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Inside Standard Capital: New $425M Series A Fund, Explained

In this episode, Dalton + Michael discuss the background and details for Dalton's new Series A fund, @Standard_Cap D+M discuss the key ideas and inspiration for Standard Capital from many years of working with founders at Y Combinator.

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  1. 0:000:42

    Decoding Series A “VC speak” and why fundraising feels broken

    1. DA

      Think about how much of our job at YC has been-

    2. MI

      Yes

    3. DA

      ... decoding VC speak-

    4. MI

      [laughs]

    5. DA

      ... into English.

    6. MI

      [laughs] Yes.

    7. DA

      Any words that aren't yes-

    8. MI

      [laughs]

    9. DA

      ... is a no.

    10. MI

      Yeah. [laughs]

    11. DA

      But, like, with all this, like, extra accoutrements on the edges. If you get an email and there's like lots of words in it, that's a no.

    12. MI

      Yes. [upbeat music] Hello, this is Dalton plus Michael, and today we're gonna talk about Standard Capital, the new fund by Dalton and PB. As a kind of 30-second preview, why don't you tell us a little bit about, um, how you decided to start this fund, and why is it different?

  2. 0:422:57

    From founder experience to fund thesis: bringing YC-style simplicity to Series A

    1. DA

      I think to start with, um, as you know, I give a lot of advice over the years as a YC partner on pivots.

    2. MI

      Yes.

    3. DA

      And one of the things I th- I try to do when giving someone advice about a pivot is I try to imagine of all ideas this person could work in in the world-

    4. MI

      Mm

    5. DA

      ... where do they have the most unfair advantages? Where do they have the best network? Like, I believe that every person has, like, a perfect idea for them, and that my job is to try to pull out of any founder what their ideal idea is.

    6. MI

      I have stolen that line.

    7. DA

      [laughs] Like, maybe 100 times.

    8. MI

      Yeah. [laughs]

    9. DA

      [laughs] Maybe, maybe 100 times.

    10. MI

      It's helpful, especially in the sea of, "Well, I could do anything."

    11. DA

      Yeah.

    12. MI

      Yes.

    13. DA

      There's, there's too many choices. There's-

    14. MI

      Too many choices

    15. DA

      ... um, but if you think about it this way, everyone has one really-

    16. MI

      Yes, yes

    17. DA

      ... uh, good idea. And so-

    18. MI

      By the way, I love that too, because it's kind of like in a really hard competition, you wanna play games you're good at.

    19. DA

      Yes. [laughs]

    20. MI

      [laughs] And like, the, the world is a really hard competition. [laughs]

    21. DA

      [laughs] It's like...

    22. MI

      Yeah. Okay. So-

    23. DA

      And so, so this is an idea that I crafted very specifically for this founding team-

    24. MI

      Yes

    25. DA

      ... which is PB, myself, and Brian Burg.

    26. MI

      Yes.

    27. DA

      And kind of the idea is to take a lot of what makes YC work at the seed stage-

    28. MI

      Yes

    29. DA

      ... and apply it to the Series A. Um, the way I like to explain this is 20 years ago I raised a seed round.

    30. MI

      Yep.

  3. 2:576:40

    Why Series A remains painful: long cycles, ghosting, and “optional” relationship games

    1. DA

      And it was like I had to get warm intros to people, I put them in my CRM, I had to go on coffee dates to get to know people and go through this complicated process-

    2. MI

      I'm sure you loved those coffee dates.

    3. DA

      Oh, I lo- You know me. I love them.

    4. MI

      [laughs]

    5. DA

      There's one thing I love-

    6. MI

      Coffee dates with random investors. [laughs]

    7. DA

      Oh, yeah, that's like... Love that stuff.

    8. MI

      Put it on my calendar. [laughs]

    9. DA

      [laughs] And, and then the, the craziest thing about the process, I remember, and I'm sure this still stings you-

    10. MI

      Yeah

    11. DA

      ... is where you would spend all this time with people over weeks or months, and they would like wanna go out to dinner and be your best friend and talk about how great you were.

    12. MI

      Yeah. It was-

    13. DA

      And then like, "Oh, you know, we're definitely coming in," and then they would, like, pass at the very end.

    14. MI

      Often silently. [laughs]

    15. DA

      They would ghost you.

    16. MI

      Yes.

    17. DA

      Um, or they would be, yeah, they would be like, "Oh, this is just perfunctory, like, we're definitely in," and then you would get, like, the very weird pass at the end.

    18. MI

      Yes.

    19. DA

      After literally months of time and effort.

    20. MI

      Yes.

    21. DA

      And it was crushing, and it was a huge time waste, and I felt horrible 'cause I wasn't working on my startup when I was doing these fundraisers. I was st- I was instead fundraising.

    22. MI

      Well, and to that point, I was told, like, this was an important part of being a founder, but I'd always found it a little confusing-

    23. DA

      Well, you weren't adding any value.

    24. MI

      [laughs] Yeah, my company was not getting better. [laughs]

    25. DA

      You weren't creating value. [laughs] No.

    26. MI

      Yeah, the company was getting worse. [laughs] It's like-

    27. DA

      You know?

    28. MI

      ... here's a side quest, and then y- you need money, but, like, I feel like that was a bit of a lie. Like, oh, this side quest is gonna help you with your com- It's like-

    29. DA

      Yeah

    30. MI

      ... no, it's gonna get me money.

  4. 6:4011:18

    Introducing the Standard Capital team: Paul Buchheit (PB) and his “truth bomb” style

    1. DA

      And so that's the context, which is, look, we saw what made YC work. Uh-

    2. MI

      Yes

    3. DA

      ... PB was, was at the second demo day as an angel investor, and so he's-

    4. MI

      We should probably introduce PB a little bit more.

    5. DA

      Yeah. You should, you should say who PB is.

    6. MI

      Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So, uh, PB, Paul, Paul Buchheit, um, I often tell founders that Paul Buchheit gave both of my startups the single most important pieces of advice, which is crazy, 'cause it was like-

    7. DA

      [laughs]

    8. MI

      ... you know, it was like infinite value creating the first time, and then, like, I still remember the second time being like, "Wait, I think he might have just did it again."

    9. DA

      [laughs] Like, like what are you-

    10. MI

      That guy

    11. DA

      ... like, what is happening? [laughs]

    12. MI

      He just drops truth, truth bombs on you, Michael. Just dropping a truth bomb.

    13. DA

      Just bang.

    14. MI

      So, um, Paul was a very early employee of, of Google, uh-

    15. DA

      23. He was number 23

    16. MI

      ... 23. Um, he was an angel investor in a lot of companies, uh, Twitch and Socialcam included. I always respected his, his style. He, he, you know, he's not gonna hold your hand and give you, like, eight hugs, and be like, "Oh, how do you feel today about the experience of a startup?"

    17. DA

      [laughs]

    18. MI

      [laughs] He's not gonna do that.

    19. DA

      No.

    20. MI

      But, like, when you give him a problem, there's like an 85% chance he will give you a better solution than you're gonna come up with, and like h- I... He's been doing it for like 20 years. [laughs] Like...

    21. DA

      Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things, when you meet someone that's really smart, you can just tell-

    22. MI

      Yeah

    23. DA

      ... that they're just operating with more horsepower.

    24. MI

      Yes.

    25. DA

      Like, whatever's going on-

    26. MI

      Yes, yes, yes

    27. DA

      ... he's-

    28. MI

      Yes

    29. DA

      ... he's got a lot of horsepower up there, and so if you can kinda direct him the right way-

    30. MI

      You're gonna get a, you're gonna get a nugget. And like, you know, it turns out companies don't need like 100 nuggets.

  5. 11:1813:34

    Brian Burg and the “software-first” operating model inspired by YC

    1. MI

      So no, so I mean, that's in- That's incredible, and then you've got your old co-founder joining as well.

    2. DA

      Yeah, Brian was-

    3. MI

      Yes

    4. DA

      ... you know, the CTO of imeem-

    5. MI

      Yes

    6. DA

      ... and he was the CTO of my second company, Mixpanel Labs.

    7. MI

      Yes.

    8. DA

      So we ran a company together for over a decade.

    9. MI

      Yes.

    10. DA

      And, you know, when I started at YC, I introduced him to Patrick Collison.

    11. MI

      Okay.

    12. DA

      Um, he became employee 70 at Stripe. And-

    13. MI

      Okay. That's pretty good

    14. DA

      ... he's been an engineer there the whole time.

    15. MI

      Okay.

    16. DA

      Um, writing code, you know. He was reporting to the CTO of Stripe.

    17. MI

      But, but wait, Dawson, you're starting a VC fund. Why would you need so-

    18. DA

      Yeah

    19. MI

      ... like why, you know, we all know that you need to get Microsoft 365. [laughs]

    20. DA

      [laughs] Microsoft Teams.

    21. MI

      Microsoft Teams.

    22. DA

      I've been having to use a lot of Microsoft Teams recently, man. It's not good.

    23. MI

      It's one package. [laughs] Well, why do you need a software developer?

    24. DA

      Well, I mean, look, we saw what made YC great-

    25. MI

      Yeah

    26. DA

      ... which is at its core is it was a software company created by a person that loved software-

    27. MI

      Yeah

    28. DA

      ... and didn't love people. Just kidding.

    29. MI

      [laughs]

    30. DA

      Didn't love hiring a bunch of people-

  6. 13:3416:13

    The hidden downside of traditional A rounds: reputation networks and board risk

    1. MI

      I think one of the funny things i- is, like, y'all are unpacking so many things where I feel like this awkward process that's been created around Series As, it's not obvious it makes the Series A investors' lives easier either.

    2. DA

      Well, I think so much of, of the classical Series A investor is relationship based-

    3. MI

      Sure

    4. DA

      ... and reputation based, where a lot of what they do-

    5. MI

      Fair

    6. DA

      ... is they have people they trust.

    7. MI

      Yep.

    8. DA

      And they trust the people that they trust to tell them who to give money to, and that's kind of the business. Again, that's not a great, you know, but that's... At the end of the day, that's the, that's the business.

    9. MI

      It's just sad. Like, when I hear that, it's sad because it's like, you know, for better or for worse, especially in a lot of these kind of shotgun processes, like, these people don't know each other that well.

    10. DA

      No. And then it's no big deal. They're just gonna be on your board, and they can fire you, right?

    11. MI

      [laughs] Yeah.

    12. DA

      No big deal. Oh, you're, you're, you're just meeting a stranger, and maybe they invest, and then they fire you someday. Oh, yeah, that's a... I'm being facetious again, but look, it's-

    13. MI

      Closer to the truth than not. [laughs]

    14. DA

      We, we have a lot of secret stories that we can never tell-

    15. MI

      Yeah

    16. DA

      ... that we learned, uh, at YC around bad board members.

    17. MI

      Yeah.

    18. DA

      And, um, what was that quote? Uh, not, this is not my quote, but I remember a founder being like, "Look, a board member is either a plus one, a zero, or a minus one. There's only a handful of plus ones in the whole world, so try to get a zero." [laughs]

    19. MI

      [laughs] Go for zero.

    20. DA

      Try to get a zero board member, and, like, if you can get a zero, then at least you don't have the minus ones. That wasn't a joke either when that, when that founder was telling the story.

    21. MI

      It's, it's so hard 'cause I think that, like, I don't blame founders for believing that boards can help. What I do wish is that I wish there was a way for a founder to kind of be in one public board meeting.

    22. DA

      Yeah. Well, for context, Michael, you're on the board of Reddit.

    23. MI

      Yeah, Reddit and Dropbox.

    24. DA

      And you're on the board of Dropbox.

    25. MI

      Yeah. And, like, I just wish I could bring them into one meeting, and they'd be like, "Well, this is like-"

    26. DA

      This is how-

    27. MI

      "... this is gold"

    28. DA

      ... the standard works.

    29. MI

      "This is fine." [laughs] Like, if this is winning, [laughs] like, what are you gonna have?

    30. DA

      Yeah.

  7. 16:1318:01

    Standard Capital feature set: YC-style application, no warm intros, minimal founder time

    1. DA

      Okay, so you're starting this new fund.

    2. MI

      Yeah, so let me just tell you the actual features. That seems re- 'cause we're, we're-

    3. DA

      Nice

    4. MI

      ... we're dancing around. Let me-

    5. DA

      I love it

    6. MI

      ... here's the features.

    7. DA

      How is it different?

    8. MI

      Number one, you're gonna apply on our website. We're creating an application process just like we had at YC, which has been the thing I've been-

    9. DA

      Yes

    10. MI

      ... you know, working on all these years.

    11. DA

      Yes.

    12. MI

      And so you won't need a warm intro. You don't... It'll just be a website. Anyone in the world can apply.

    13. DA

      Put yourself in the mindset, we've seen founders invest easily a month in creating a deck, editing a deck-

    14. MI

      That no one reads

    15. DA

      ... practicing a deck.

    16. MI

      And the deck is bad. So it's like-

    17. DA

      Hey. [laughs]

    18. MI

      I shouldn't say... I, I'm... Basically, often the first draft of decks that we see could use some improvement.

    19. DA

      Yes. [laughs]

    20. MI

      How's the-

    21. DA

      Is that a-

    22. MI

      That's... Yeah

    23. DA

      ... is that an even-

    24. MI

      Really bad. [laughs]

    25. DA

      But, and, and yet it's not for lack of effort.

    26. MI

      No.

    27. DA

      Decks are hard.

    28. MI

      Decks are hard.

    29. DA

      Decks are hard.

    30. MI

      And this isn't, like, the job, which is, like, making your users-

  8. 18:0119:15

    Standard terms: publishing a standard Series A term sheet upfront

    1. DA

      Number two, the reason it's called Standard Capital-

    2. MI

      Mm-hmm

    3. DA

      ... is that we're creating a standard Series A term sheet.

    4. MI

      Mm.

    5. DA

      YC created the SAFE.And it's just on our website

    6. MI

      Whoa, whoa, whoa, so I don't have to spend $250,000 with my lawyers for the privilege?

    7. DA

      Well, they might still try to bill you. I'm just kidding. [laughs]

    8. MI

      [laughs]

    9. DA

      But what's cool is you can just... Anyone in the world can go look at the safe document-

    10. MI

      Yeah

    11. DA

      ... and know what the terms are before you talk to any investors. Before anyone applies to Standard Capital, they can just go read our, our term sheet. They can read our terms.

    12. MI

      I love that.

    13. DA

      Isn't that cool?

    14. MI

      It-

    15. DA

      And so you'll know exactly what the deal is before you apply.

    16. MI

      This is-

    17. DA

      Instead of it being this opaque thing where they show you the terms at the very end of the process-

    18. MI

      Yes

    19. DA

      ... after you've said yes.

    20. MI

      Well, that's the crazy thing.

    21. DA

      [laughs]

    22. MI

      It's like they show you, like, some terms in the term sheet.

    23. DA

      Yeah.

    24. MI

      And then, because obviously as a founder you've had time to go to law school-

    25. DA

      [laughs]

    26. MI

      ... they show you this, like, huge document that's full of, like, things that they've spent a lot of time thinking about [laughs]

    27. DA

      And you haven't.

    28. MI

      [laughs]

    29. DA

      And you're at the end of the process, so what are you gonna do, tell them no?

    30. MI

      Yeah. Like, you have no leverage.

  9. 19:1521:28

    Name your price: 10% standard deal and founder-chosen check size

    1. DA

      The other thing that's super cool-

    2. MI

      Yes

    3. DA

      ... is that the standard deal will be for 10% of the company-

    4. MI

      Yes

    5. DA

      ... uh, for our lead check.

    6. MI

      Yeah.

    7. DA

      And the founder, as part of the application, will choose their price of how much money they want to raise from us in exchange for 10%. So picture a text box-

    8. MI

      [laughs]

    9. DA

      ... where you can type in six.

    10. MI

      Yeah.

    11. DA

      $6 million in exchange for 10% of the company, and that's just part of the application. You're just filling it out. You're like, "Okay, six," you know, "seven."

    12. MI

      How often have we sat down with a founder and they've said, "Well, I think I need this much money, but should I ask for this much money so that they can do this? And then if I ask for a smaller amount, then I get multiple people, but..." And the... And it's this fucking like-

    13. DA

      It's used car sales.

    14. MI

      [laughs] Yes.

    15. DA

      It's, it's like-

    16. MI

      Yes

    17. DA

      ... it's a used car thing.

    18. MI

      Yes.

    19. DA

      It's like going to the market and bartering at the flea market.

    20. MI

      Literally. [laughs]

    21. DA

      [laughs]

    22. MI

      I argue the flea market's easier. You get the deal done that day. [laughs]

    23. DA

      It's, it's, it's true. It's, like, such a weird, awkward... Again, I'm gonna use that word awkward. It's a very awkward-

    24. MI

      Yes

    25. DA

      ... process to do a negotiation like it's like the olden times.

    26. MI

      Yes.

    27. DA

      Uh, 'cause founders always ask me, I don't know if they ask you this, but they're like, "Dalton, what's the equation to determine our valuation?" And I'm like, "Founder, I'm gonna..." It's like I'm telling them Santa Claus isn't real.

    28. MI

      [laughs]

    29. DA

      I'm, let me, let me real with you. There's no equation. Everyone just makes up numbers.

    30. MI

      Yep.

  10. 21:2825:39

    Service-level commitment: a firm yes/no timeline and reducing founder “psychic damage”

    1. DA

      Um, we're gonna have a quality of service where it'll tell you how many days before you get a firm yes or no from us.

    2. MI

      That's, that's impossible to do.

    3. DA

      I know.

    4. MI

      How could you ever... Uh, there's vacations. There's-

    5. DA

      Yeah, you have to think about-

    6. MI

      ... the hot deal you have to chase.

    7. DA

      Yeah. 'Cause imagine, when you were a founder, Michael, imagine if someone could actually promise you by what date that you would know they were confirmatively in or out. Even if they weren't, even if it's a no, what a gift to know where you stand versus you just getting stretched out, "Oh, I need one more meeting. Oh, I need to schedule the partner meeting. Oh, I need to do the..." There's always these extra steps that get added at the very end.

    8. MI

      It's just so weird 'cause, like, I'm gonna say if/when this works and people tell the stories about how... Like, people are gonna be like, "It never... This isn't how it was. Dalton, you must be exaggerating." [laughs] Like, "This is not... [laughs] Like, why, how, how did companies even happen if they had to go [laughs] through this?"

    9. DA

      Yeah.

    10. MI

      And sometimes I think, like, companies succeed despite this bullshit. Um-

    11. DA

      Yes. [laughs]

    12. MI

      That's a good, that's a good way to say it. This is a nec- this has always been a necessary evil.

    13. DA

      Yes.

    14. MI

      Still is kind of a necessary evil, but-

    15. DA

      Yes

    16. MI

      ... uh, there's some hair on the process.

    17. DA

      Wow, so much hair.

    18. MI

      And, you know, this is what founders like to talk about when they get together, is, like, all their horror stories. God knows I have some.

    19. DA

      I think it's been so interesting 'cause I think oftentimes I'll talk to a VC and they will say, "Our process is amazing."

    20. MI

      Yep.

    21. DA

      And then I will be like, "I have talked to founders who've pitched your firm."

    22. MI

      Yeah.

    23. DA

      Um, y- there's one firm who's like, "Went to a partner meeting, full partnership meeting. No contact for two weeks." [laughs]

    24. MI

      They were thinking about it.

    25. DA

      It's like, I, I... No, they weren't thinking about it. [laughs]

    26. MI

      [laughs]

    27. DA

      But, um, it's, it's almost, almost they're blind. And, like, to lightly defend investors, I think that there's no upside for anyone ever telling you to your face they don't like your process and that they don't appreciate it, and so ev- both sides wanna preserve optionality. 'Cause if you're a founder, you're like-

    28. MI

      Fair, yeah, yeah

    29. DA

      ... "I don't like you, and I don't like your process, and I'm mad at you." What? I would never advise a founder to tell an investor that. It's all downside. And so I, I genuinely think some of these folks aren't aware of how much psychic damage they inflict on people.

    30. MI

      So here's the thing. I'll... Let's say I'll give you that. Enough of these people were founders.

  11. 25:3929:01

    Community without board seats: quarterly peer groups modeled on YC group office hours

    1. MI

      Let's talk about community. So-

    2. DA

      Yeah

    3. MI

      ... we, you invested in the company.

    4. DA

      So if you think about why YC really worked, you go look at the first batch that Justin was in-

    5. MI

      Yep

    6. DA

      ... and that Sam Altman was in.

    7. MI

      Yep.

    8. DA

      And it was just like six companies.

    9. MI

      Yep.

    10. DA

      You know? And in, with the benefit of hindsight, those were some of the most important people in the world.

    11. MI

      Yep.

    12. DA

      And those people had a good experience, and they told other people about it.

    13. MI

      Yep.

    14. DA

      And that ultimately the reason someone wants to be a part of YC is to opt in to being a part of the community and the other founders. It's not just the advice from the partners. That's only a small part of it.

    15. MI

      Yeah.

    16. DA

      It's kinda like joining the club.

    17. MI

      Yes.

    18. DA

      And so the community aspect is the following, and this is, you know, kinda bold.

    19. MI

      Yeah.

    20. DA

      Number one, we're not gonna take a board seat.

    21. MI

      Yep.

    22. DA

      Founders don't want someone who might fire them.

    23. MI

      [laughs]

    24. DA

      It's weird to, to be begging for money from someone that might fire you.

    25. MI

      Yeah.

    26. DA

      Very, very awkward situation again, and you don't really have time to get to know them well.

    27. MI

      No.

    28. DA

      Certainly not to pressure test your relationship.

    29. MI

      No. [laughs]

    30. DA

      Um... [laughs] And again, there's, there's great board members out there. I'm just saying it's a, it's a, it's a tricky situation.

  12. 29:0130:48

    Curating a peer group for AI builders with PMF—and why that’s rare and valuable

    1. MI

      You know, I remember Pedro from Brex came in to talk to the batch, and, and he said a version of this. He said, "I started accelerating so much more quickly when I stopped asking investors to summarize what they saw other great founders do, and I started to just ask those founders-

    2. DA

      Directly

    3. MI

      ... what do they do." Most people going to YC, they're coming out of college, and they have a peer group that's like this, and then you just give them this peer group that's like, "Yeah, we all wanna make the next Google."

    4. DA

      Yeah. Yeah.

    5. MI

      That's different. Like, you know, like, you, you just upleveled everyone's ambition. We've talked about this for years. Like, the same thing doesn't quite exist-

    6. DA

      Yeah

    7. MI

      ... for later stage folks.

    8. DA

      Well, think about it. We're curating the peer group of AI builders that have product market fit. Like, right?

    9. MI

      Yeah.

    10. DA

      Like, that's the bar to get in-

    11. MI

      Yeah

    12. DA

      ... to this-

    13. MI

      Yeah

    14. DA

      ... is you have to have PMF.

    15. MI

      Yeah.

    16. DA

      That's, like, pretty cool. There's not... You know, that's a much... [laughs]

    17. MI

      Yes.

    18. DA

      That's a much more rare thing, 'cause think about how many of the really successful folks we know, they don't even have... They, they have their peer group from the batch, but they're all... People are at different levels of success, okay?

    19. MI

      Yes.

    20. DA

      This is like, whoa, these people are all on my level. I think that's pretty powerful. And again, I'm, I'm super excited that we get to, to, to power this for people.

    21. MI

      You know, a lot of times when I have conversations with investors, I think that theyOvervalue the money they're giving.

    22. DA

      Mm.

    23. MI

      And they overvalue their personal advice. What I like about this is, like, you're creating a structure where you're almost forced to not overvalue this. Like, you're almost-

    24. DA

      Yeah

    25. MI

      ... forced to create value not in those areas.

    26. DA

      Exactly. Yeah, we're happy to give advice, but this, the, the, the value prop is not we'll, we're the best advice givers.

    27. MI

      Yeah.

    28. DA

      That's not the value prop at all.

    29. MI

      No.

    30. DA

      Right?

  13. 30:4834:39

    Positive-sum thesis and the AI-driven operating mindset (MVP now, iterate like YC)

    1. DA

      The other thing I feel like we learn from YC is PG is deeply anti-zero-sum thinking.

    2. MI

      Mm-hmm.

    3. DA

      And so-

    4. MI

      Mm-hmm

    5. DA

      ... the zero-sum way to think about startups is there's only one good startup that's started every year.

    6. MI

      Yeah.

    7. DA

      And that if you don't fund that one startup, you're bad.

    8. MI

      Yes.

    9. DA

      And he had real issues of skepticism around Y Combinator when he started it, 'cause they were like, "Oh, you're just gonna fund all the bad startups." [laughs]

    10. MI

      [laughs] Great model, dude.

    11. DA

      This does- this doesn't make-

    12. MI

      [laughs]

    13. DA

      This makes- this is the worst idea.

    14. MI

      [laughs]

    15. DA

      Like, a lot of people were like, "You should just give up, man."

    16. MI

      You're gonna build a baseball team with all the worst baseball players. [laughs]

    17. DA

      [laughs] Like, you're selecting for bad companies.

    18. MI

      [laughs]

    19. DA

      Are you nuts? Okay? Th- seriously, and again-

    20. MI

      Yeah. Yes

    21. DA

      ... that really was the-

    22. MI

      Yes

    23. DA

      ... the public perception around it.

    24. MI

      Yes.

    25. DA

      And his point, which he's written about a lot, is that there could be more success in the world-

    26. MI

      Yes

    27. DA

      ... and that there is not a fixed amount of successful startups.

    28. MI

      Yes.

    29. DA

      And there's not a fixed amount of wealth, and there's not a fixed amount of growth.

    30. MI

      Yeah.

  14. 34:3935:08

    How to apply: standardcap.com and closing remarks

    1. MI

      Yeah. It's on the nose. So, um, as a last thing, how do they, how do people find you?

    2. DA

      Uh, standardcap.com.

    3. MI

      Okay.

    4. DA

      Um, probably there'll be a link next to this video when we talk about it. And-

    5. MI

      There you go

    6. DA

      ... there's just be an application, and it'll, it'll all be documented and super transparent.

    7. MI

      Okay. And the first 10 people who apply get 10 million bucks each.

    8. DA

      From Michael. [laughs]

    9. MI

      [laughs] I like what you did there. Dalton, great chat.

    10. DA

      All right. Appreciate it. Thanks, Michael. [outro music]

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