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E146: Did the Fed break the VC model? Plus IPOs, M&A, revaluing unicorns & more

(0:00) Bestie intros! (3:05) GOP Primary update: polling, acceptable candidates, tentpole issues (11:56) All-In Summit 2023 recap (24:12) IPOs and M&A heat up: Arm, Instacart, and Klaviyo go public, Cisco acquires Splunk for $28B, but did the "great reopening" fall short? (42:34) Did the Fed break the VC model? How LPs will evaluate fund managers going forward (50:45) Breaking down Instacart and Klaviyo's businesses (1:01:12) Revaluing Airtable and the path forward for ZIRP-era unicorns (1:13:14) Fed pauses rate hikes, but says rates will stay higher for longer, plus: what breaks next in the economy? (1:32:51) Science Corner: new "inverse-vaccine" treatment is a potential game changer for autoimmune diseases Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://linktr.ee/calacanis https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow the pod: https://twitter.com/theallinpod https://linktr.ee/allinpodcast Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/new-hampshire https://youtu.be/yjj1QjZlQMM https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-21/cisco-to-buy-splunk-for-157-a-share-in-28-billion-deal https://twitter.com/pitdesi/status/1704874017357025499 https://www.google.com/finance/quote/ARM:NASDAQ?comparison=NASDAQ%3ACART%2CNYSE%3AKVYO&window=5D https://twitter.com/aswathdamodaran/status/1704246090198036914 https://cloudedjudgement.substack.com/p/clouded-judgement-81823-q2-earnings https://www.lendingtree.com/content/uploads/2023/08/ccs-chart-3-3.jpg https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MORTGAGE30US https://www.ey.com/en_gl/ipo/trends https://stockanalysis.com/ipos/statistics https://www.google.com/finance/quote/COIN:NASDAQ https://www.google.com/finance/quote/EXPE:NASDAQ https://www.axios.com/2023/09/19/instacarts-ipo-venture-capital https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579091/000119312523221345/d55348ds1.htm https://influencermarketinghub.com/amazon-ad-revenue https://twitter.com/jasonlk/status/1704212644402540573 https://www.saastr.com/5-interesting-learnings-from-klaviyo-at-650000000-in-arr https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1078755080478715904 https://i.insider.com/4dd4d1cf4bd7c8c90f000000 https://twitter.com/asanwal/status/1703492397739516068 https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/20/fed-rate-decision-september-2023-.html https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil https://kalshi.com/markets/fed/fed-interest-rates#fed-23nov https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a42558850/tesla-price-cuts-worth-buying https://hellometer.io https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-023-01086-2 #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostChamath PalihapitiyahostDavid FriedberghostGuestguest
Sep 21, 20231h 42mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Higher Rates, Broken IPOs, and Unicorn Resets Reshape Venture Capital Future

  1. The episode blends post-conference debriefs from the All-In Summit with a deep dive into the changing macro environment for tech, IPOs, and venture capital. The hosts argue that recent IPOs like Instacart, Klaviyo, and Arm were poorly structured, signaling that the long-awaited “reopening” of the IPO window is weaker than hoped. They contend that higher-for-longer interest rates, fiscal imbalances, and consumer pressure are forcing a regime shift from capital abundance to capital scarcity, breaking many late-stage VC assumptions and valuations. The discussion also touches on the coming reckoning for overfunded unicorns, platform risk in SaaS, union negotiations, and a promising new scientific approach to autoimmune disease.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The recent IPOs were a weak reopening, not a true market comeback.

Instacart, Klaviyo, and Arm floated small percentages of their equity (often under 10%), spread allocations thinly, imposed no lockups, and quickly traded down to or below issue price. The hosts argue that US bank-led IPOs remain structurally misaligned, designed to favor banks and short-term traders rather than long-term investors or companies.

Higher-for-longer interest rates are permanently repricing tech and venture.

With the Fed signaling rates will stay elevated longer than markets expected, discount rates on future cash flows rise, compressing multiples, especially for unprofitable SaaS and late-stage growth. Founders and VCs must now plan for capital scarcity potentially into 2026 and prioritize efficiency and profitability over growth at all costs.

Late-stage VC has often destroyed value relative to simple index investing.

Using Instacart as a case study, Chamath highlights that many mid- to late-stage investors would have earned more by buying the S&P 500, once you factor in entry price, dilution, and illiquidity. LPs are responding by cutting managers, shifting earlier (seed/Series A), and demanding clear, differentiated edges from funds.

Overfunded unicorns face brutal recaps that pit investors against each other.

Companies like Airtable, with huge preference stacks and valuations far above current public comps, are likely worth less than the money invested into them. Recaps tend to wipe out founder and employee equity, trigger management turnover, and create boardroom warfare between early and late investors, even as new “predatory” money claws in on favorable terms.

Platform dependency is a hidden risk in otherwise excellent SaaS businesses.

Klaviyo is a standout SaaS company—high growth, strong NRR, and capital efficiency—but 70% of its business comes via Shopify. While equity and revenue-sharing deals with Shopify mitigate the “rug pull” risk, investors still must discount for existential dependency on a single platform.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

What could have been different? The banks could have forced these companies to sell up to 20%. They did none of it, and so the result is a lot of downward pressure… the grand reopening was a grand closing.

Chamath Palihapitiya

We’ve gone from a regime of capital abundance to a regime of capital scarcity… and the Fed has dumped a bucket of cold water on the markets.

David Sacks

When people do the calculations on what the true alpha of venture capital is, they’re going to come back with answers like this, which is, it’s not that great.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Most of these unicorns are worth less than their total pref stack.

David Friedberg

Self-esteem should come from achievement and not the opposite, which is that achievement should come from self-esteem.

Larry Summers (as quoted by Chamath)

All-In Summit 2023 recap and standout speakers (Dalio, Summers, Gurley, Allison, Lutke, etc.)Recent IPOs: Instacart, Klaviyo, Arm – structure, performance, and implicationsImpact of higher-for-longer interest rates and fiscal deficits on tech and valuationsUnicorn revaluations, recapitalizations, and LP disillusionment with late-stage VCBusiness model analysis: Instacart, Klaviyo, Shopify’s ecosystem strategy, and AirtableMacro outlook: consumer vs. B2B recessions, auto unions, and potential economic stressNew autoimmune “inverse vaccine” modality and broader implications for biotech

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