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a16z's First Employee on the History of a16z, Venture Capital & Fixing the Government | Scott Kupor

Scott Kupor is the director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM), which serves as the HR and talent agency for the federal government's roughly two million civilian employees. He worked with Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz at Loudcloud and Opsware, which sold to Hewlett-Packard in 2007. In 2009 he became the first employee of Andreessen Horowitz, where he spent 16 and a half years as managing partner, building the firm's operations and later investing in later-stage healthcare companies. Scott explains how a16z adapted Michael Ovitz's CAA model to venture capital, how the Skype deal and a willingness to market in an industry that considered it taboo accelerated the firm, and why he had to set his ego aside as the firm grew. He also shares why he left for government, why its incentive structure is "completely screwed up," how OPM is changing performance ratings and promotion rules, and how programs like Tech Force aim to bring young talent into government. He also tells the story of the underground mine in Boyers, Pennsylvania, where federal retirement paperwork was processed by hand for decades. Show notes: https://www.davidsenra.com/episode/scott-kupor Made possible by Ramp: https://ramp.com Deel: https://deel.com/senra AppLovin: https://applovin.com/senra David Senra X: https://x.com/davidsenra Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidsenra LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidsenra Facebook: https://www.linkedin.com/company/senrashow Threads: https://www.threads.com/@davidsenra Spotify: https://spti.fi/TVrr557 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/4msoZtb Website: https://www.davidsenra.com Scott Kupor X: https://x.com/skupor LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottkupor Chapters 00:00:00 Quitting HP mid-financial crisis to join a16z 00:01:37 His first day 00:04:00 How a16z copied Michael Ovitz's CAA playbook 00:10:18 After-hours bourbon in Marc Andreessen's office 00:13:31 The Skype deal that returned half the first fund 00:18:37 Why VCs thought marketing was beneath them 00:21:48 Swallowing his ego as a16z grew 00:27:12 Why he left a16z to run the government's HR 00:30:37 Why government is afraid to take any risk 00:33:24 Why 99.7% of federal employees get a passing grade 00:36:13 Recruiting 1,000 engineers into government 00:38:37 Only 7% of the federal workforce is under 30 00:40:31 Why "a job for life" is the wrong pitch 00:43:09 Why the government would never have hired Big Balls 00:46:39 Why DOGE had to be a big bang 00:48:56 The underground mine with 400 million pages of paper 00:55:28 Why government has to accept some failure 00:57:14 How young people can join

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Nov 4, 202658mWatch on YouTube ↗

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:02 – 1:37

    Leaving HP in 2008 to help launch a16z during the financial crisis

    Scott Kupor recounts selling a company to Hewlett-Packard, working through the post-acquisition period, and then weighing whether to join Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz as they institutionalized their angel investing into a venture firm. He describes the fear and uncertainty of making that leap as the global financial crisis intensified.

    • •Scott Kupor describes the post-acquisition period at Hewlett-Packard after the 2007 sale.
    • •He recalls conversations in summer 2008 about raising a fund, followed by the shock of Lehman’s collapse.
    • •He shares how hard it was to decide to quit a stable job and relocate from North Carolina back to the Bay Area.
    • •He explains he became the first employee rather than a co-founder and jokes about the firm name if he’d joined earlier.
  2. 1:37 – 3:23

    The “no job description” reality: building a firm from scratch

    Scott explains that Marc and Ben planned to focus on investing while he handled everything else required to build the organization. He tells a first-day story about sending a capital call from a personal Gmail account and the lessons that followed.

    • •Scott says there was no job description beyond “figure out everything else we need to do to build a firm.”
    • •Early tasks included basic office setup, banking, and operations.
    • •He explains how capital calls work and recounts sending one before even having a firm email address.
    • •An LP reacted suspiciously, which pushed them to set up an official a16z domain and proper processes.
  3. 3:23 – 4:00

    The platform idea begins: hiring specialists to support founders

    Scott describes the early thesis that a16z would build a services component alongside investing. He explains how they hired domain experts to create networks (talent, business development, and more) and scaled rapidly in headcount.

    • •Scott describes the firm’s early goal of building “services” that founders could rely on.
    • •He mentions building networks like talent and business development relationships.
    • •He says much of his initial role became hiring specialists and building operating functions.
    • •He notes rapid growth from three people to roughly one hundred in the first year and how the firm later expanded far beyond that.
  4. 4:00 – 10:29

    Michael Ovitz and the CAA “phalanx” model applied to venture capital

    Scott explains how Michael Ovitz influenced the firm’s design by sharing how CAA scaled beyond a one-to-one agent model. He connects that playbook to a16z’s ambition to surround entrepreneurs with a full team rather than relying on a single GP’s personal network.

    • •Scott says Michael Ovitz was influential and shared lessons from building CAA.
    • •He describes how CAA kept the primary relationship but brought specialized experts into the client’s orbit.
    • •He explains the analogy to venture capital’s traditional reliance on a single “uber connector.”
    • •He describes the concept of “disaggregating” the GP role by hiring specialists around functional needs (talent, marketing, government relations, etc.).
    • •He introduces the firm’s “reverse pitch,” where the firm pitched its platform back to founders.
  5. 10:29 – 13:01

    After-hours bourbon with Marc and Ben: informal culture and learning

    Scott shares a vivid early-days routine of ending evenings with bourbon in Marc Andreessen’s office. He frames it as agenda-free time for camaraderie, conversation, and learning—without the stereotypical excess.

    • •Scott describes gathering after work to drink bourbon and talk in Marc’s office.
    • •He mentions Marc’s bourbon collection and the small details that made it a ritual.
    • •He emphasizes the lack of a formal agenda and the value of casual intellectual conversation.
    • •He describes the atmosphere as building camaraderie while trying to build something new.
  6. 13:01 – 18:37

    Early momentum: the Skype deal, fast wins, and fundraising acceleration

    Scott explains how investing in Skype early—despite criticism—created dramatic momentum for the firm. He describes how the outcome changed perceptions, returned significant capital quickly, and supported the ability to staff the platform model.

    • •Scott recounts investing in Skype early after closing the first fund, alongside Silver Lake.
    • •He describes the criticism that a16z was effectively doing a buyout after pitching early-stage venture.
    • •He notes the IP dispute concerns and how the deal team addressed them collaboratively.
    • •He says the firm sold Skype to Microsoft for a multiple of the purchase price within a short period.
    • •He explains how early wins helped raise the second fund earlier than planned and enabled further hiring.
    • •He notes Marc and Ben initially took no salary to direct fees toward building the team.
  7. 18:37 – 21:48

    Why VC marketing was “verboten”—and why a16z did it anyway

    Scott argues that traditional venture firms didn’t market because capital scarcity gave VCs leverage, making outreach unnecessary. He explains how a16z, lacking an established track record, used narrative and marketing to compete differently—while taking criticism from other firms.

    • •Scott says marketing in venture capital was historically considered inappropriate.
    • •He attributes the old dynamic to capital scarcity and a power imbalance favoring VCs.
    • •He says a16z needed to tell a story because it couldn’t compete on legacy logos and track record.
    • •He describes competing on “capital plus” by marketing the platform and services model.
    • •He recounts hearing competitor skepticism relayed through LP conversations and frames a16z’s approach as category creation.
  8. 21:48 – 26:56

    Swallowing ego and scaling: decentralizing the firm and finding his investing lane

    Scott explains how a16z’s growth forced a shift from a centralized structure—where much reported to him—to specialized domain teams. He describes feeling the sting of a smaller role, then finding a better fit by moving into later-stage investing focused more on operational scaling than early-stage technical evaluation.

    • •Scott explains he initially stayed operational because he wasn’t a deep technologist and couldn’t evaluate early technical pitches effectively.
    • •He describes the firm’s shift from centralized management to domain-specific investing teams as it scaled.
    • •He recounts feeling reduced scope during reorgs and the emotional dynamics of reorganizations.
    • •He explains that decentralization required platform functions to align with vertical-specific founder needs.
    • •He describes starting later-stage investing work and focusing on healthcare, serving on boards by the time he left.
  9. 26:56 – 30:37

    Why he left for government: applying organization and incentive lessons to OPM

    Scott explains that he had long-standing policy interests dating back to school and research work. He describes taking leadership of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) and frames the core challenge as incentives, objectives, and accountability—regardless of sector.

    • •Scott recounts early policy-related work and his continued interest in public service.
    • •He explains OPM as the HR/talent agency for federal civilian employees.
    • •He argues organizations are collections of people aligned around objectives, shaped by incentives and accountability.
    • •He says the federal incentive structure is misaligned, pushing risk avoidance over improvement.
    • •He describes the personal timing (kids out of the house) and support he received to make the transition.
  10. 30:37 – 38:09

    Risk aversion in government and the broken performance system

    Scott describes a culture focused on avoiding scrutiny rather than improving outcomes, making innovation difficult. He details performance rating inflation, weak accountability for underperformance, and rules like time-in-grade that slow advancement for strong contributors.

    • •Scott describes being told the job was to keep leadership “out of the news” and avoid oversight attention.
    • •He introduces “permissioned risk” as a way to allow innovation at an appropriate level.
    • •He cites performance ratings where nearly everyone meets or exceeds expectations and argues it can’t be realistic.
    • •He argues weak differentiation harms retention of high performers and makes bonuses less meaningful.
    • •He criticizes tenure-gated promotions (time-in-grade) and says they trap high performers in slow progression.
    • •He describes policy changes aimed at increasing differentiation and accountability.
  11. 38:09 – 42:45

    Fixing early-career recruiting: demographics, messaging, and Tech Force

    Scott outlines the workforce age imbalance and argues the government is failing to attract younger workers. He describes changing the pitch from “job for life” to shorter, high-impact stints and highlights Tech Force as a program to bring in technical talent with skills-based assessments and structured career pathways.

    • •Scott cites the small share of federal employees under 30 and contrasts it with the broader workforce.
    • •He describes the overrepresentation of older workers and warns about retirements creating staffing gaps.
    • •He rejects “lifetime employment” as a recruiting pitch for younger candidates.
    • •He explains a message centered on working on hard, complex problems for a few years and then moving on if desired.
    • •He describes Tech Force as recruiting a cohort of technical specialists for two-year terms.
    • •He explains skills-based assessments (rather than self-ratings) and partnerships for training and post-service job opportunities.
  12. 42:45 – 45:46

    The “Big Balls” example: removing credential filters and paying for demonstrated skill

    Scott uses the story of a young DOGE engineer known publicly by a nickname to illustrate how government hiring norms would have rejected a high-skill candidate. He argues degree requirements and experience thresholds are often proxies that block talent, and he pushes for merit-based leveling and compensation.

    • •Scott describes a young engineer recruited through DOGE and the public reaction to his background.
    • •He cites an internal attitude that government wouldn’t hire someone without a degree and years of experience.
    • •He argues degree requirements are often poor proxies for actual capability in roles like software engineering.
    • •He criticizes hiring people at low levels that would underpay them relative to demonstrated skill.
    • •He reiterates the goal of merit-based assessments and leveling people appropriately based on ability.
  13. 45:46 – 48:55

    DOGE as a “big bang”: shrinking headcount and institutionalizing change

    Scott describes observing DOGE activity closely, including its use of his office, and frames the approach as necessary to reverse long-standing growth inertia. He differentiates between initiating disruptive change and the subsequent work of institutionalizing priorities and removing low-value activities from the government’s workload.

    • •Scott describes interacting with DOGE leadership pre-inauguration and then being sidelined during nomination steps.
    • •He notes DOGE executed work out of his office while he observed the process.
    • •He cites a reduction in the federal civilian workforce from day one to the present during this period.
    • •He argues government tends to expand budgets and headcount and that changing direction requires a “big bang” approach.
    • •He describes his role as institutionalizing change: prioritizing work, stopping low-value initiatives, and building durable systems.
  14. 48:55 – 55:23

    The underground mine retirement process: paper, delays, automation, and digitization

    Scott describes an astonishingly manual retirement workflow involving mailed paperwork and processing inside an underground mine in Boyers, Pennsylvania. He explains how automation has ended incoming paper, how digitization will modernize access to records, and how these efforts connect back to incentives and risk tolerance.

    • •Scott explains retirement processing relied on mailing physical paperwork through multiple offices.
    • •He describes the underground mine facility and the manual adjudication process by hundreds of staff.
    • •He notes processing delays that could stretch from months to more than a year, including delays from missing signatures.
    • •He credits a push to automate the process and says paper intake ended as of a defined cutoff date.
    • •He describes plans to digitize hundreds of millions of legacy pages using large-scale scanning equipment.
    • •He argues the mine’s persistence reflects long-term risk avoidance and fear of scrutiny rather than technical difficulty.
  15. 55:23 – 58:15

    Accepting some failure, and how to join: channels for early-career entry

    Scott argues modernization requires accepting that not every change will work perfectly, especially when the upside is improved service. He closes by directing interested young people to resources and ways to reach him and OPM.

    • •Scott emphasizes that innovation requires accepting that some efforts won’t succeed.
    • •He distinguishes areas that require extreme caution from areas where modernization risk is reasonable.
    • •He ties recruiting, culture, and modernization into one system that must change together.
    • •He points listeners to an early-career government website and mentions outreach to campuses.
    • •He offers ways to follow and contact him and OPM, including direct messages.

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