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The Fastest Way To Make Money & Save Time In The New Era Of AI Agents (For Non-Technical People)

Jack Roberts has spent thousands of hours using Claude Code and Hermes Agent. In this episode, he shows non-technical people how to build $10,000 websites, get their first paying client, and set up an AI agent that saves more than 20 hours…

Jack RobertsguestCalum Johnsonhost
Aug 17, 20261h 27mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Hermes Agent + Claude Code: Non-technical system to build, sell, automate

  1. The episode contrasts Hermes Agent as an AI personal assistant that can act proactively across your tools with Claude Code as a desktop environment for building websites, apps, and workflows through natural language.
  2. Jack Roberts argues non-technical people can monetize quickly by using Claude to build high-quality websites—often giving the first one away free to start a relationship and then selling additional services.
  3. A live walkthrough shows a repeatable website-building process using a downloadable “skill,” model selection (including Fable 5), and publishing via GitHub and Vercel, with an emphasis on prompting and sequencing.
  4. Hermes setup is presented as lightweight—copy-paste into Terminal once, then primarily interact through Telegram/WhatsApp—while Hermes can connect to calendars, email, team tools, and a knowledge base to deliver briefs and proactive reminders.
  5. The conversation frames AI agents as a major shift for entrepreneurs, with Jack claiming large savings in time and hiring needs, and recommending beginners focus on getting an early “win” and letting AI teach them as they go.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Hermes Agent and Claude Code are positioned as complementary: “assistant” vs “builder.”

Jack Roberts frames Hermes as a personal assistant that can check emails/calendars, do research, build things, and work in the background, while Claude Code is where he goes to build websites/apps on a computer; he says the overlap is that you can build “Hermes-like” systems inside Claude, but Hermes is a dedicated, open-source assistant built by many developers.

Model-agnostic architecture is a core reason Jack prefers Hermes Agent.

Jack says Hermes is “model agnostic,” describing it as a “car” where you can swap the “driver” (models like ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, etc.), which he argues protects you from betting on a single model and lets you use whichever is best for a task.

Free AI-built websites are used as a relationship-first acquisition funnel.

Jack claims one of the fastest ways to get a first paying client is to build a business a free, high-quality website using AI as a lead magnet, then use that relationship to sell follow-on services and recurring revenue; he adds that even if they decline, you can ask for referrals and collect testimonials.

Start with conversion structure, then design—otherwise the output may look great but fail its purpose.

Jack explains his approach to usefulness: first reverse-engineer “best in class” websites in a niche (what winners do vs losers), then apply those conversion elements before adding “beautiful design,” because he says visually good sites can still be functionally “garbage.”

Reusable “skills” and a clear build pipeline turn website creation into a repeatable process.

Jack demonstrates a “skill” (a packaged prompt/workflow) inside Claude, says he spent many hours and money refining it, and shows a simple sequence: add the skill file, answer guided questions, pick a model, and have Claude build/publish; he also describes GitHub as where code lives and Vercel as where the site is hosted.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

So you literally name it. It's becoming almost like the interface for essentially anything that you like.

— Jack Roberts

Your day job is a superpower, okay? Your day job keeps the lights on, but your future is built in the evenings and weekends.

— Jack Roberts

This is an era for creative people, for non-technical people, where us- we used to have to hire a load of developers that we didn't really understand what they were saying or doing. Now, if y- if you can imagine it and you understand the basics, you can effectively build this sort of stuff.

— Jack Roberts

The big difference between that and Hermes Agent is that Hermes actually does work for you.

— Jack Roberts

It's tough not to make money doing this if you apply the correct steps in the right order.

— Jack Roberts

Read the available transcript
Hermes Agent vs Claude Code rolesModel-agnostic agents and swapping LLMsWebsite-building as first-client funnelReverse-engineering winning niche websitesClaude “skills” and prompting sequencesTokens, cost/speed/performance trade-offsHermes setup, Telegram interface, and integrations

SPEAKERS

  • Jack Roberts

    guest

    AI automation/AI agents practitioner and entrepreneur (law background), discussing building AI-agent workflows and products for non-technical users.

  • Calum Johnson

    host

    Host of The Calum Johnson Show; interviewer who introduces the episode, asks questions, and reads sponsorship/closing segments.

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