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Process vs Chaos In Startups

In this episode of Dalton + Michael discuss their age old debate of how much process is too much vs too little. When you are designing a process are you creating art or manufacturing bolts? Dalton + Michael is brought to you by @Standard_Cap You can find Dalton Caldwell on X here: https://x.com/daltonc and Michael Seibel here: https://x.com/mwseibel

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Oct 22, 202512mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. MS

    A Google style of carefulness was being applied by a startup whose sole job was to explore the risky paths.

  2. DC

    You can end up where the process becomes this big, and the actual product is this big. It, it'd be like if at-

  3. MS

    Yes

  4. DC

    ... at the bolt factory, there was 1,000 process people-

  5. MS

    Yes

  6. DC

    ... and one guy making bolts.

  7. MS

    And one bolt a day comes out of the factory. [laughs]

  8. DC

    [laughs]

  9. MS

    [upbeat music] Welcome to Dalton + Michael. Today, we're gonna talk about, we might even debate-

  10. DC

    Ooh

  11. MS

    ... slightly-

  12. DC

    [laughs]

  13. MS

    ... process, procedure.

  14. DC

    The P word.

  15. MS

    Bureaucracy.

  16. DC

    Yep.

  17. MS

    Meetings. And the kinda, the prompt for this one is, um, confusing an organized process with an effective process, and confusing chaos with ineffective or bad outcomes.

  18. DC

    Yeah, I mean, I think the context here is you and I have debated this for many years-

  19. MS

    Yeah

  20. DC

    ... as colleagues.

  21. MS

    Would people guess which s- I don't know that people-

  22. DC

    Yeah, what do you think? Who's the pro-process and anti-process person?

  23. MS

    Yes, and who's the chaos guy?

  24. DC

    Yeah, who's... I think they-

  25. MS

    I think they would assume I'm the chaos guy. I think they might.

  26. DC

    People who know me would never. [laughs]

  27. MS

    It's a great point. You're right. I actually have no idea if people understand-

  28. DC

    Yeah

  29. MS

    ... that I'm the anti-process guy. [laughs]

  30. DC

    [laughs]

Episode duration: 12:48

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