I Made $20K In 7 Days: The Fastest Way To Use AI Agents To Make Money & Be More Productive (No Code)

Oliur 0:00 You really don't need to have months of experience using Claude Code at all. Like, it's so easy to do. I used it to build a membership platform called digitalcreatorclub.com. If I had tried to do that before, probably would've cost me, like, $50,000, $100,000, but I did it in, like, a weekend. In the first week, it making, like, $20,000. I was blown away. To me, that feels like magic.

Calum Johnson 0:21 How would you recommend people get started?

Oliur 0:24 Let's get started now. What would you like to make?

Calum Johnson 0:30 I was watching one of your recent videos, and right in the beginning you said this, and I had to ask you about it. You said, "I used to be anti-AI. I used to think it was a bit of a gimmick. It's not really gonna help me with too much. It's all hype, basically. But in the last few months, a lot has changed, and I've never felt so excited to use AI, and it's all because of one tool." And so Oliur, what's changed, and then what is that one tool that you're referencing?

Oliur 1:06 Okay, so the one tool I'm referencing is Claude Code. Um, and I think the main thing and the main reason why everything's changed for me personally, I think it's changed for everyone, not just me. I think it's this idea of development and making stuff online used to be very expensive. Like, if you wanna hire a developer, you wanna build an app, you wanna build a, a website or something like that, it used to cost tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions, depending on what you're trying to build. But the gap now is, is pretty much closed. I'm not ... I, I don't wanna say it's, like, absolutely perfect 'cause of course AI can do its own thing, but for me personally, the idea of building stuff and making stuff is just ... It, it's, like, just made it so much easier. I don't have to hire a developer that costs me 200, $300,000 a year. I can make an app that is nearly as good. I'm not gonna say it's as good, but it's [laughs] nearly as good, and I can do it by myself without an engineering team or anything or, or anything like that. I can do it all by myself.

Calum Johnson 2:06 Yeah. You know what, you know what the cool thing, and even when speaking with you and, um, just looking into your background, is that you have spun up so many different businesses and digital products and, like, online businesses, but then you also have the context of, like, you had a nine-to-five at some ... at one point. And so my question to you, specifically for that person that's sitting at home watching us, and they're in that nine-to-five, what is the value and the impact potentially that learning how to use and becoming familiar with something like Claude Code could actually have in their lives?

Oliur 2:49 People who have a nine-to-five, especially because I've seen it with friends around me, close friends around me, who have normal nine-to-five jobs, and I've got them into using Claude, I've got them into using ChatGPT, um, and other AI tools. And when I show them, "Hey, you know, you can do this task a lot quicker if you used an AI tool to do it," and I, I demonstrate it to them live. Like, it's ... You can tell them however much you like, but until they actually see it, that's when it's like, "Oh, wow, okay, I can save a lot of time here, and I can look better to my boss, or I can look better to my colleagues," whatever it might be. Um, 'cause I think AI ... If you use AI in the correct way, in the right way, you can really sort of use it to, to compact time and compact your work as well.

Calum Johnson 3:35 Yeah. You know what? Even in the, the quote that I read out initially, you spoke about having that belief in the beginning that this is kinda gimmicky. It's like, uh, it's hype. And I think that we've seen that throughout with AI. Like, even now everyone's talking about, you know ... The new thing is, "Oh, I have 30 different agents that run my life or run my business." I'm curious for you, is there, like, a, a vivid first moment or first thing that you built with Claude Code where you were like, "Okay, no longer is this just, like, hype or something that sounds good on the internet. This has, like, real-world application for me in my business or just in my life, in my work in general"?

Oliur 4:21 I think there were two moments for me. So the first moment was, like, October, November, maybe September last year, around that time. I can't remember the exact time. So this is, like, 2025. Um, I had heard of Claude Code. I'd heard of the product and stuff, and I, I just thought, "Ah, you know, what, what is this? Let, let's just give it a try." And I gave it a prompt. I gave it a prompt of, uh, "Build me a website out of these photos." So basically I gave Claude Code a folder on my, on my computer, and I told it, "Hey, look at this folder and make me a gallery. Make me a gallery website, like a portfolio website." And this was literally just one prompt. And then it, it just did it, and it almost just felt like, to me at the time, like magic. Like, whoa, okay, if I had tried to do this manually myself, probably would've taken me a couple of days to do if I were to code it myself, because I do have some coding background knowledge. Um, but I did this in literally five minutes, and I was like, "Wait a minute, this is pretty unbelievable." And then I took it a step further in January this year when, um, Claude sort of launched Opus 4.8, um, which I think they launched in December, something like that, and I used it to build, uh, a membership platform, a membership website called, uh, digitalcreatorclub.com. And I have no background in building databases, in APIs. Like, I have no experience in doing that sort of stuff. Uh, my coding knowledge was very basic. But here I was building something that required payments, required a database, uh, required some logic in terms of pricing. Um, invites, so when someone pays, they get sent emails, they get sent an invite to like a Discord. And then there's also content as well all in one place. If I had tried to do that before, again, it probably would've cost me, like, $50,000, $100,000, something like that, but I did it in like a weekend. And I think those two moments for me w- were really the game-changing moments where I was like, "Holy moly," like, I could really... I, I think the limit is really my imagination on what I could build.

Calum Johnson 6:32 Hmm. Yeah. You know, that is actually a crazy realization, the, the limit is only your imagination. And, and you talk about, um, you talk about that first experience, it being like magic. And, and the interesting thing is if you look at the, the data, and you... Even if you just take the data here in the US, like the majority of people have never used Claude, let alone Claude Code. And I think-

Oliur 6:57 Yes

Calum Johnson 6:57 ... and, and I'm even speaking from personal experience, I, I use Claude. Like, we use Claude in my business, but there's still a level of intimidation for me even having these conversations with Claude Code specifically. And so I'm curious for you, is that something that you hear when you speak to friends, uh, peers? They have like a, a level of intimidation of even getting started with Claude Code. And then why do you think that is?

Oliur 7:27 I think it's like anything new. I th- I think it's, you know, when, when any sort of new technology comes out, people are scared, people are afraid, and they're also in this stage of like, "Oh, if I don't know, I'm not gonna do it," sort of thing. Um, people find it difficult to learn something new or try something new. I think Claude Code as a product itself, as a tool itself, I think even the word "code" can make it quite intimidating for people because they're like, "Oh, I've gotta learn how, how, how to code. I've gotta learn this. I've gotta learn that." But it's really not the case. Claude Code is very similar to the, the normal Clau- Claude product that most people use, or the ChatGPT product that most people use. It's very, very similar. It's just instead of it giving you answers, it instead makes stuff. It instead f- it instead makes code. It instead does the logic for you. It instead does a lot of the stuff that can be quite complex and quite difficult, but you use natural language to do it. And I think once people get past that first step of like, "Oh, let's build something basic. Oh, let's build something a bit harder, and then let's build something really hard," and that's when they realize, oh, wow, okay, the... Like I said earlier, the limit really is your imagination again.

Calum Johnson 8:41 Hmm. You know what? It's, it's exciting, Oli, because we're actually going to show people, and hopefully take people to that first step of like they've actually can watch this and follow along with us, and then build something using Claude Code or build their first workflow using Claude Code. Before we get to that, and since you mentioned it, Digital Creators Club... 'Cause I was, I was, uh, I was watching one of your videos last night, and you build like the, the website for Digital Creators Club and the infrastructure using Claude Code, and you mention that in the first week that it's live, uh, you do nearly $20,000 in sales. Can you talk about that experience? And then also to this point, how has Digital Creators Club like developed, grown? How much have you even made from it, if you're comfortable sharing, sharing that?

Oliur 9:41 Yeah, Digital Creators Club for me was more of like an experiment. So I've had requests from my own audience for a while now, be like, "Hey, why don't you build like a, a Discord? Why don't you build like a place where, where people can talk, where, you know, your, your sort of audience, followers, and whatever can interact?" Um, and the idea from it, for it actually came from someone else, um, where they built like a d- a similar sort of club. So I built Digital Creators Club, I just thought, "All right. Let's just put it out there. Let's just see what it's like." And yeah, in the first week it making like $20,000. I was blown away. I was like, "Okay, I wasn't expecting this." I was actually gonna give it a- I was actually gonna give like access away for free. But someone told me, a f- a friend of mine told me, "Do not give access away for free." Because if you give access away for free, you very much lower the quality of the members that join. And I was just like, "What do you mean? Like, that doesn't seem to make any sense to me." Like, I want it to be accessible for everyone. But basically he said, "Once you-- as soon as you put a price tag on it, the quality of the members, the quality of the people who are part of the club are so different from people who are just expecting free stuff, who are just, you know, kind of floating through life, don't really know what to do, whatever, and they just want someone or they want whatever just to be involved or whatever." So Digital Creators Club has now become a place where there are other creators like me, there are other businesspeople, there are other people making stuff, um, in- people investing in stuff. It's, it's, it's quite a high quality level of members, and that was my aim with it. I just didn't realize putting a price tag on it is what will help me get that. [laughs] And I, I kind of realized as well that if anything I should probably raise the price further, because then it raises the, the bar of entry even further and it raises the quality of the members further. I don't exactly know how much I've made so far. I think it's like, I wanna say it's like 40 to $50,000, something like that, and that's with very minimal advertising.

Calum Johnson 11:35 Yeah. You know, Oli, one of the things that's been crazy to me, and it's actually really exciting, um, and, and maybe even that word is like kind of rare right now because I feel like there's a lot of anxiety when it comes to AI and like what the impact of AI could be on people's lives. But I think the fact that you can have an idea one day and within the space of a few hours that idea is like built and live in a functional way, like it actually looks good and works because of something like Claude Code or one of these agents It's actually very unique. Like, that, that never really existed in human history. It would take weeks of development, sometimes months or years of development for people to, for someone to put out a product. And so it's like-

Oliur 12:23 Yeah. I-

Calum Johnson 12:25 Go for it. Go ahead

Oliur 12:25 I agree. I, I wanna interrupt you there 'cause, like, I think to myself we're in a stage now where I really do think and I, and I really do believe, and this is what I tell people, that if you're not using AI tools, if you're not using AI Agents, if you're not using Claude Code, I very much do believe you're gonna fall behind. I very much do believe i- whether it's in your business, whether, whether it's in your work, whether it's in your lifestyle, because a lot of people think that you, you should only use it for work or for business, but you can use it for your lifestyle as well. I've seen people make, like, wedding websites with Claude Code. I've seen people make birthday websites, event websites with Claude Code, and these are more lifestyle things that you just wouldn't have been able to do before.

Calum Johnson 13:02 Yeah. It is, it is really like a ... It's a unique edge. And, and one of the things on, like, a mindset level, and I was telling you this even before we, we, uh, started recording. I watched one of your videos where you were talking about, um ... Like, there, there's such a relatability in your story, right? Because you, you have this video Seven Things I Learned From Hanging Around With Rich People, and one of the things you say, you said, "I grew up poor. I didn't really know any rich people." And you go on to talk about how, uh, that experience meant in many ways you grew up with, like, this scarcity mindset. And one of the things that you actually learnt was that just working hard doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be wealthy. And it was like-

Oliur 13:49 Mm

Calum Johnson 13:49 ... I was, I was thinking that, about that this morning because when you talk about Claude Code and what some of these AI tools are capable of, that feels like even more the case today. Like, even-

Oliur 14:01 Mm

Calum Johnson 14:01 ... it's even ... It's become even more important, like, what you're working on and how you're working on it versus just putting in hours and hours of work.

Oliur 14:11 Mm.

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Oliur 16:40 Yeah. Like, I think Claude Code and other AI tools, they now make things a lot more scalable, um, and I think that's something I learned from this, like, just the same idea with that video where, like, I learned it from other wealthy people. Doing things that are scalable, doing things that aren't necessarily tied to your time, um, because there's only so much time you have and there's only so much time you can sell. There's only so much you can charge for your time. But once you d- start doing things sca- like, in a, in a, in a scaled manner, you can do a lot more things. You can have a lot more impact. Um, you can change your life in a lot more ways. You can change other people's lives in a lot more ways. And I think AI tools are that scale because you can have an army of AI Agents. You can have an army of AI tools all doing this stuff for you, and they work 24/7 around the clock, and they can all work together to, to do a lot more stuff. So it is like having a modern-day ... I wanna say, like, when you see companies who have, like, tens of thousands of employees and they're just doing things at massive scale, AI Agents are exactly the same, and people are figuring out now, "Okay, you know, I don't need a team of 20 people, 50 people, 100 people, 1,000 people. I can just implement AI Agents to cover a lot of those things and have almost the same thing."

Calum Johnson 17:57 Yeah. You know, I, I, I think about that point, Oli, of, like, just working hard doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be wealthy. Is there, like, a, a vivid moment in your story? Because, because growing up ... And I had the same thing. Growing up, that's all you're really taught, right? If you just work hard and you apply yourself and you do things, everything the right way, then there's something for you on the other side. Is there a moment in your story where- You, like tangibly learn and internalize that, that hard work doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be rich or wealthy

Oliur 18:39 I think it was when I was selling my time, um, because I used to do client work, so I used to try and get businesses to pay me to make their websites, to design stuff, whatever. And I got to a point where I was like, "Okay, the market rate for UI/UX designer is around 500 a day," which don't get me wrong, is amazing money. 500 a day is amazing money. But that's eight hours a day, five days a week, and that's like two and a half grand a month... I mean, two and a half grand a week, 10 grand a month, whatever it might be. And I kind of realized it's hard for me to charge more here. It's hard for me to make more money here, and I'm also using up a lot of my time. I don't actually have that much freedom. I've gotta jump on calls and stuff. And it was in that sort of moment where I, where I sort of realized, "Okay, what can I do that's more scalable, that's not tied to my time?" And that's where sort of digital products came in. So well before AI stuff came along and, uh, I started experimenting with digital products. And when I had... So this is like back in the Tumblr days. So Tumblr was very popular in like the sort of 2010 to 2013, 2014 sort of era. And I, I was just on there, I had my own Tumblr blog and stuff, but I started making templates, Tumblr templates. And then there was a month where I made $30,000 from Tumblr templates in one month, and I was just like, "What in the world is going on here?" Because I worked a lot less than I would have doing eight hours a day, five days a week. And it really clicked for me, like, "Wow, okay. I need to stop doing client work. I need to stop selling my time, and I n- and I need to do stuff more, in a more scalable manner." Um, and that's what I try to do now. So digital products, YouTube, um, building stuff online, using AI Agents now a- because AI's just become so much more powerful. These are all things that are scalable, and it also means that I don't have to work hard. Like, my average day now is four to six hours maybe, and that's if I even choose to. Some days I'll just be like, "Oh, you know what? I wanna do something else," and I, and I won't work. I'm very, very fortunate, very, very grateful to be in that position. And it's the same with like meetings. I don't do meetings. People will email me and be like, "Hey, I wanna do a meeting," and I'm just like, "I'm sorry, but I just don't do meetings." I only do one meeting a week, and that's with my team on a Monday morning. Rest of the week I'm doing no calls, no meetings. Um, but yeah, going back to your thing, I think it was just that moment of selling digital products where I realized, "Okay, I need to stop selling my time."

Calum Johnson 21:08 Yeah. You know, it's, it's exciting 'cause it's also, um, I think when you talk about the digital products, and I was even, um, I was watching a video that you put out r- super recently, like this week, where you were talking-

Oliur 21:19 Yes

Calum Johnson 21:19 ... about how, um, you made these wallpapers with AI.

Calum Johnson 21:24 Um-

Oliur 21:24 Yes. Yeah. [laughs]

Calum Johnson 21:24 And then, and then you made $30,000 off that, and it was a... It's also like a level of passive income, and it's like earning income over that amount of time. Can you actually pull up Digital Creators Club just so that people have the context of what your, what your site actually looks like? I think it'll, it will help them kind of internalize everything.

Oliur 21:47 Okay, so this is the visible version that people would see of Digital Creator Club. So I've just shown you what's working in Claude, and then this is the, the version that, you know, I've made live basically. And we can see, you know, it's just a simple heading description, join the club, and we can see some pricing, and we also have like a testimonial. And all of this, you know, was built by Claude. I did not do a sing- I did not like code this myself. I also wanna again make that clear. This isn't like me typing away for hours on end trying to code all this. No, no, no. This is all done by Claude. Even some of the text was done by Claude. Because I just gave it the idea of like, "Hey, I wanna build this club, and I want it to be like members only, and I want it to be for creators and entrepreneurs, stuff like that. Can you build me like a scaffold, like a, what you think the website should look like?" And then I just started making edits. I just asked it, "Hey, can you change this? Hey, can you change that? Hey, can you add this? Hey, can you add that?" sort of thing. Very simple, natural language. Imagine it as you have yourself, and then next to you you have an engineer, and then next to you have a designer, and you're just watching their screens and you're telling them what to do. So you're like the orchestrator basically. That's the way I like to imagine it. This is the homepage, of course, that everyone lands on, and then once they're logged in, they can see the actual content. So they can see the manuals and stuff that we have here. So we have like personal branding stuff, online marketing stuff, um, just all the stuff that I've learned over the years in like one place basically. Um, this is currently going through a redesign, but yeah, this is basically what we've built. And you can also, if we go back, we, and we go back to the homepage, we go to the account page, if it will load, that is. There you go, the account page. We can see like, um, it's connected to my Discord, and people get an invite to the Discord when they purchase a membership. They can get a membership card. They can manage their billing. Again, this was just all done by Claude Code. So it just blows my mind that it can even do all this stuff.

Calum Johnson 23:49 Yeah. I'm, I'm curious, Oli, like, how, uh, how experienced were you with Claude Code before you built this website? Like, is this something that you believe someone could, they could get started and within a week be at a point where they're starting to build something like this? Or like where did you begin?

Oliur 24:09 100%.

Calum Johnson 24:09 Okay.

Oliur 24:10 Yeah, 100%. I, I, I don't think you need to be experienced at all. My experience, even now, uh, even though, even though we're doing this podcast and I'm doing this podcast with you, I, uh, I wouldn't consider myself an expert. I still consider s- myself a beginner, but I have always believed that the best person to teach a beginner is another beginner. They just need to be a few steps ahead. I'm just maybe a couple steps ahead because I've built something and it, and it's made money But something like this, honestly, anyone can, can build it. Anyone can make it. You really don't need to have, like, you know, months of experience using Claude Code at all. I think the important thing is just asking it when you get stuck how, how... Like, it, it... Get it to educate you. Get it to... Ask it questions, being like, "How does this work? How does that work?" Because over time, as you, as you keep using it, you learn, you learn, like, different terminology, you learn how databases work, you learn how, like, APIs work, all, all that sort of stuff. Um, so yeah, I really do believe anyone could build this.

Calum Johnson 25:10 Yeah. Okay, that's really cool to hear. Okay, you know what? Let, let's go here, because, like, if, if someone's at a job right now, are there certain things that you imagine that you're like, "Oh, if I was working a nine-to-five," or even back in your days when you were doing, like, client work, you're like, "Oh, okay, if I was using Claude Code," what would be some of those specific ways that you're like, "This would be an ultimate edge in my work?"

Oliur 25:34 Okay. Um, I think, I think a good example, actually, um, is something like, for example, I do some sponsored campaigns on my tech YouTube channel. Okay? A brand comes to me, and they're like, "Hey, we want you to make a video, and we want you to publish it." And then what I've started doing is once I've uploaded the video and it's been up for, like, a week or a month, I ask Claude Code to go look at the video. I ask it to get the views, the engagement, the comments, how many comments it's got, how many likes it's got, um, and the thumbnail and everything, and then I get it to make me a report. And then that report is in a PDF format, and then I send it off to the client. Simple as that. Um, that's... is something that I just wouldn't have done before. Uh, I've seen agencies do that, but agencies usually have had to hire someone in the past to do that. And it's so time-consuming, right? You've gotta go find the video, you gotta get the information, you gotta make it look all fancy. You gotta, you gotta know how to maybe use a design tool or something to put it all together. But Claude can do that.

Calum Johnson 26:37 Yeah. Actually, really, I think what you just said is, uh... It's valuable, but also underrated. Like, it could go over someone's head. Which is, any workflow that really, it relies on data, like, there's, like, this significant data component to it, is something that could be potentially automated, um-

Oliur 26:56 Mm

Calum Johnson 26:57 ... by using a program like Claude Code. And so Oli, here's where I wanna go, because we spoke about the level of intimidation, and I know especially for me it's, like, the terminal. I, I... There's, like, this, um... When you see the terminal, you're like, "Oh, okay." And e- and even just-

Oliur 27:13 Yes

Calum Johnson 27:13 ... the way that Claude Code looks, and even the fact it's called Claude Code, you're like, "This is for coders."

Oliur 27:19 [laughs] Yeah.

Calum Johnson 27:20 Like, that's your first thought. You're like, "This is for coders. I'm not a coder. This is not for me." And so I think the most important thing that you and I can do is just showing people how they can get started. And so if you-

Oliur 27:34 Yeah

Calum Johnson 27:34 ... could share your screen, because I think momentum is so important in the beginning of things, of, like, taking it from the theoretical and just starting to build. And so could you just show people, like, even if we just took, I don't know, like, a blank session. How would you recommend people get started?

Oliur 27:53 Yeah, I, I think a blank session makes the most sense. So, um, when you start a blank session, this is usually something that it looks like. Um, you just have, like, a blank page and whatever. Uh, right now i- this screen that you see here in the middle is just showing, like, how many tokens I've used and how much I've built, whatever. But you know, it's, it's, that's bas- That's just my history on, like, what I've used Claude Code for. But most people who haven't used Claude Code won't see this. Um, but in here what you can do is you can choose a folder for Claude Code to run in. So you can either choose a fresh folder, so a brand-new folder, which is what we're going to do, or if you'd like, you can choose a folder of an existing project that you've made or maybe someone else has made, and then you've put on your computer, and then you can work in that. But you can also work in the cloud. Now, obviously those are things that we're not gonna go into. We're just gonna keep it simple and work within the computer. It's w- within, like, a, a folder on our computer. Um, let me quickly... Let me sh- set this up very quickly. Uh, da, da, da.

Calum Johnson 28:56 And just context for people, Oli, as you're doing that. You... Would you recommend... It looks like you're working in the Claude app. Would you recommend-

Oliur 29:05 Yes

Calum Johnson 29:05 ... people download the Claude app versus, like, use the web browser version, or does it not really make a difference in your mind?

Oliur 29:15 I, I honestly think it's worth just using the, um, Claude Code app. I mean the, the Claude app, sorry. Um, because the Claude app has the chat, it has co-work, and it has Claude Code built in. And I'm... You know, for someone who's now been using Claude Code for a while now, I'm using the Code tab in the app. I'm not using the terminal anymore. Now, there are some benefits to using the terminal. You can do a, a few more complex things. But for my work and for what I'm doing and for what I'm trying to achieve, the app itself is more than powerful enough. Like, you don't need to go into the terminal and start reading The Matrix, basically. [laughs] Like, you don't need to do any of that. You can just use the Claude app to do it. Um-

Calum Johnson 29:57 I'm actually gonna s- uh, start trying to use this after this conversation.

Oliur 30:01 [laughs]

Calum Johnson 30:02 So I was like, that was the thing for me. I was like, I don't wanna use the terminal. That just is doing a bit too much, the terminal.

Oliur 30:07 Yeah.

Oliur 30:08 Honestly, don't. I, I, I tell ev- I tell all my friends, anyone who asks me, "Don't use the terminal. Don't even look at the terminal. Don't even try to..." Because it's just way too intimidating, even for someone like me who's been using the terminal for, like, six, seven months now. I just wouldn't recommend it. Um, but okay. Let's get started now. What I've done is I've made a new session, so I've clicked the, the New Session link here, and then I've chosen a folder. So we can see where Claude Code runs. I've chosen Local, so that's what you want, and then I've chosen a folder. I've just made a folder for our show here. So I can literally go into Claude Code here, and I've just made a folder for the, for the show. Cool. That's where everything will now live. Um, and we can ask it to make something like, um, what, what would you like to make? Let's not go too complex, but what would you like to make? [laughs] What do you have?

Calum Johnson 30:55 Okay. You know what, actually, I, I don't even know if... I'm assuming it can do this, but I think it would be interesting, um, I think everyone has, like, to-dos or, like, emails, for example, that they get, like, over the weekend, or maybe it's, like, a Friday evening at work and they've already logged off. It'd be cool to create some sort of, like, dashboard of, like, key to-do items or-

Oliur 31:19 Yeah

Calum Johnson 31:19 ... uh, like, emails that have come through. Like, these are the most important things that you have to deal with on, like, a Monday morning.

Oliur 31:26 Okay. Okay. Um, I'm gonna simplify your idea a bit, because I think building a dashboard can take quite a bit of time. So what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna ask it to build me a simple to-do app where I can type stuff in, and then, um, it will, like, sort of save it, and then we can tick each item off.

Calum Johnson 31:45 Okay.

Oliur 31:45 So let's do that.

Calum Johnson 31:46 Yeah.

Oliur 31:47 "Build me a to-do app, um, in a minimalist style list format. Uh, let's put in something like, um, I want to be able to tick off any items that I've completed and automatically strike through them and move to the bottom of the list." Okay, that's gonna be our prompt. I haven't done this, so it's gonna be interesting to see the result. Um, we'll also actually ask it to, uh, show me a preview once it's done. This might take a couple minutes. Um, it depends on how complex or how, how hard it th- it thinks it's gonna be, but we'll just see what happens. We'll see what it, what it does.

Calum Johnson 32:43 Yeah. I, I have some questions actually about the, the prompt you gave itself. The... Because your prompt is pretty concise, but then it's also quite specific in some areas. And then also at the end you mentioned the preview. Can, can you kind of just talk through even just how you think about prompting? Because I know people overthink that part of the experience a lot.

Oliur 33:06 Um, the prompting, I think it, it kind of, like, I don't wanna think too much about it, but then I also think to myself, "If I have something specific that I want, it's worth including in the prompt." So if I can imagine an idea or I can imagine something working in a specific way, like I did in the prompt where I said, "I want to be able to tick items off and, and automatically strike through them and move them to the bottom of the list," that's a very specific behavior that I want the app to do. Um, and it, it's always something that I think is worth putting in the prompt. Um, not everyone's gonna think of it, which is okay. Like, if you don't know the specific idea or you don't have anything, it's fine, because you can refine it later on. You, you don't have to just one-shot everything. I think one-shotting everything is the worst. Like, there is no such thing as one-shotting anything. Um, I think the best products that I've seen built with AI are usually refining. Um, but I wanna go back to what we're building now. Whenever you're building something in Claude Code, it will ask you for permissions. Um, you can allow once or always allow, it's totally up to you. But basically it's asking you what it's trying to do. But I'm just gonna say always allow, because I, I'm happy for it to work in the folder and do whatever it wants to inside that folder.

Calum Johnson 34:23 That's actually a... That's a good point. And, and I guess that's the value of having, um, initially you set up actually, like, a local folder on your computer for it to work from, and it means it's not gonna... 'Cause you've had cases with some of these agents where it starts, like, changing file... I guess it has access to so many different things in the way that someone-

Oliur 34:42 Yes. Yeah

Calum Johnson 34:43 ... set it up, and it deletes files or it changes files-

Oliur 34:46 Yeah

Calum Johnson 34:46 ... and people lose work. So that's actually, like, an advantage of the way that you've set it up.

Oliur 34:51 So that's also an advantage of the Claude app itself. It's not just the way I've set it up. The Claude app itself is very strict on what it can do. Um, Claude have obviously designed it to be like that, because they are obviously worried and they don't want to be responsible for people having their, their work deleted or their computer or whatever, just whatever is deleted, right? Um, they want to be able to have it... They, they just don't wanna have that risk. So Claude usually always asks you for permission. It always asks you what folder you wanna work in, um, so that you're containing everything in that folder. But it looks like we have our result now. Here's our to-do list app. Um, it's made it for me. How long did that take? I don't even know. Probably, what, five minutes?

Calum Johnson 35:37 Yeah.

Oliur 35:37 Five, 10 minutes, something like that. Um, and here it is. It's ready to go. So I can ask it to be something, I don't know, um, uh, "Reply to the brand email from Friday," something like that. Press Enter if we want to. Will it do anything or will it just show us HTML? Okay, so we've got to open it in the browser, so let's do that, because I've just read the prompt here. So it says, "To use it for real, just double-click the to-do HTML to open it in your browser." So we have a preview here.

Calum Johnson 36:22 Yeah.

Oliur 36:22 We can see the preview. I can't really do anything other than type anything in. So let's open it up in our browser. Uh-

Calum Johnson 36:28 Let's do it

Oliur 36:29 ... so we now have it open in our browser. Uh, we have the sort of, uh, it's basically what we saw in the, in the Claude Code app as well. Um, and then we can type in, like I said, something like, uh, "Reply to the brand email from Friday." And then if I press Enter, will it add it? Yep, it adds it. There we go. We can add another one. Uh, "Pick up-"

Calum Johnson 36:55 And that was literally just copy and pa- You just copy and pasted the link, uh, into your browser, and it just opened up this window?

Oliur 37:02 Uh, no. What I did was I went to the folder where the file is, and I just double-clicked the file. I just double-clicked the file that it told me to click in the, in the Claude app.

Calum Johnson 37:12 Yeah.

Oliur 37:12 That was literally it. Um, I don't even have to copy anything. Um, the, the link that you see here is just where the file is on my computer. Um, that's all it is.

Calum Johnson 37:21 So this app is, like, local to your computer. It's not on the internet.

Oliur 37:25 Exactly, yeah.

Calum Johnson 37:25 Got you.

Oliur 37:26 Right now it's local to the computer. Um, but yeah, we've obviously added these. And look, we can even delete things if we want to. We can, um, add more tasks if we want to. We can see two remaining, zero done. So these are things that it's already thought about that I haven't told it to do. So we can see, like, two remaining and zero done. I didn't ask it to do that. It just, it just knew to add them. It just knew to do it. Even with the animations, we can see when I hover over, we can see the, the, the delete sort of, or the X animation is nice and smooth. It comes in and out. And then whenever we tick something off, something like reply to the brand email, it ticks it, and then it moves it to the bottom of the list all automatically-

Calum Johnson 38:01 Yeah

Oliur 38:01 ... without me having to do anything.

Calum Johnson 38:02 Yeah. That's so cool, yeah.

Oliur 38:04 To me, it ... To me, that feels like magic.

Calum Johnson 38:07 Yeah, it is like magic. It is.

Oliur 38:07 Like, there's no other way to describe it. [laughs]

Calum Johnson 38:09 Yeah, it is like magic. Um, you know what, Oli, 'cause I know, I know your background, and, like, your, your love is really in design. I'm, I'm even just thinking about, like, is there a quick, like, design build that we could add even on what we've put so far that would just kind of demonstrate what it can do, like, visually?

Oliur 38:30 Yes. I've got an idea. I have got an idea. Um, so we can ask it something like ... I'm gonna change back to Claude now so that you guys can see. Uh, da, da, da, da, da.

Calum Johnson 38:45 That is like magic though, isn't it?

Oliur 38:48 Yeah. I think once you start using it yourself, you'll be like, "Holy shit, why didn't I do this before?"

Calum Johnson 38:53 [laughs] That's literally what I'm thinking right now.

Oliur 38:55 [laughs]

Calum Johnson 38:57 [laughs]

Oliur 38:58 All right. Cool. Um, okay. Like you, like you just asked, let's add some design elements because it's quite simple looking, right? Like, this is what it looks like, just like a, a, a nice, like, neutral background with some text. Um, I, I'm kind of trying to think to myself, okay, what if we gave it, like, a, an Apple aesthetic or something like that? Hopefully we don't get sued for this, but let's just say-

Calum Johnson 39:22 [laughs]

Oliur 39:22 ... um, can you give the app an Apple style aesthetic? Um, add some colors, uh, backgrounds, cards, et cetera. Okay? Super basic prompt here.

Calum Johnson 39:39 I'm, I'm curious for you, Oli, when you're actually ... When you're designing something, like even with the Digital Creators Club or, uh, on Claude Code, will you ever ... Because that, that was a, like, a, a super basic prompt like you mentioned.

Oliur 39:53 Yeah.

Calum Johnson 39:53 But would you ever put in, I don't know, screenshots or references or be like, "Here's the exact typography, like font that I want in there," or like, "Here's my brand colors"? Like, do you do all of these things when you're ... I get that for the basis of this example it doesn't make sense, but I was just curious.

Oliur 40:12 Yeah, 100%. You can do exactly what you just said. You can take screenshots. Um, I don't think it's great at screenshots and, like, understanding screenshots as much. Um, but I do think if you were to give it, like, actual brand guidelines, so, like, what font you use, what colors you use, um, what font sizes you use, um, and give it, like, actual hard data ... Because AI, like, uh, like we discussed earlier, AI really works with data the best. Um, you can also give it links to websites. So if there's a website you like the look of and you want to almost f- follow a similar style, because it can go to the website itself in the background and then pull the HTML, the CSS from the website itself, it can pull the styling, and then it can also apply that same styling to, to your app as well, to your website.

Calum Johnson 41:03 Yeah.

Oliur 41:03 Um, but here we are. We have our result.

Calum Johnson 41:05 That's crazy. [laughs]

Oliur 41:07 Uh, so now we have an Apple style app, and we ha- we can see it has, like, a nice blue to white background. It's on a card. It has, like, a blue tick, you know. And it's ... A- again, it just feels like magic. Like, it, it looks very different from what we just had.

Calum Johnson 41:22 Yeah. You know what I was thinking as it, as it popped up? I was like, um, "Did we just build the Reminders app?" Like we just-

Oliur 41:29 Yeah

Calum Johnson 41:29 ... we just built Reminders in, like, 10 minutes. [laughs]

Oliur 41:32 Yeah. Well, that's ... Obviously, that's what it's made it now. Look, it's called it Reminders now-

Calum Johnson 41:35 [laughs]

Oliur 41:35 ... instead of To-Do List. And then it's added new reminder rather than, like, a task. So yeah, it's obviously gone off of that. And we didn't tell it to make a Reminders app. Again, it just figured it out.

Calum Johnson 41:46 Yeah. That is crazy. You know what? Because I, I even think what you mentioned, Oli, 'cause it's, um, it's like magic, and it's, uh, it's so simple, I think, what you just outlined, and I think about, um, people that are, are listening or have had the experience where they've tried to use Claude Code and they've gotten really excited maybe from watching, uh, a video or a conversation similar to the one that we've just had, and then they've tried to build something, it hasn't worked, and then they've got, like, demoralized and kinda like disillusioned with the whole thing. And so I'm curious from your perspective, when using Claude Code, are there certain pitfalls, um, that you think that people could potentially fall into that n- other- rather than having, like, the experience that we've just had where it's like magic, like, if you fell into these pitfalls or kinda these common mistakes, I should say, it would actually, uh, change someone's experience. Like, what, what do you see as some of the common pitfalls with using Claude Code? Okay. So quick one before we get into the episode, because we have literally gotten thousands of comments and messages from you guys on our AI videos in the last few weeks, many of which are asking for additional help or questions about tools or processes And so we decided that we're finally gonna do it. We are going to build our first digital product specifically with you in mind. But before we can do it, we need your help, and we want to involve you in the process. And so in the link in the description, we have put a super short form. It literally takes 90 seconds or less to fill it out, and it's gonna help us create the perfect digital product that helps you use AI in your life, your content, and your business. Oh, and one more thing. For a select group of people that fill out that form, we are gonna give you early free access to our digital product as a thank you. Anyway, let's get into the episode.

Oliur 43:43 So for me personally, it, it, it doesn't get everything right every time. So there are times where, especially with, like, Digital Creator Club, where something hasn't worked, and I d- and, like, I don't know why it hasn't worked 'cause obviously I haven't built it. I haven't coded it. So, like, you know, to me it ... I'm just like, "Hey, what's going on?" So when that happens, if I can find sort of any errors on the screen, or I can f- if I can find any information on the screen or whatever, I usually try to, like, screenshot it, and then I put it into Claude Code and I'll tell it, "Hey, there's something wrong. Look at it and fix it." [laughs] It's as simple as that. Like, I, I do very basic, like, diagnostics and troubleshooting 'cause I want the, the Claude Code to figure it out for me. But that can be a lot of issues. That, that, that can be, like, a big issue for a lot of people, where, like, they build something and it, and it doesn't work or it stops working or something goes wrong. Um, and I would urge them just to keep trying. I would urge them to, to learn how to troubleshoot. I would urge them to take screenshots, look at logs, look at errors, a- and, like, paste them back into Claude Code because then it can figure it out, figure the issue out for you rather than you having to figure it out. Um, and I think that's the most demoralizing part, when something goes wrong and you're just like, "Damn," like, "w- how do, how do I fix this? What do I do?" But, um, Claude Code can usually fix it.

Calum Johnson 45:13 Yeah. I, I, I love the fact that, um, of what you mentioned earlier of, like, it's actually educating you. You know what, Oliur? 'Cause I think, um, I think a final thing that'll be really impactful and useful to share with people, because as I was watching you show, um, Digital Creators Club or even when we were talking about the fact of how, um, like, people could build, like, reports that they send to clients or whatnot using Claude Code, my question to you is how are you linking your, like, data, I guess, to, to Claude Code? So for example, with Digital Creators Club ... And I mean data both in terms of the numbers, but then also resources. Like, you have all of those manuals and whatnot. Or even if someone, for example, like, they wanted to link spreadsheets or, like, numbers into Claude Code or, like, their email, for example, to Claude Code so that it has something that it's pulling from. How, how are you doing that?

Oliur 46:15 Okay. Um, let me show you how that works. Uh, okay. Claude. Okay. Um, is it customize? Yeah, customize. Okay, here we go. Okay, so in Claude Code, um, there is a customized tab here, and this customized tab, the great thing about it is that it's isolated to the session that you have. So currently we're in this minimalist to-do app session, right? Because that's what we've been building.

Oliur 46:48 We can go to that customized tab, and we can go to connectors. And in here I've got all these connectors, right? And these are connected to my external services. So I have, like, ClickUp, I have Framer, I have GitHub, I have my Google Calendar. Um, I have ... Even my PayPal is connected here. I can see my PayPal balance [laughs] in here if I want to. Um, my N8N, Railway, Gmail, Google Drive, they're all connected. Uh, well, Google Drive and Gmail, sorry, aren't connected, but I can connect them if I want to, and then I can have it pull the information from those different services. So this is where it can be very powerful because you can imagine if you have 10, 20 different services all connected at once and then you get Claude to be like, "Hey, go to my Google Calendar," um, or like, g- go to my Google Drive, get this spreadsheet, put it into a website, and then add it to ... And, and then email someone, uh, on my list in Goog- Go- in Gmail, and then if they reply with, like, a, a calendar link, add it to my calendar. Like, all this sort of stuff. It's ... You can really go quite deep and, like, you can really go quite complex on, on how you want things to work and how they connect. I feel like my example's probably not the best example that I'm saying, but I wanna make it easy for people to understand because I think if I start talking about, like, Supabase and I start talking about, like, Sanity, uh, which are two things that I use for Digital Creator Club, it can become quite overwhelming for people. So I think showing the connectors here and you guys seeing the connectors is probably the best way to show, oh, I can access my calendar, I can access my Google Drive, my Gmail within

Oliur 48:23 Claude Code.

Calum Johnson 48:24 Yeah. No, that's r- that's really useful. And you can ... And I'm assuming ... Well, actually, you just let me know. You can actually set it to do tasks, like, on a cadence. So what I mean, for example, you have the Gmail connector, and say that you had all of that set up. You could say, "Every Sunday at 8:00 PM I want you to pull, I want you to go through my inbox and tell me what are the first five emails I need to respond to Monday morning." And it would run that on a, it would run that on, like, a cadence. Like, it would run it every Sunday you would have that output.

Oliur 48:58 Well, um, that ... You wouldn't actually use Claude Code for that. You would use Claude Cowork instead. Um, Claude Cowork is better at doing something like that. Um, as far as I can tell, I don't, I honestly couldn't tell you because I haven't looked at it myself, but I don't think Claude Code has, like, schedule, um, tasks. Uh, but Claude Cowork does. Um, and in Claude Cowork you can have it do what you literally just said. Like, you can have it every Sunday do a task, do this set of like list of tasks that you've set out, and it will do it. And you can have multiple, like, things going on at the same time. So yeah, I think Claude Cowork is better for that.

Calum Johnson 49:34 Yeah. And, and to that point, do you find yourself ... 'Cause you have Claude, you have Claude Cowork, you have Claude Code. Do you find yourself, like, actually kind of interacting and, like, switching between ... Like, you might do some-

Oliur 49:48 Yes

Calum Johnson 49:48 ... you might talk in Claude and then take something back into Claude Code, and I guess you're just doing all of this through the app.

Oliur 49:55 Yes. Yeah. I, what I try to do is, um, from my personal experience, trying to stick to one app that can do sort of everything like Claude can, can be very beneficial because all of your stuff is already connected, and it has context. 'Cause, like, as you use an AI agent over time, it obviously builds, like, context, it builds a memory of you, it understands you. It understands the way you like things done. So yeah, in Claude, just the normal Claude, I'm asking questions, like everyday stuff that maybe I would have asked Google Search in the past. Um, Cowork, I'm using it to do stuff like you just said, um, sort of tasks here and there. But I've actually found myself using Cowork to do things like, say there's a folder in my ... I did w- I did it yesterday. I had a folder of images, and there were two different types of image types in there. There was, like, a RAW image and a JPEG image. And I was like, "I don't wanna be selecting each one and putting it into a folder. I'm just gonna ask Claude Cowork, 'Hey, look at this folder. Sort all the images for me into two, into two different folders.'" And it literally did it within, like, 10 seconds, 20 seconds, something ridiculous. Um, that's what I like to use Claude Cowork for. And then Claude Code, I use for building stuff. So if I wanna build a website or wanna w- or I wanna work on a app or I wanna work on my existing projects, that's what I use Claude Code for.

Calum Johnson 51:13 Mm. That's a really good, that's a really good breakdown. You know what? I, um, I think about what you mentioned right in the beginning, that, um, I think for anyone, and, like, the, the use cases are so clear for entrepreneurs, right? And w- we spoke about the wallpapers, we spoke about Digital Creators Club. But specifically if we speak to, um, someone who's, like, in their nine-to-five, like, working a job, you mention that point of being able to engage with this and understand it from an early point is an edge. Like, it, it's a, it's a distinct edge in your career. And so where my mind goes when I hear that is that I think that the action, like, the next action that someone takes after watching this conversation is so key because that's the momentum right there.

Oliur 52:04 Yeah.

Calum Johnson 52:04 And so Oli, to kind of finish off for people, let's say that someone watches this conversation, and then, you know, maybe they have a free Saturday morning or, like, a Sunday evening, uh, they have a few hours to kind of play around with this. What would you recommend that they go and do immediately after listening to this conversation?

Oliur 52:29 So I think with Claude Code specifically, because that's what we've been focused on in this conversation, is th- the most basic thing is building a personal website. Like, just build a personal website. Like, it's so easy to do. I, I ... Like, literally it takes, like, five minutes to build a personal website. Um, tailor it to you, you know. Um, uh, uh, make some adjustments. Make it to use specific fonts that you like or, or specific colors that you like. Um, you know, uh, maybe take one of your profile pictures from Instagram or something, drag and drop it into, into Claude Code, and tell it, "Hey, can you add this picture of me to the website, please?" And I think from there you can build the momentum, because once you start seeing it do stuff and build stuff, you start pushing the limits, but the limit is really you. Like I s- like we've said a couple times now, the limit is your imagination on, like, what you can do. Because I personally haven't come to the limit of Claude Code yet. Now, I'm not some crazy experienced engineer. I know some engineers that have come to the limit. But for the average person, they are not gonna hit the limits of what Claude Code is capable of. The, the AI agent is so smart in what it can do, you really do just have to start trying things, start building things, and I really do think building a personal website is one of them. And then maybe, say, say you had, like, a business idea. I think everyone has, like, that dream business idea that they would do, you know, if they had unlimited money and they didn't have to work, whatever, and ... Or they wanted to become rich. Let's just say [laughs] they wanna become rich and they wanna start a business. Build a website for that business. Use Claude Code to build the website or build the app, or whatever it might be. Um, and then I think from there you're really gonna be like, "Okay. Wow, okay. Uh, may- maybe, maybe this could be something. Maybe, maybe I could make money from this." It can give people that edge of like, oh, anything really is possible.

Calum Johnson 54:25 Yeah. You know, I think that's so good. And, and the funny thing is actually, as you were saying it, is I've been meaning to build, uh, like a personal website for myself, uh, and the show for a long time now, and I've been procrastinating-

Oliur 54:39 [laughs]

Calum Johnson 54:39 ... because I'm like, "This is gonna take hours to do," and it's so, like, fiddly with these, like, w- custom website builders and whatnot. But I also ... You know what's funny is, um, even as I was doing the research and the preparation for this episode, obviously I clicked on your website and I saw ... I think I counted, and I might be off with this. I was just doing, like, a quick count. Like, nine different kinda, like, products, services, or, like, newsletters or, like, affiliates, and it's all housed within this website. And so I remember thinking to myself, I'm like, "The value to someone of just having that digital footprint and, like, that home where, like, everything that you created and built over the course of your career is- It can live. It's like you can't really put a number on what that value's been, what that value's been to you, as an example

Oliur 55:33 Yeah, for sure. Like, I kind of see a personal website as like, it's like a public CV or a public resume, right? Um, but the great thing about it is it- with a CV or a resume, you're forcing it onto someone. So, like, you know, you're looking for a job, you're forcing it onto someone. But with a website, they have to intentionally come to your website. They have to intentionally click to come to your website. And I think they're already ... If, if someone's already doing that, that means that they're, they're already interested in who you are and what you do in some way or another, or they've heard of you. And a website is such a great way, a personal website is such a great way to, to portray who you are, what you do, what you build, w- um, what your life is like. There's so many different ways you can do it. So like a photographer can have a, a personal website obviously w- of their photography portfolio. Um, uh, a, I don't know, like a furniture maker could have something for furniture or whatever. For me, obviously, it's more like, it's like a directory. I like to see my website as a directory. I like to see it as the hub of where I have all, everything that I've learned over the years, links to everything that I've built, and also it's almost like an archive. So like some people go to my blog and they see posts from like 2015, 2016. Um, and I look at those posts as well and I think, "Wow, like I can't believe I was, I was making this stuff back then." Um, but I think again it shows that, oh wow, okay, um, Oliur's been doing this for like over 10 years. Like, you know, he's not fresh to the game and he, and he's not just started the last few months. Um, and it really kind of like ups, I guess you could say, like brownie points, internet points in a way. Um, which I think is important because, you know, I'm sure you get this, you get messages from people online all the time asking for advice, asking for this, that and the other. But if they don't have like a profile picture, or they don't have a website, or don't have any background, I'm just gonna be like, "I don't know who you are." Like it's, it kind of makes it very difficult to, to know who you are and to help you.

Calum Johnson 57:37 And you mention it being like internet points. And I think that, you know, we even started this conversation talking about, uh, someone looking to get a promotion, or make more money, or get a new job, or like any of these things. It's like without that internet resume and like people being able to search you and like see something come up, um, and see like what you've done and why they should care, it's like that's how careers are being built in 2026-

Oliur 58:07 Mm

Calum Johnson 58:07 ... and beyond. So, um, Oliur, I just wanna, I just wanna thank you because, uh, first of all I just feel like you're a great guy. Like you've just been a great guy to speak with.

Oliur 58:18 [laughs]

Calum Johnson 58:18 And then, um-

Oliur 58:19 No, that's really nice of you to say. [laughs]

Calum Johnson 58:21 Yeah. And then you've just been, you've just been really open, uh, with the information and making it really simple for someone to get started. Like literally for me just watching you I, I almost feel bad in a way that I haven't done it yet, like I haven't-

Oliur 58:33 No, don't, don't feel bad. I, I, I really do feel like w- like anyone who's watching this video, and even you thinking about doing this, you're already ahead because you're already thinking about what, you know, to, to, trying to do something. Um, uh, don't feel bad about feeling like, oh, you haven't done something yet. I think, I think if, if, if you, if it was like two or three years down the line I'd be like, "Yo, like, you know, we had this conversation two or three years ago."

Calum Johnson 58:58 [laughs]

Oliur 58:58 "Why haven't you done anything?" [laughs]

Calum Johnson 58:59 [laughs]

Oliur 59:00 So I think that's when you should feel bad.

Calum Johnson 59:01 Yeah. [laughs]

Oliur 59:02 But right now you, you just didn't know what was possible until you see it. It's as simple as that.

Calum Johnson 59:07 Yeah. This is the first step. Oliur, thank you so much, mate. This has been awesome.

Oliur 59:11 Thank you for having me. It's been great.

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