for young people to take more time for things like mindfulness-

    27. AAAli Abdaal48:13

        Mm

    28. UJUnJaded Jade48:13

        ... where you, like, totally switch off from the internet. And, uh, in the chapters talking about exam season, um- You know, y- you're kind of like a warrior going into a battle, and when, when a warrior is, like a, when a soldier is going into battle, they're thinking about their diet, they're, they're thinking about the levels of rest they get. You know, and a good night's sleep before all of these things. And when you're in exam season, you start to do the same. And one of the most productive things you can do is looking after yourself. So-

    29. AAAli Abdaal48:40

        Yeah. I some-

    30. UJUnJaded Jade48:40

        Yeah
11. 50:37 – 1:00:41

    Hustle Culture, Planning Self Care & Economic Output

    1. AAAli Abdaal50:37

       what do you, how, how would you define hustle culture? You mentioned that-

    2. UJUnJaded Jade50:40

       Oh, yes. Um-

    3. AAAli Abdaal50:41

       What, what's the deal with that? [laughs]

    4. UJUnJaded Jade50:43

       Okay. Wow. This is a, this is a big topic.

    5. AAAli Abdaal50:46

       Mm.

    6. UJUnJaded Jade50:47

       I feel like we have just been trained our whole lives to value things with output that's tangible.

    7. AAAli Abdaal50:52

       Yeah. [laughs]

    8. UJUnJaded Jade50:53

       So, you know, the, whether that is a grade, that is the university that you're going to, the work you're gonna get for a paycheck, like all of that has some kind of goal-

    9. AAAli Abdaal51:02

       Mm

    10. UJUnJaded Jade51:02

        ... you can work towards. And so anything like self-care, where the thing that you're achieving isn't tangible, we just don't value. You know, when, when that's looking after your mental health, it's not tangible output, so you don't put the same time and energy into it. Um, and that's so toxic.

    11. AAAli Abdaal51:18

        Mm.

    12. UJUnJaded Jade51:18

        We've got this culture where it's like everyone wants a side hustle, which-

    13. AAAli Abdaal51:21

        Mm

    14. UJUnJaded Jade51:21

        ... you know, we love a side hustle, it's great, but not at the detriment of killing yourself [laughs] in the process-

    15. AAAli Abdaal51:28

        Yeah

    16. UJUnJaded Jade51:28

        ... 'cause that takes out the fun. That takes out the productivity-

    17. AAAli Abdaal51:31

        Yeah

    18. UJUnJaded Jade51:31

        ... all of it. Um, yeah.

    19. AAAli Abdaal51:34

        Yeah. This is something that like I often struggle with. It's very much a fa- a first world problem, um, where I will feel guilty when I'm not doing something that generates economic output. [laughs]

    20. UJUnJaded Jade51:46

        Mm.

    21. AAAli Abdaal51:47

        Like in, in, in the last few days I got the new Ratchet & Clank game on the PlayStation. This is, you know, a game I used to play a lot when I was like between the ages of eight and 13. And it's been really nice just spending an hour in the evenings just like shooting some people with like this-

    22. UJUnJaded Jade52:02

        [laughs]

    23. AAAli Abdaal52:02

        ... cartoon cat thing.

    24. UJUnJaded Jade52:03

        I can't relate, but cool.

    25. AAAli Abdaal52:04

        It's really good.

    26. UJUnJaded Jade52:05

        [laughs]

    27. AAAli Abdaal52:05

        It's like a very kind of childish game. Um, but I've hi- historically been like, uh, sort of flip-flopped between like anti-video game and pro-video game. Anti-video game because it's a waste of time that, you know, is, is not generating economic output. Pro-video game precisely because it's a waste of time that doesn't generate-

    28. UJUnJaded Jade52:21

        Mm

    29. AAAli Abdaal52:21

        ... economic output-

    30. UJUnJaded Jade52:21

        Yeah
12. 1:00:41 – 1:04:26

    Business Management & Hierarchy

    1. UJUnJaded Jade1:00:41

       you saying that you were reading a lot more books in the business space. Has that been helping you a lot?

    2. AAAli Abdaal1:00:44

       Oh, yeah. Yeah.

    3. UJUnJaded Jade1:00:45

       Yeah.

    4. AAAli Abdaal1:00:45

       Every time, feel like every time I read a new business book, I'm like, "Damn, I wish I'd discovered this sooner."

    5. UJUnJaded Jade1:00:48

       [laughs]

    6. AAAli Abdaal1:00:49

       Um, because again, like a few years ago, I would've been like, "Oh, business books. What a waste of time." Like-

    7. UJUnJaded Jade1:00:52

       Mm. [laughs]

    8. AAAli Abdaal1:00:53

       [laughs] You learn business by doing business.

    9. UJUnJaded Jade1:00:54

       [laughs]

    10. AAAli Abdaal1:00:55

        And I was like, oh, actually [laughs] -

    11. UJUnJaded Jade1:00:56

        It's all-

    12. AAAli Abdaal1:00:56

        ... you know, these guys, these guys with like 40 years of experience running-

    13. UJUnJaded Jade1:00:59

        Yes

    14. AAAli Abdaal1:00:59

        ... like they know what they're talking about. This is some good advice. Um, so now I'm finding that-

    15. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:05

        Something-

    16. AAAli Abdaal1:01:05

        Yeah

    17. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:06

        ... I'm interested in-

    18. AAAli Abdaal1:01:06

        Mm

    19. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:06

        ... is your idea of hierarchy-

    20. AAAli Abdaal1:01:09

        Oh

    21. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:09

        ... in your business.

    22. AAAli Abdaal1:01:09

        Okay. Yeah.

    23. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:10

        Do you feel like a superior to the people you're working with a lot of the time? Is it like, does it feel like you're almost friends, and then you're bouncing ideas off of each other? Like, how do you think about it? And I don't know if you've heard of, like holacracy or more-

    24. AAAli Abdaal1:01:24

        Oh, no. What's that?

    25. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:25

        Oh, we can talk about that after.

    26. AAAli Abdaal1:01:26

        Okay. [laughs]

    27. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:27

        [laughs]

    28. AAAli Abdaal1:01:28

        Um, okay, how do I feel about hierarchy? I don't feel like a superior in any way.

    29. UJUnJaded Jade1:01:32

        Mm-hmm.

    30. AAAli Abdaal1:01:33

        Um, in fact, I, and I, I very much see us all as, you know, we're all friends/we're on the same team kind of thing, but at the same time, there is that thing of I have... I, I know I need to communicate like an expectation of what like, of what I want and what success looks like.
13. 1:04:26 – 1:10:15

    Fearing the algorithm

    1. AAAli Abdaal1:04:26

       that, and I, I, so th- th- this is my thought process with this-

    2. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:29

       Mm-hmm

    3. AAAli Abdaal1:04:29

       ... that like I have hit the jackpot. My-

    4. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:33

       Yeah

    5. AAAli Abdaal1:04:33

       ... I got, I, right place, right time. The YouTube channel took, took off. I really don't wanna screw this up.

    6. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:38

       Mm-hmm.

    7. AAAli Abdaal1:04:38

       The algorithm, anything could happen to my channel. Anything could happen to algorithm. If I stop uploading videos at a cadence of two videos per week, something bad is gonna happen. And-

    8. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:45

       Are you-

    9. AAAli Abdaal1:04:46

       ... I don't want that something bad to happen

    10. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:47

        ... speaking from experience? [laughs]

    11. AAAli Abdaal1:04:49

        [laughs] And therefore, given that I don't want something bad to happen-

    12. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:51

        But then you've chained to the algorithm.

    13. AAAli Abdaal1:04:53

        Exactly. Yeah. That-

    14. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:54

        Yeah

    15. AAAli Abdaal1:04:55

        ... it, it seems like you have, like shed the chains of the algorithm.

    16. UJUnJaded Jade1:04:59

        I think I have.

    17. AAAli Abdaal1:04:59

        At least that's what it looks like on the outside. How-

    18. UJUnJaded Jade1:05:00

        I think I have. Yeah.

    19. AAAli Abdaal1:05:01

        How did, how did you do it?

    20. UJUnJaded Jade1:05:03

        Defining your priorities in life.

    21. AAAli Abdaal1:05:05

        Okay.

    22. UJUnJaded Jade1:05:06

        If your priorities are just numerical success-

    23. AAAli Abdaal1:05:09

        Mm

    24. UJUnJaded Jade1:05:09

        ... for your whole life, then brilliant. But for me, I know that my human fulfillment [laughs] -

    25. AAAli Abdaal1:05:16

        Mm

    26. UJUnJaded Jade1:05:16

        ... does not just come from YouTube. And yes, when I'm succeeding, it's brilliant. I feel great. You know, like, it's just this, it's like, I don't know how to describe it. It's like this thing in the background that like I know it's all going good, you know-

    27. AAAli Abdaal1:05:26

        Yeah

    28. UJUnJaded Jade1:05:26

        ... with the algorithm. Um, but in the times of my life where I've only focused on YouTube and I've been doing the best with the algorithm is sometimes when I'm the least happy because I'm not putting the same energy into relationships in my life, into-

    29. AAAli Abdaal1:05:41

        Mm

    30. UJUnJaded Jade1:05:41

        ... I don't know, just learning about myself through other activities. Um, so I define that as a priority for myself, is while I'm at university, I wanna have the space to not just be a YouTuber and to be messy and, you know, an element of like being a bit chaotic at uni means I can't do you- do YouTube to the same extent as if I was just focusing on it. Um-
14. 1:10:15 – 1:14:16

    On Solo Travelling

    1. UJUnJaded Jade1:10:15

       so many things.

    2. AAAli Abdaal1:10:15

       Okay.

    3. UJUnJaded Jade1:10:15

       It's a lot of emotions.

    4. AAAli Abdaal1:10:16

       Right.

    5. UJUnJaded Jade1:10:17

       Um, it's incredible. You find, uh... Like, my concept of home has shifted a lot, because you, you do find a home in this place.

    6. AAAli Abdaal1:10:25

       Mm.

    7. UJUnJaded Jade1:10:25

       Like, I don't know, I leave a piece of my heart wherever I go, I swear.

    8. AAAli Abdaal1:10:28

       Yeah.

    9. UJUnJaded Jade1:10:28

       Like, all these cities around the world.

    10. AAAli Abdaal1:10:29

        Yeah.

    11. UJUnJaded Jade1:10:30

        Um, yeah, and y- I, I dunno, I've kind of developed this routine of first month is gonna be really tough. Everything is new, the language, the culture-

    12. AAAli Abdaal1:10:39

        Mm

    13. UJUnJaded Jade1:10:39

        ... the people. All of it is just, like, totally out of your comfort zone. Second month, things get a little bit easier. You're developing a routine. And then third month is just sweet spot. Like, every... Life is just amazing. You've found... Like, it's like honeymoon, you know? You've got your routines, you understand this place. And then the fourth month is still good, but, like, I'm learning to leave and leave it behind, so it's, like, bittersweet. Um, yes. So it's, it's good, but then I also sometimes feel this lack of stability in moving a lot.

    14. AAAli Abdaal1:11:09

        Okay.

    15. UJUnJaded Jade1:11:09

        'Cause it's... You know, I, I get to experience these amazing places, but then I know it's always gonna be for a short time.

    16. AAAli Abdaal1:11:16

        Okay. Is that b- m- m- because of the university thing keeping you moving? Okay. Do you think you'd, w- once you graduate, you'd wanna continue the sort of traveling, living in a new place every four to six months sort of lifestyle?

    17. UJUnJaded Jade1:11:28

        Mm.

    18. AAAli Abdaal1:11:29

        Or has it gone out of your system, so, like... Yeah.

    19. UJUnJaded Jade1:11:32

        Yeah. Good question. Um, I don't know, if I'm honest. I think part of me wants stability and, like, friends in one place. [laughs]

    20. AAAli Abdaal1:11:40

        Yeah.

    21. UJUnJaded Jade1:11:40

        Yeah. Um, but at the same time, it's so amazing. Like, the whole slow travel thing-

    22. AAAli Abdaal1:11:46

        Mm

    23. UJUnJaded Jade1:11:46

        ... where you live in a new place. Um, you just learn so much about yourself really quickly. Like, every place you go is so different, um, and, like, forces a different version of yourself, I feel.

    24. AAAli Abdaal1:11:56

        Wh- what do you mean you learn about yourself?

    25. UJUnJaded Jade1:11:58

        Okay. Um, so for example, Berlin and Seoul I think are two of the most different places you could be in. Like, Berlin is, like, r- I don't know, so individualistic [laughs] like-

    26. AAAli Abdaal1:12:10

        Okay

    27. UJUnJaded Jade1:12:10

        ... as in like you're, you're in the street, people don't care what they wear, and I love it. You know, people could just be like wearing a bin bag or wearing a suit, and everyone will look at you exactly the same. People play their music super loud, and, and that's just them living their life. And people will, you know, sometimes just, like, dance in the street to the music, and everything's just very free. Um, whereas in Seoul, it's, you know, it's very respectful culture. You have to be a lot kinda quieter and sort of keep to yourself.

    28. AAAli Abdaal1:12:37

        Yeah.

    29. UJUnJaded Jade1:12:37

        And it's sort of, it's got this collectivistic thing, and I'd never lived in, in a place I like either of those two. Um, so in Berlin, it sort of taught me I could, I could, you know, take up more space and experiment with my fashion and-

    30. AAAli Abdaal1:12:51

        Okay
15. 1:14:16 – 1:18:10

    Planning your life & career

    1. AAAli Abdaal1:14:16

       How do you think about this, this concept of, like, career and this thing of like-

    2. UJUnJaded Jade1:14:20

       Mm-hmm

    3. AAAli Abdaal1:14:21

       ... 'cause m- 'cause my, my, my view on this is that, like, w- what does career even mean? It's like a, like if you're a, if you're a doctor, that's a career. If you're a lawyer-

    4. UJUnJaded Jade1:14:29

       Mm-hmm

    5. AAAli Abdaal1:14:29

       ... that's a career because-

    6. UJUnJaded Jade1:14:30

       Yeah

    7. AAAli Abdaal1:14:30

       ... it's like, oh, there's one thing that you're doing, kind of there's a clear progression. But I feel like for you and for me, maybe, like, the word career doesn't feel quite-

    8. UJUnJaded Jade1:14:39

       Mm

    9. AAAli Abdaal1:14:39

       ... quite right.

    10. UJUnJaded Jade1:14:40

        Yes.

    11. AAAli Abdaal1:14:41

        How, how, how are you thinking about that kinda concept?

    12. UJUnJaded Jade1:14:43

        That's so true. Yeah, career is definitely, like, an old, old time phrase, I think, where the assumption is, you know, you go to one company, and you stay there for your lifetime and work up the hierarchy. But no, I feel like people have multiple careers in their life. That is the new definition of a career. Um, yeah, I think just doing whatever feels right at that time job-wise is probably the best thing. You know, I have friends right now who are graduating and going into random jobs that that's not gonna be their, their long-term career, but no doubt they're gonna go there. They're gonna learn a lot. They're gonna learn what they do, they don't like. They're gonna meet people who are gonna lead them onto other things, and I think that is what we should normalize as a career, is just, just doing things and, you know, throwing... What, what's the expression? Throwing something at a wall?

    13. AAAli Abdaal1:15:31

        Oh, yeah. Throwing spaghetti at the wall.

    14. UJUnJaded Jade1:15:32

        Throwing spaghetti-

    15. AAAli Abdaal1:15:33

        Yeah [laughs]

    16. UJUnJaded Jade1:15:33

        ... at a wall. Yeah. And just if you don't like the career, you change, and YouTube is a, is a, I guess, a phase of our overall careers, which will lead us onto other things.

    17. AAAli Abdaal1:15:43

        Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I find that... So, uh, uh, my mum is fairly old school in her, like, approach to stuff-

    18. UJUnJaded Jade1:15:51

        Mm-hmm

    19. AAAli Abdaal1:15:51

        ... as I, I think, like, a lot of, a lot of parents are. Um, and her whole thing is that, like, you know, that for, for me, that I should have a plan, and the fact that-

    20. UJUnJaded Jade1:15:59

        Mm-hmm

    21. AAAli Abdaal1:16:00

        ... I change my mind every, you know, every f- every few months from what I wanna do is, like, signs that I'm a scatterbrain and, you know, don't have any career-

    22. UJUnJaded Jade1:16:05

        [laughs]

    23. AAAli Abdaal1:16:05

        ... like whatever, whatever. Um, and it's like wh- when I have conversations with her, it's like a part of me wonders should I have more of a plan, like a clearer idea of where I wanna be five years from now? Should I do an Odyssey plan and actually stick to it or [laughs] ... Um, but then the other half is like, ah, well, you know, I'll just, I'll just do what's fun in the moment and what seems to roughly make sense, and things will work out.

    24. UJUnJaded Jade1:16:27

        Mm.

    25. AAAli Abdaal1:16:27

        Um, yeah.

    26. UJUnJaded Jade1:16:28

        So relatable.

    27. AAAli Abdaal1:16:28

        [laughs]

    28. UJUnJaded Jade1:16:29

        Yeah. I, I don't know. I think there are some things you need a plan for, like if you decide you wanna be a doctor, that's something you've got to plan for.

    29. AAAli Abdaal1:16:36

        Mm-hmm.

    30. UJUnJaded Jade1:16:36

        And, and from now to there is, like, a very clear trajectory. Um, but yeah, I know recently I was making like a, a mood board for my life-
16. 1:18:10 – 1:25:06

    Manifestation & The Law of Attraction

    1. AAAli Abdaal1:18:10

       the... So I've read The Secret, uh-

    2. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:12

       I haven't read The Secret.

    3. AAAli Abdaal1:18:13

       Oh, okay, cool.

    4. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:13

       [laughs]

    5. AAAli Abdaal1:18:14

       [laughs] And everyone, everyone I've, I've heard, uh, everyone I've, I've heard speak about The Secret does it in very, like, disparaging terms.

    6. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:19

       Mm-hmm.

    7. AAAli Abdaal1:18:19

       Like, "Oh, this, all this manifestation-

    8. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:20

       Yeah, yeah

    9. AAAli Abdaal1:18:21

       ... stuff is all, is all, like, BS." Um, but you, like, talk about it sincerely.

    10. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:25

        Yes.

    11. AAAli Abdaal1:18:25

        Or it seems to be. Like, what, what is manifestation to you and-

    12. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:28

        Yeah

    13. AAAli Abdaal1:18:28

        ... how does it manifest in your life? [laughs]

    14. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:31

        [laughs]

    15. AAAli Abdaal1:18:31

        As it were.

    16. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:32

        Um, okay. So to me, it's kind of common sense.

    17. AAAli Abdaal1:18:34

        Okay.

    18. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:35

        In, in a way, if you want something-

    19. AAAli Abdaal1:18:38

        Hmm

    20. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:38

        ... you're gonna have to say it out loud, you're gonna have to take actions towards it-

    21. AAAli Abdaal1:18:43

        Hmm

    22. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:43

        ... and you're also gonna probably need a bit of luck because that's how life works, and that's kind of common sense. You know? Like, if you want a, a certain job, if you wanna be a doctor, you've first got to decide that's something you really want.

    23. AAAli Abdaal1:18:55

        Mm-hmm.

    24. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:55

        You've got to be very specific.

    25. AAAli Abdaal1:18:56

        Hmm.

    26. UJUnJaded Jade1:18:57

        Say, "Okay, I probably, in the next five years I'm gonna have to apply for med school. I'm probably gonna want to go to maybe this university." Then you can say it out loud. You can write it down, and it becomes kind of a clearer thought. Um, and then you have to... You s- Wait, let me say that again. Uh, just through, yeah, like, putting it down on paper, you're already thinking about actions-

    27. AAAli Abdaal1:19:17

        Okay

    28. UJUnJaded Jade1:19:17

        ... of how you're gonna go towards that, whether that's, like, working harder for certain grades. And then the element of luck that I guess-

    29. AAAli Abdaal1:19:24

        Yeah

    30. UJUnJaded Jade1:19:24

        ... the law of attraction comes into, you know, you can call it synchronicity, you can call it luck, you can call it the universe, you can call it-
17. 1:25:06 – 1:56:12

    Rapid-Fire

    1. AAAli Abdaal1:25:06

       our, uh, Instagram audience now.

    2. UJUnJaded Jade1:25:07

       Ooh.

    3. AAAli Abdaal1:25:08

       With some potentially rapid-fire-y type questions.

    4. UJUnJaded Jade1:25:10

       Okay.

    5. AAAli Abdaal1:25:11

       Um, th- th- the questions are gonna be rapid, but the answers don't necessarily have to be.

    6. UJUnJaded Jade1:25:15

       Okay, cool.

    7. AAAli Abdaal1:25:15

       And I'd love for you to expand on stuff if you like. Uh, ooh, wonderful. We have, we have categories as well. What is #casualmagic?

    8. UJUnJaded Jade1:25:23

       Ooh. Okay, so casual magic is a concept that I've been practicing for the last few years. The idea is that not every day is gonna be your wedding day or your anniversary, your birthday or, like, an objectively exciting day. But that means that, like, I don't know, the, the rest of your life, the, like, 99.9% of your life is just boring or-

    9. AAAli Abdaal1:25:43

       Mm

    10. UJUnJaded Jade1:25:43

        ... you don't frame it in a way that has that much meaning or gives you that much happiness. So the idea of casual magic is every day finding something really casual in your mundane life that you find magic in. So for example, the way that the light's coming into the room is really beautiful. Or, I don't know, just, like, having a nice tea and just, like, actively noting to yourself like, "This is a nice moment." Like, it's really casual, but a little bit magic. And [laughs] like, after reading so many books on happiness-

    11. AAAli Abdaal1:26:12

        Yeah

    12. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:12

        ... that's sort of one of the, the things I found is it's all about how you personally find meaning, so trying to find meaning every day.

    13. AAAli Abdaal1:26:19

        Nice.

    14. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:20

        [laughs]

    15. AAAli Abdaal1:26:21

        [laughs] So, so wholesome. I love it.

    16. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:22

        People find that so cringey-

    17. AAAli Abdaal1:26:23

        It's so good

    18. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:24

        ... but I just think it's-

    19. AAAli Abdaal1:26:24

        It's not cringey at all. It's great.

    20. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:25

        [laughs]

    21. AAAli Abdaal1:26:26

        Um-

    22. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:26

        What's your casual magic today?

    23. AAAli Abdaal1:26:28

        My casual magic today. Um...

    24. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:34

        Something little that you're grateful for

    25. AAAli Abdaal1:26:35

        Something little that I'm grateful for. I really like these bulbs. We, we, we put these, like-

    26. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:42

        Mm

    27. AAAli Abdaal1:26:43

        ... uh, these, like, little fairy light type things up yesterday 'cause we were having a goodbye leaving party for Sheen.

    28. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:48

        Aw.

    29. AAAli Abdaal1:26:48

        And I think it's just a great vibe.

    30. UJUnJaded Jade1:26:50

        Yeah.

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