E21: Media misalignment, subjects controlling narratives & more with bestie guestie Draymond Green

1. 0:00 – 7:25

   Discussing Sacks' recent hit on Tucker Carlson

   1. CPChamath Palihapitiya0:00

      (singing) Wet your beak. Come wet your beak. Wet your beak. Wet your beak. Ah, ah, ah, ah.

   2. JCJason Calacanis0:05

      Confirming I am recording, testing. I am testing my recording. And here we go.

   3. CPChamath Palihapitiya0:12

      (singing) You gotta wet your beak. Gotta wet your beak.

   4. JCJason Calacanis0:14

      Here we go in three, two...

   5. NANarrator0:18

      What went all in? Let your wits slide. Rain Man, David Sa- What went all in? And I said. We open sourced it to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it. Love you guys. Queen of Quinoa. What went all in?

   6. JCJason Calacanis0:34

      Hey, everybody. It's the All In Podcast. Wet your beak, young Spielberg. Coming at you on a Friday morning.

   7. CPChamath Palihapitiya0:42

      (singing) Wet your beak. Gotta wet your beak.

   8. JCJason Calacanis0:42

      Afternoon drive time, the number 11 podcast in the world. It's the All In Podcast with the Queen of Quinoa, David Friedberg, Rain Man himself, with his hot new track from young Spielberg, I Am the Rain Man, David Sachs. And of course, wetting his beak, the absolute dictator, wetting his beak with his merch, merch game is strong, Chamath Palihapitiya. How's everybody doing on the backs of us becoming the number 11 podcast in the world?

   9. DFDavid Friedberg1:20

      Really good. Really, really good.

   10. JCJason Calacanis1:21

       Wow, look at that enthusiasm. (laughs)

   11. DFDavid Friedberg1:23

       Really great. No, I think we had an intermittent, uh, uh, uh, Sachiepoo is not... Apparently, he, uh... With, with all these, with all his week, uh, beak wetting, he hasn't had time to pay the internet bill.

   12. JCJason Calacanis1:33

       (laughs)

   13. CPChamath Palihapitiya1:34

       Hey, guys, I'm back.

   14. JCJason Calacanis1:35

       You can go ahead and upgrade your DSL from, from 56 kilobits. I think you can afford it, okay?

   15. DSDavid Sacks1:41

       He's hit his bandwidth limit because he was watching himself on Tucker over and over again this morning.

   16. JCJason Calacanis1:46

       (laughs)

   17. DFDavid Friedberg1:46

       I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But, uh-

   18. DSDavid Sacks1:47

       So he, he completely ran out of internet.

   19. DFDavid Friedberg1:48

       ... I, I, I do, I do need to say this that yesterday, we do have firsthand evidence that David Sachs, after appearing on Tucker Carlson, then spent the next hour watching himself-

   20. JCJason Calacanis1:57

       (laughs)

   21. DFDavid Friedberg1:57

       ... appear on Tucker Carlson. (laughs)

   22. JCJason Calacanis1:59

       Literally got up from the poker table-

   23. DFDavid Friedberg2:02

       My gosh.

   24. JCJason Calacanis2:02

       ... refused to play poker with his besties because he had to watch himself-

   25. DFDavid Friedberg2:06

       On repeat.

   26. JCJason Calacanis2:07

       ... no less than six times on Tucker.

   27. DFDavid Friedberg2:09

       Oh, my gosh.

   28. DSDavid Sacks2:09

       No, no, it must have been, it must have been-

   29. JCJason Calacanis2:11

       He watched it six times.

   30. DSDavid Sacks2:11

       ... 20, 30 times. No, no headphones, just listening to the iPhone, looking at it.
2. 7:25 – 25:53

   Media misalignment, subjects as sources, new age of journalism

   1. DFDavid Friedberg7:25

      take on something else. I think these last two weeks have been a complete sea change in venture capital. And let me give you the set-up. It's all of a sudden seemed like, um, there's been a decision that's been made where the ecosystem of companies will basically use their own platforms and their own mediums to completely control the narrative and the dissemination of information about them, that the media, in the effort of company building, um, may have taken a big step back. Um, you know, I think, uh, the whole sort of, like, thing on Clubhouse was really interesting. I think, uh, this guy who just joined Andreessen Horowitz, um, who actually hosts a show on Clubhouse is really interesting. Um, I think there's some, like, uh, uh, really interesting emerging managers who just have these incredibly different ways of going to market-

   2. DGDraymond Green8:19

      Sri Ram is his name.

   3. DFDavid Friedberg8:20

      Uh, Sri Ram. Right.

   4. DGDraymond Green8:20

      He's been hosting Good Times at 11:00 p- 10:00 or 11:00 PM every night on Clubhouse.

   5. DFDavid Friedberg8:25

      Yeah.

   6. DGDraymond Green8:25

      Marc Andreessen comes to it every night, and of course Elon came, interviewed Vlad. And then last night, Zuckerberg showed up, uh, in order to get blueprints for Clubhouse to then put it into (laughs) -

   7. CPChamath Palihapitiya8:36

      (laughs)

   8. DGDraymond Green8:36

      ... Instagram and Facebook. (laughs)

   9. DFDavid Friedberg8:38

      But what do you guys, what do you guys think of sort of, like, this entire sector of the economy basically trying to, I guess, organize an end-around on traditional media?

   10. DGDraymond Green8:46

       It's, it's just ... It doesn't seem-

   11. DSDavid Sacks8:47

       No, no, no.

   12. DGDraymond Green8:47

       ... like it's just venture, right? I mean, look at, look at Trump. You know, he avoided having the traditional press conference as the, the, the channel for dissemination of his point of view and communication of his, uh, objectives, and he went on Twitter every day, and he just tweeted. Um, and I think, you know, anyone who's been part of a business or an operation that's had to deal with, you know, media gathering facts that, uh, that you don't consider to be true and you can't really counter their point and then they publish and it's static and it's out there, um, you're frustrated. And in the, in the, the world that we have today, which is many alternatives for going direct to our customer and going direct to our audience through social media and having control over that message, uh, it's appealing to make the switch away from traditional PR and going to social. I mean, Chamath, you don't put out press releases. You go on Twitter, and you make a statement about what your intentions are, and you publish-

   13. DFDavid Friedberg9:38

       I-

   14. DGDraymond Green9:39

       ... your one-pagers. And I feel like everyone's trying to do this, and there's all this, like, trend in big companies now too, which is how do you develop a quote unquote social media presence so you can speak directly to your audience and your customers without having to go through the press to do so?

   15. DFDavid Friedberg9:50

       I find it very hard, um, to get the point across, um, by going through traditional media.

   16. DGDraymond Green9:58

       Right.

   17. DFDavid Friedberg9:58

       It's not that it, it's not that it can't be done, but I find it harder and harder. And the reason is because they're in such a ferocious competition with social media. And so they have to be just as click-oriented and newsworthy-

   18. DGDraymond Green10:10

       Totally. Totally.

   19. DFDavid Friedberg10:10

       ... um, as the next best tweet that's, that's trending at that time. So it's-

   20. DGDraymond Green10:14

       That is the key issue.

   21. DFDavid Friedberg10:14

       ... it's an almost impossible task.

   22. CPChamath Palihapitiya10:15

       Right. Well, Naval, Naval had a great line about this, which I think he tweeted a long time ago, which is that the internet commoditized the reporting of facts, and so at that point, the, the traditional media went wholesale into-

   23. DFDavid Friedberg10:27

       Opinions.

   24. CPChamath Palihapitiya10:28

       ... opinions, into opinions. And so now, they all have an agenda of some kind.

   25. DGDraymond Green10:33

       Totally.

   26. CPChamath Palihapitiya10:33

       And especially the tech press, their agenda basically is hatred of tech. I mean, they hate-

   27. DGDraymond Green10:39

       Right.

   28. CPChamath Palihapitiya10:39

       ... the people they're reporting on. And I mean, J-Cal, you know this, right? I mean-

   29. DGDraymond Green10:42

       Yeah, I mean, I, having been a journalist in this, i- it's really interesting to hear your opinions. And if you look at trust among, uh, Republicans all-time low, uh, in the press, and then just all Americans don't trust the press right now. They think there's hidden agendas. And it really is a confluence of events. What happened was the internet caused, um, the revenue streams of the press to get just violently compressed or eliminated. So you know, you had Craigslist take the classified business. Google and Facebook took the ad business and subscriptions, Netflix, Spotify, et cetera. So you have all that revenue is gone, and what that meant was they, uh, didn't have the resources to do fact-checking. And then the publishing schedule, because of blogging, which I was involved in, required that people file two, three, four times a day just to keep up. And so when you're filing even just twice a day, there is no time to get quotes from the subjects. So we have all, as people who are subjects, had quotes, uh, attributed to us that we're like, "Where did you pull that quote from?" Like, "Oh, three years ago you said this," or whatever. And then you don't even know you're gonna be in the story. Like, the hit piece they did on you, Chamath, some sports writer and SFGate did some hit piece on Chamath. Did they ever call you? Did they ever say, "Would you like to respond to this?"

   30. CPChamath Palihapitiya12:02

       No.
3. 25:53 – 34:28

   Bold prediction for the future of media, potential All-In Network, mistrusting everyone except individuals

   1. JCJason Calacanis25:53

   2. CPChamath Palihapitiya25:53

      ... that, that-

   3. JCJason Calacanis25:53

      And I'm gonna make a bold prediction here. The media companies are gonna... You know, they're obviously picking a side. They obviously went subscription. Now, they're dealing with Substack, Clubhouse, podcasts, all chipping away. I think what's gonna happen is, you're gonna see media brands built around certain podcasts, and they're gonna work subject first. In other words, the subject of the story are, are gonna create media property. So if you look at what we've done with All In, and obviously, I have This Week in Startups, if we did the Friedberg on Science podcast, and it was just Friedberg explaining a science topic, and then we did Chamath on public markets, and then we did Sax on, you know, alt-right conspiracy theories, and we just had-

   4. DFDavid Friedberg26:32

      (laughs)

   5. JCJason Calacanis26:32

      ... five pods down.

   6. DFDavid Friedberg26:34

      (laughs)

   7. CPChamath Palihapitiya26:34

      (laughs)

   8. JCJason Calacanis26:34

      Or it could be something else. I don't know, guns.

   9. DFDavid Friedberg26:37

      (laughs)

   10. JCJason Calacanis26:37

       You know, whatever. I don't know.

   11. DFDavid Friedberg26:40

       (laughs)

   12. CPChamath Palihapitiya26:41

       (laughs)

   13. JCJason Calacanis26:41

       Pro-life. I don't know what Sax is into, but, you know. But I... No, Sax could do something on SaaS. So Sax on SaaS, Friedberg on Science, Chamath on thirst traps.

   14. DFDavid Friedberg26:51

       (laughs)

   15. CPChamath Palihapitiya26:52

       (laughs)

   16. JCJason Calacanis26:52

       This Week in Startups.

   17. CPChamath Palihapitiya26:52

       (laughs)

   18. JCJason Calacanis26:52

       Then we have All In.

   19. DFDavid Friedberg26:54

       (laughs)

   20. JCJason Calacanis26:54

       That's five, five full pods of an hour and a half each. If each of you did your own pod, and I had my pod, and we made the All In network, the All In news network, I guarantee you we would be, within five years, you know, right up there with CNN and MS- MSNBC.

   21. DFDavid Friedberg27:09

       Well, one thing that Jason and I've been toying with now-

   22. JCJason Calacanis27:11

       Hands down.

   23. DFDavid Friedberg27:11

       ... is, um, I really do wanna start, um, a Twitch channel. And I think part of why is I'd like to really actually have more conversations about, you know, companies and stocks and, you know-

   24. JCJason Calacanis27:25

       With youths, with the youths.

   25. DFDavid Friedberg27:26

       ... yeah, with the youths and, like, you know, really get into the details. And, like, also, when we, you know, partner with a company, bring them on the show so that we can spend an hour or two and talk about things in detail, it's totally lost. And, and the crazy thing that I realized for me is t- you know, to your point, Jason, like, you know, we have enough distribution now where, where millions of people can see it. And if that has real impact, because, you know, you, you can allow people to judge. And I'm not necessarily saying we're better or worse than anybody else, but if we're not using it f- for, uh, the per- the expressed purpose of selling ads necessarily and getting paid, I do think there's a better likelihood that it's... that the outcome is better.

   26. JCJason Calacanis28:05

       Well, I mean, a big part of the success of this has been the banning of guests and the banning of-

   27. DFDavid Friedberg28:09

       B- banning of ads.

   28. JCJason Calacanis28:10

       ... and banning of ads. People really have responded to that. And I think if we put the Twitch channel up, and we just throw in All In, throw in This Week in Startups, and then, you know, a, a Sax, you know, point/counterpoint show, and I- I'm being sincere, Friedberg, just Friedberg on Science. And, you know, that's five shows, and we just say, "Every Friday, there's gonna be five shows, like, this is your weekend, and we're gonna loop it, and there'll be a Q&A," I guarantee you we could get five other besties to do shows. You know? And, and we would-

   29. DFDavid Friedberg28:38

       ... didn't he... Isn't this what... Isn't it... Didn't you guys originally, like... So for the audience, um, that, that doesn't know this, originally the All In podcast was, uh, Chamath and Jason.

   30. JCJason Calacanis28:48

       Yes.
4. 34:28 – 1:08:02

   Bestie Guestie Draymond Green joins the show to talk dealing with day-to-day NBA life under COVID protocols, the temperature of the nation, issues with the media & more

   1. DGDraymond Green34:28

      actually wait do you guys hear something have you guys seen that movie from dusk till dawn and there's that moment where the movie just suddenly the scene changes and everything's different what's that oh does somebody have to oh what's going on that's the reason line wait what somebody's calling the bestie phone did you give the bestie phone number to somebody chamomile oh my god is somebody wait what's going on who's there you up you up you what's going on okay let's see is anybody there hello hello whoa draymond green in the house what's up bestie guesty bestie what's going on what's up where are you are you in a are you in a uh coronavirus covid quarantine somewhere in an nba bubble where are you i am i'm in i'm in dallas stuck in the hotel with bad water pressure oh the worst that honestly that is the thing if you had to give me the most luxurious hotel in the world but with a tap a faucet for water pressure no thanks i would rather sleep i would rather sleep in a box with a grate with a great shower the water pressure is everything everything all right on the call obviously drafted by the golden state warriors in the second round 35th overall in the 2020 nba draft three-time nba champion 2016-17 defensive player of the year two-time nba all-star five-time all defense uh and drafted behind michael kidd gilchrist dionne warriors harrison barnes tyler zeller miles plumby and i don't know how many people got drafted ahead of you draymond but i know that you can repeat them in order is there anybody who's drafted ahead of you who has achieved even a fraction of what you've achieved in the nba draymond there's 34 guys drafted ahead of me and i definitely can still name all of them and saying that i think there are a few um anthony davis he's done okay he got one ring damian lillard no rings but a stud though he's very good player but no rings i'm just saying and bradley bill brad beale okay also no rings yeah so rings i got all the guys in the rings category but then i don't have patrick mccall in the wings category patrick mccaw has the same amount of range as me so who you know so

   2. JCJason Calacanis36:57

      (laughs) Oh.

   3. DGDraymond Green37:00

      Respect to those guys I named-

   4. JCJason Calacanis37:01

      We respect, we respect.

   5. DGDraymond Green37:01

      ... although they don't have the rings, I got major respect for those guys. (laughs)

   6. JCJason Calacanis37:05

      We were thinking about what to talk to you about, uh, coming on the pod, and we have a series of questions just about being an NBA player, and what you've learned and how good you've become. I just... I'll start it off with one question, which is, it seems like every year you get a little better at something. How do you do that? Do you, like, say, "Over the summer I'm just going to be better at my screens, I'm going to be better at X, Y or Z," or do you just try to get incrementally better all year long?

   7. DGDraymond Green37:33

      I mean, you always want to try to get better all year long, but the reality is, with this season, with the way... not just this season in particular, an NBA season in general, you don't have much time to get better. So you're kind of just getting better on the fly. And when, when you're in your workouts during the season, you're just trying to maintain because there's such little prep time. But during the off season you really lock in on a couple of things and try to get better at those things. And, you know, I think I've become a much better ball handler. I think I see the floor much better. I think I've gotten better overall as a player. Um, the one area that I've wanted to see more growth in is my shooting. And, you know, when I'm shooting a basketball on my own, I know for sure I've gotten better at shooting. Um, like, you know, you come in the gym with me, I shoot the lights out every time.

   8. JCJason Calacanis38:21

      Yeah.

   9. DGDraymond Green38:21

      Uh, but it's, it's about getting over that mental block in the game, you know? I think that's the thing people don't realize is, you know, I shot the lights out for years in a row, and, you know, I had a year where I think I shot 39% from three. But then you go through the struggle, and once you lose it mentally-

   10. JCJason Calacanis38:40

       Uh-huh.

   11. DGDraymond Green38:40

       ... it's hard to get it back. And so-

   12. JCJason Calacanis38:42

       Yeah.

   13. DGDraymond Green38:42

       ... I'm fighting that challenge now.

   14. JCJason Calacanis38:43

       Yeah.

   15. DGDraymond Green38:43

       Although I know I can make the shot, it's when you get in the game, mentally, you got to get over that hurdle.

   16. JCJason Calacanis38:49

       What, what do you do? You do, like, meditation or do you have, like, a coach who does, like, positive visualizations or something like that? Or is it just reps and working through a shooting slump?

   17. DGDraymond Green39:00

       I've definitely incorporated some meditation on the Calm app.

   18. JCJason Calacanis39:03

       Thank you.

   19. DGDraymond Green39:04

       Shout out-

   20. JCJason Calacanis39:05

       Oh, Jesus Christ.

   21. DGDraymond Green39:06

       ... shout out to J-CAL.

   22. JCJason Calacanis39:06

       Hang on. Do you, uh, did you give him options?

   23. DGDraymond Green39:09

       You moron.

   24. JCJason Calacanis39:09

       Raymond, you have to disclose-

   25. DGDraymond Green39:10

       If you script that shit-

   26. JCJason Calacanis39:12

       Oh my God.

   27. DGDraymond Green39:12

       On the only podcast you have to disclose if you have options.

   28. JCJason Calacanis39:14

       Oh, wow.

   29. DFDavid Friedberg39:14

       Shipping the shares right now.

   30. DGDraymond Green39:16

       If you want Point Your Beak and comment.
5. 1:08:02 – 1:13:28

   Mean tweets

   1. DGDraymond Green1:08:02

      we're gonna do? Okay. So, uh, some people have given some reviews or just feedback on the pod, on the Besties, maybe even you, Draymond. And so we thought it would be incredibly uncomfortable, uh, and funny for us to read some of these. So, uh, Sax, why don't you kick us off with one?

   2. The... Well, there's a really good pie chart here, which, um, Nick, Nick can show, which shows all in pod talk time.

   3. (laughs)

   4. And it's basically mostly Chamath and then Jason with, with both Davids filling, like, a tiny little piece. And then-

   5. (laughs) So it's one third... It's too clear.

   6. The majority of it is Chamath and Jason talking over each other for the rest of the pod.

   7. (laughs)

   8. Um, bored Elon Musk posted that, I guess.

   9. Yeah. All right. Well, here's one from Brooklyngal212 on Sax. One-star review. Sax, go ahead and read this one-star review from Brooklyngal212.

   10. Yeah, she says that David Sax ruins every conversation on this pod.

   11. (laughs) Period. You forgot the period.

   12. All right, here's one about Chamath. Hey, Chamath. This is one of my heroes.

   13. Uh, yeah, just want to know what you're up to.

   14. Yeah, Chamath, read this one.

   15. Okay. Uh, it's from Howard Axlerowark, um, with a pill. Okay, with a... Okay, with a, with a pill. It says, "Every time Chamath does something to make me like him, he does two things to make me hate his guts." (laughs) Go fuck yourself.

   16. I think, I think we can all relate to that one.

   17. It sounds like me in my playing career. (laughs) Everyone fucking hates me, man. It's crazy. (laughs)

   18. Draymond, I will tell you, when, when I first, when I first thought about putting a tweet out for, like, the first time, you were the one who said, "Man, everyone's going to talk shit, but forget the haters." Like, that's just the way it goes when you start a social media platform.

   19. Oh, yeah, fuck them.

   20. Yeah. Fuck the haters. All right, here's one for... This is a, a super fan, Aaron, sent this one into the, uh, email. "Jason, at this point, I fully believe you have bought, laminated and framed Kathy Griffin's severed trumpet picture. How many gallons of semen spilled onto it when Biden was inaugurated?" Oh my Lord. Oh, too much.

   21. "If Twitter offered two blue check marks, you'd have three. Your zealotry has made even Bill Maher blush and the other Besties cringe when you can't take even a slight ribbing. It's so bad now, the Besties have started their own side chat without you. At your funeral, the Besties will show up, not out of respect for you, but for your family."

   22. Oh my God. (laughs) Oh my Lord. (laughs)

   23. Signed, Jacklyn Sax.

   24. No comment here, dude. (laughs)

   25. Oh my Lord.

   26. Let's move on.

   27. Okay, David, here's yours. Yours is up, David.

   28. Oh, wait, wait, I need to do this hot take. Hot take, ready?

   29. Hot takes.

   30. The hot take. Hot take. Not deeply researched.

Episode duration: 1:15:24