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How Mark Zuckerberg, Palmer Luckey, Josh Kushner & Scott Wu Think | Jeremy Stern

Jeremy Stern is the editor-in-chief of Colossus, where he writes long-form profiles of leading entrepreneurs and investors. He goes behind the scenes of his reporting on Mark Zuckerberg, explaining how months of interviews revealed Zuckerberg’s fascination with Augustus, relentless competitive drive and commitment to building Meta for decades. Jeremy discusses why Meta’s distribution and infrastructure could give it an advantage in AI and why some founders seem incapable of walking away. He explains how a question about defense technology became his first profile, on Palmer Luckey, and why he brings the craft of fiction and poetry to writing about business. Jeremy also describes Scott Wu’s combination of mathematical genius, natural leadership and authenticity, and how Josh Kushner’s family history shaped his exploration of Thrive Capital and the American dream. The conversation closes with the story of Jeremy’s Russian professor, whose belief that people have an obligation to their gifts changed his life and helped shape how he sees the people he writes about. Show notes: https://www.davidsenra.com/episode/jeremy-stern Made possible by Ramp: https://ramp.com Deel: https://deel.com/senra AppLovin: https://applovin.com/senra David Senra X: https://x.com/davidsenra Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/davidsenra LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidsenra Facebook: https://www.linkedin.com/company/senrashow Threads: https://www.threads.com/@davidsenra Spotify: https://spti.fi/TVrr557 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/4msoZtb Jeremy Stern Website: https://colossus.com/author/jeremy-stern X: https://x.com/colossusjeremy Chapters 00:00:00 Jeremy’s Zuckerberg profile 00:06:39 Why Zuckerberg identifies with Augustus 00:13:03 The competitive drive people still underestimate 00:18:49 Why Zuckerberg won’t walk away 00:21:11 How Palmer Luckey became Jeremy’s first profile 00:35:05 Bringing literary ambition to business writing 00:39:20 Why Scott Wu stood out among AI founders 00:48:29 Josh Kushner’s family history and the American dream 00:56:36 Asking Rick Rubin: What if I lose the magic? 01:01:44 The mentor who taught Jeremy to use his gifts

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Oct 4, 20261h 8mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Jeremy Stern on profiling builders: power, psychology, and compounding ambition

  1. Jeremy Stern explains how his long-form profiles are built: he starts with a thematic question, then reporting opens a “galaxy” of relationships and psychology that ultimately determines the narrative.
  2. The Zuckerberg profile uses Rome—especially Augustus—as a revealing parallel for Zuckerberg’s self-conception, selective historical reading, and long-term orientation toward power and order.
  3. A recurring portrait of Zuckerberg emerges: extremely relentless and competitive yet broadly described (even by rivals) as not personally cruel, with an advantage rooted in decades of unsexy compounding execution.
  4. Stern’s profiles of Palmer Luckey and Scott Wu illustrate his method of using an individual to interrogate larger cultural questions like defense tech realism, AI leadership legitimacy, and who shapes modern American life.
  5. The Josh Kushner piece becomes a meditation on the American dream and Holocaust inheritance, anchored by Kushner’s fear of “losing the magic” and the fragility of what has been built.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Stern’s profiles are question-led, not person-led—and the ‘real’ story emerges late.

Stern starts with a question (e.g., “Is defense tech real?” “Is there a trustworthy AI leader?” “What does Zuckerberg’s psychology look like?”) and only then finds the best person to serve as the narrative vehicle. The reporting process—interviews, family, rivals, books—then reveals a much larger story than the initial premise.

His Zuckerberg lens is human/psychological, not operational or product-centric.

Stern argues Zuckerberg remains underexplained in the dimension he cares about: what it feels like to be Zuckerberg and how the people closest to him experience him. That’s why the piece bookends with Zuckerberg’s parents and family rather than a product-building “how-to.”

The Augustus parallel functions as a diagnostic of Zuckerberg’s self-myth and values.

Zuckerberg’s decades-long fixation on Rome—and Augustus specifically—shows up in memory (reciting Virgil), rituals (“Carthage must be destroyed,” “Domination”), and symbolic choices (naming an internal “muse” agent Agrippa). Stern treats this not as trivia but as a window into self-conception and selective historical interpretation (order/trade vs. liberty/empire).

Zuckerberg’s edge is relentless compounding without theatricality—and it’s widely underestimated.

Multiple sources converge on an unusual pairing: extreme competitive drive with relatively non-abusive interpersonal behavior (“Terminator… he just doesn’t stop,” but “not an asshole”). Stern and Senra emphasize that Meta’s advantage may be ‘unsexy’ compounding: methodical iteration, owned infrastructure, and unmatched distribution.

In AI, Meta’s moat may be complements + distribution, not just model quality.

Stern’s bull case logic for Meta in AI is structural: distribution to ~half the planet, attention capture through core apps, and infrastructure built via decades of boring execution (data centers, municipal negotiations). This makes it rational—even for skeptics—to hesitate before betting against Meta in AI.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

"When you kill a person, you destroy a world."

— Jeremy Stern

"Mark is the fucking Terminator. He just doesn't stop. One of his advantages is that he's always discontent, he's always unhappy, but he's not..."

— David Senra

"I find it really hard. So I, I find it-- What I can do is I can try my best to enter the psychology of a different person for a finite period of time. But if I stay there too long, I feel like I'm going insane. So the day the piece is done, I feel like is the day I have to get out."

— Jeremy Stern

"If people have a gift, then they have an obligation to that gift. And if they do not do everything in their power to, uh, share and exploit that gift, then they're actually s- sinning against themselves and against God, uh, in an important way."

— Jeremy Stern

"It's unimaginable that they would just step back and live the rest of their life on a yacht... they're just gonna die as CEO. Like, something's gonna happen, their heart's gonna explode, and they're just gonna, like, die at their company."

— Jeremy Stern

Long-form profiling process and craftZuckerberg’s Roman/Augustus self-mythologyRelentless competitiveness vs. interpersonal decencyMeta’s AI strategy: distribution, infrastructure, complementsDefense tech realism and Palmer Luckey’s convictionScott Wu as an unvarnished AI founder archetypeJosh Kushner, Holocaust inheritance, and the American dream

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