The Diary of a CEOA Billionaire’s Guide To Healing Your Mind And Extending Your Life: Christian Angermayer | E72
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Intro
- CAChristian Angermayer
But I do personally think (laughs) it's the best thing I've ever done in my whole life, full stop.
- NANarrator
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- CAChristian Angermayer
And I was like, "Look, you're clearly insane."
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
Like, "I'm, I've never drank alcohol ... da, da, da ... and I'm not gonna touch an illegal drug."
- NANarrator
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- CAChristian Angermayer
But the biggest interference is death. It's not my ... I don't choose the time, I don't choose like ... And we need to change that.
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- SBSteven Bartlett
My guest today is a friend, but he's also most definitely the most interesting human being I have ever encountered in my life. He's an entrepreneur, he's an investor, but he's also just a really nice guy, and he's invested and started companies in some of the most fascinating industries, from psychedelics, to space tech, to artificial intelligence, to cryptocurrencies, to FinTech, you name it, he's in there. In fact, he's the single biggest investor/driving force behind the whole psychedelics industry, which is currently trying to cure mental health disorders. This is, undoubtedly, the most interesting person I know. And I think this is the type of podcast where you're going to demand a part two, because we spoke for two hours and even I was left feeling that I was only scratching the surface, and that I wanted to know more. The man I'm talking about is Christian Angermayer, and I genuinely believe he's going to become, if he isn't already, one of Europe's most important investors and entrepreneurs. In the same way that people praise Elon Musk for all the work he's done in the US, I think he's Europe's answer to Elon Musk. Without further ado, I'm Steven Bartlett, and this is the Diary of a CEO. I hope nobody's listening, but if you are, then please keep this to yourself.
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- SBSteven Bartlett
Christian,
- 1:47 – 18:57
The story behind the man
- SBSteven Bartlett
I, I know so much ab- about you and, and the work you do. I, I know your ... You know, I've observed your behavior in person over the last, you know, six, six to 12 months, um, deeply, deeply fascinating. But the part of you that I know very, very little about is your early years, your upbringing, your childhood.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Cute child. (laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
Really?
- CAChristian Angermayer
No, no, not child. (laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
I've been fascinated by that-
- CAChristian Angermayer
I think I was a cute child.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... I've only heard-
- CAChristian Angermayer
Uh-
- SBSteven Bartlett
... slithers of that part of your life. So, could you tell me a little bit more about-
- CAChristian Angermayer
Um-
- SBSteven Bartlett
... the childhood that made the man?
- CAChristian Angermayer
The, the main point I'm always making, which I'm really (laughs) sort of literally happy about, is that I was a very, very happy child, meaning I'm still a very happy person, but I think the reason why I'm grounded-ly happy is because I had a great, like ... how you say? Um, childlike upbringing. Like, I was growing up in a 90 people village, um, so-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Wow. Bavaria. In Bavaria.
- CAChristian Angermayer
In Bavaria. I literally knew everybody, and there were a lot of other children, so I'm an only child, but, like, I had a lot of children, sort of same age, plus minus four years, to, to grow up with. Um, and we were literally, like in a TV series, we were out all day, like in summer, in winter, like it was very much like you would picture, like, what is this American TV series where they ... My Day on a Farm, or whatever. Like, it was like that.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Like, sort of, um-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Idyllic childhood upbringing.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yes, per- per- ... Really idyllic, like, yeah, no crime, like, no risk. Like, I was literally ... My mom would send me out in the morning, uh, in summer and winter, and I came back in the evening, since I'm, like, five. Like, I was ... 'Cause there was no risk for anything.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Like, um, yeah, so that was, sort of, the very, very ... This was 'til I'm nine, and then we moved to a town, mini (...) (1:39) city, town with, like, 2,000 people.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- CAChristian Angermayer
So, it's near, nearby, like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Wow.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... kilo- kilometer apart. Um, so it was all very, very rural, very ... Which I liked. So, I'm actually was thinking about if I have children, when I have children, then how to recreate that, which I think won't work. So, but like, I think it's great to have nature, which is also, by the way, meaning already jumping, but like ... Yeah, because you know that the way I do a lot in, in psy- in mental health work, like, and one thing which is really healthy, very, very simple, uh, for your mental health is nature.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Like, there is even, in Japan, they prescribe, like, a wa- a walk in the forest as a, as a treatment for depression. So, anyway, so I grew up in this super nice childhood. Like, I always was funnily, um, very entrepreneurial. Yeah. And nobody else is, so not in my family, not in this village. Like, so that was always literally, like, with six w- ... My mom still has the ... So, the first thing which I did when I learned writing was writing invoices. Like, so it was tiny bills.
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Of course.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Like, I said, "Oh, give me fives," (laughs) "give me five cents, uh, for, for salads." So, I was actually had a very, a flourishing gardening business-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Oh, really?
- CAChristian Angermayer
... since I'm four, like, or five. Yeah, I forgot. (laughs)
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Visualisation
- CAChristian Angermayer
actually ... Sorry, when I'm jumping, I had this one story, again, by the way, which is completely, you can-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Serendipitous. (laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
Serendipitous and, like, even a bit more. So, I remember it exactly. I was 14 years old, and I was, uh, with my best friends back then in Munich. Which is far away. I mean, for me this was like going, (laughs) going to the big city, like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Australia. (laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah. Um, and we, so we spent the weekend with family members. And I really lo- ... I remember it, remember every single detail of the weekend, like what we did, and like, where, what. And we went to a bookstore, which is for Germans who listen, Hugendubel is a f- back then it was like sort of like a, I don't know, iconic bookstore, 100 years old in Munich. I think it's still even there, although books are dying out. Um, smaller. Um, so it's in the prime location of Munich. And so, I remember it. So I go into that bookstore, and there was this whole, how you say, promotion-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Shelves.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... wall.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Right.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah. With just one book, which, uh, which, which is, uh, the American Think and Grow Rich from Napoleon Hill.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- CAChristian Angermayer
And you know, like, when in movies, like, the 14-year-old boy goes in and then the light is going down-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... and then the hallelujah is coming? Sort of that, meaning there was no music, there was no light. I was like, "That's it. Think and Grow Rich. I need to have that book." So I bought the book, and it was practically my first kind of ... I mean, Napoleon Hill is not as spiritual as some others, yeah, but, like, that was my journey into that world of, let's say, spiritual-infused success. Books.
- SBSteven Bartlett
How do you define spiritual?
- CAChristian Angermayer
Well, there is like ... Napoleon Hill is sort of ... And I love it by the way, because they're all so old, like they're all out of the 1920s. So they, they don't have the zeitgeist which I think-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... in terms of success is rather negative, like. So it's sort of, like, raw American ...
- SBSteven Bartlett
Corny principles. (laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yes. Uh, exactly. Like, um ... And Napoleon Hill has ... This is why it was a great entry into that thing, because his view was, if you read, meaning the book starts that he says he got commissioned by, um, Andrew Carnegie, who was this steel magnate, to find out and do interviews. Which I think by the way you are doing in a certain way.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah? With successful people, um, and find out if there are common traits, uh, is it traits, yeah, common denominators which make them successful. And he did that with all the famous people of his time from Andrew Carnegie himself, to a lot of other famous people. And then he made that into a book, and he's actually saying that the question ... He doesn't answer the question why these, uh, rules, so to say, work. He's more a neutral observer. And then the next one is actually, there's a guy called Dr. Joseph Murphy who wrote similar books, but more, like, with the spiritual undertone why these rules work. Same rules, sort of more explanation why they work, which went more into the religious world. And then you have all the other book, and Law of Attraction is nothing else, which is sort of the modern version and the key which is a sort of a simplified version of an anyway simplified version, yeah, of this. Of like ... But it's at the end it's always the same rules, some which think it's, they're God-given, some which say, look, again, this is statistics, whatever, but they do work. I, I deeply believe and, they, these things do work. Yeah. Um, which is-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Like visualization, the, the, the way you think and-
- CAChristian Angermayer
It's vi- it's visualization. Is that ... The main thing I think is two things. It's visualization, so I meditate in the morning and evening. But it's not really meditation, it's more like visualization. So I ex- ... I always have a plan for the week, for the month, for the year, for my life, yeah, and everything kind of did come true so far. So, I'm always thinking for qu- what could I add, like a wish list, yeah? And now again, you can say if you add something and then you, you focused on it, then it might come true because you focused on it. There could be a very banal explanation that it's relentless execution and nothing magic. And again I don't care. It's like, I'm like, well, like, yeah, it does work. So, and the visu- ... I think it's two things. It's visualization, and it's also these- that you have ... For example, I'm not, it sounds (laughs) very crazy but I'm trying to not have negative thoughts. So, and then there is a number of negative thoughts you're gonna have anyway because you have to deal with stuff when you run a business. But I, for example, I've never watched a horror movie since 20 years, at least.
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Right.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Because it gives me negativity. So I, and I, I go the extra mile. So I told, for example, friends when they are too much complaining, meaning I'm ... And the first one, friends can call for a problem. But then I'm like, "Let's go through the problem. That's the solution. That's what you're gonna do." But if they would repeatedly- because some people wanna not solve the problem, they wanna repeat the problem, then I'm like, "You can't call me again on that topic." Because no negativity, yeah?
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
So I really have a rule.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I love that.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah. So, no negative movies. I never watch a movie which has not a happy ending. So I have people check or I check, yeah, before: does it have a happy ending? No bad endings. Nothing which makes me sad, nothing which makes me negative, because I'm not, I'm not allowed in my own religious philosophy to have negative thoughts and feelings. Feelings are even more important than thoughts because I think they are the underlying driver, so. And it sounds now maybe cheesy and simplified but I think if you ... This is what I'm doing since I'm 14, and if you train yourself not ... And again, you will always have an sort of amount, because sometimes hard things happen, yeah, and I don't wanna-... pretend as if my life was easy, because I did have very hard times in business. But even in those times, I was lying in my bed, literally, and was like, "Okay, this is not fun what's happening right now, but it must happen for a very, very positive reason, because this is how your world works." And funnily, it always, the worst things in my life turned into the best ones. Yeah. So, because I, again, and you can say, like, maybe somebody would say, "Well, because he was persistent and he didn't fall." Okay. Then this is the explanation. Maybe there's a deeper one. I- again, I don't care. I can always
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
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Psychedelics
- CAChristian Angermayer
um, drug researcher. Like, he's the David Nutt of Germany, like the, a drug, uh, yeah, uh, advisor to the government, da-da-da. Yeah, a neuroscientist. And somebody said, "Oh, you should two should sit next to each other because maybe you can loosen Christian up a bit, and he could drink a little bit of alcohol." So, so this is how I met Rainer. It's his name. Um-
- SBSteven Bartlett
It's serendipity again. (laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
Si- no, but, like exactly. Like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
Again, if anybody, everybody else would have said... I remember that I was like, "Oh my god, that's awesome." Like, and everybody else would have said, "Well..." Again, in every single thing happening I see it's good for me. Yeah. So, um, so anyway, so we had this discussion and really, pfft, the short version is he was like, "Look, everything you s- think is bad is bad." Like, "so don't- don't touch it."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Alcohol, and-
- CAChristian Angermayer
Exactly. He actually showed me these, and, uh, whoever is watching, and maybe, I don't know if you can put it into the- the-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Notepads, yeah.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah, so it's like, it's this famous, very famous, but it's so, um, to the point, I mean, he's, Da- David Nutt in the UK wrote a whole book about the misperception of drugs, but this one, like he had this one chart which Da- David Nutt made and Rainer pulled it, uh, pulled it off in the internet, where you can see sort of the harm, um-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Of each drug in the world?
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah. So how much harm.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I've seen it.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Uh, there was this harm scale.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I've seen it.
- CAChristian Angermayer
And practically on number one is alcohol.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I've seen it.
- CAChristian Angermayer
But even in a, in a holistic approach, alcohol is the worst, and then closely followed by heroin, which by the way the media used a little bit against David Nutt, which was highly unfair, because the headline, I remember, I think in The Sun or whatever, was like, "Oh, guy says heroin is better than alcohol." No. The thing is, like, they're both very, very bad. Like, but alcohol is as well. We have these-
- SBSteven Bartlett
And this is the chart that says the harm to you and the harm to others.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Both. It's- it's- it's-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah, in one chart.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... in one. Exactly. Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
So yeah, a chart that shows the harm that these different drugs have on you and others, and alcohol-
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... is the worst of all.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Exactly. Alcohol is the worst, but closely followed by heroin, yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
And closely followed by, um, crystal meth or whatever. Like, everything is bad. And I really like ... if there is one positive outcome (laughs) of people watching that, don't do it, but don't do alcohol, don't do heroin, don't do crystal meth, don't nothing. No. There is no... by the way, and I'm the most, again, pragmatic person, because what I was talking with him was like, is there any drug, there could be a drug where you say, "Oh, it has a little bit of downside, but it has enormous upside," and then you can think for yourself. Again, you are responsible. I don't think the government should be responsible. To think for myself, is there any upside of me taking that risk? Because if I go in a car, I came to you in a car, so I took a risk of dying. Meaning, very low, but there was a risk. But I was... it's worth to sit with Steven-
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Okay, good.
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Life longevity
- SBSteven Bartlett
the life we live more joyous and fulfilled, but also trying to extend it. And the work you're doing with life longevity, I actually find maybe even more bonkers. (laughs) Like, when I first heard about psychedelics, I was like, "Really?" And then I spent six months, nine months learning, and I was like, "Oh my god. Like I get it." But life longevity for me is like, "Really? We can really, we can really extend our lives?" And your, you've got companies which are working on that challenge. So tell me about life longevity. Is it possible?
- CAChristian Angermayer
I think, well, okay, let's ... So, so, so let's phrase it correctly, like because even I, if I want to sort of some- say something very, um, pokey, I'm like, "Oh, we're gonna live forever." Yeah. That's not gonna happen for an accident reason. Meaning yes, you could say maybe we live forever if we really upload our brain to our computer. But that, not that I think that's completely impossible, but I think then we're not human anymore. That's a different discussion. Like, so but, I would say as long as we stay fairly human, meaning having a body, having sort of the human set that we have, yeah, there will always be an end. Let's start there, because the worst case if you live hundreds of years, you're gonna have an accident somewhen- somebody blows you up. You, you have a ... By the way, it's gonna, it's a, uh, as a side note, I think it's gonna change once we get older and older, it's gonna change the way how we look at risk. Because y- I already start avoiding crazy stuff, because I'm like, "It's not worth it." Again, risk return. Like I have this one colleague I always try to convince. He's 50 and he drives a motorbike. And I'm like, "You shouldn't do it." Like the sort of statistical risk is so big of driving a motorbike. And his answer is, "Well," because he's still thinking his, his life expectancy of 70, he's like, "Well, but I'm exchanging 20 years, if it happens, against my biggest passion."... and this is a trade-off worth it. And I was like, "Well, A, I thought it was stupid." (laughs) But if you, if you're... It's okay if this is your opinion, 20 years against the risk of losing it. But I tell you, like, it's not 20. You already ... if you're 50, I'm gonna get you up, or we're gonna get you up with longevity science to maybe 90 or 100, by the way, in a good way. So, would you exchange 50? And then, suddenly you see, okay, then he starts thinking because ... so, and now think it a little bit further, like if you say, "Hey, our natural life experience, someone will be 200, maybe we stop doing stuff we're doing now because it could sort of..." Yeah. So, but I, uh ... back to your question, like, longevity never means immortality. Because again, as long as we stay kind of human, because there's an accident risk, yeah. By the way, I also believe spiritually again that we don't wanna live forever. I think part of being human, again, as long as we stay there, and we can talk about that as well because another thing I'm thinking a lot, maybe we don't stay human in our current form. But as long... So, I think two part of being human is having an end, because that makes everything we do worthwhile.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- CAChristian Angermayer
So, I just don't want it now. (laughs) Like, I wanna have more of it, but I think the, the sort of the lim that there is a time limit on being human is actually which makes us thrive, yeah, and which makes us-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Everything special.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... everything special. So, I don't think I, I want to take that away. I just want to extend the, the joy, yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
But then doesn't it just become relative again then? So, if you live to 150-
- CAChristian Angermayer
By the way, so, so what I really believe what we get in the next (hands tapping) maybe like 30, 20 to 30, it's come, it's, I think it's gonna come way quicker than people think, is that we're gonna get life expectancy up to, to a time or to a, to a, to a, to a size, to a magnitude where we want to die. And I think it's even like this will be a range, and some people might already say, "With 100, I had it all. I had enough birthdays, enough, um, Christmases, and I'm..." so some people wanna maybe live to 300. But I think we're gonna give people that optionality sooner than we think. And then, I think dying will be like, this is my vision, like it's a celebration. I would someone say, "Look, guys, I had it all. I love you, love life, but I really think I'm ready for whatever comes." Maybe comes nothing, I don't know, but like I have an expectation. But like, yeah, but whatever it is, I'm gonna finish it now, throw a big party, say goodbye to everybody, and then go out on my own terms, on my own time. I think that's gonna be sooner than we think.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You whispered there, "I have an expectation."
- CAChristian Angermayer
Well, I think there is another life, like I think it's a continuous, uh, cycle. But that's now a spiritual question like, but like I, I very much believe we have an eternal soul. Yeah. I don't even think there is a number. But first of all, I, again, I come back, which gives me a lot of the... I don't believe in the Christian thing that we have anything to prove. That's already starts because it means you're not worthy, and you have to prove yourself worthy. Like, it's like you... I think everybody should be deeply happy and do exactly what he, he or she feels is the right thing to do. Now, by the way, again this is, I think, what people realize on the, on the psychedelics, is like they... I always like to say, like, which is maybe a good way to describe a psychedelic trip, like since we're young, and again, maybe my parents were like better than other parents in avoiding that. But since we are baby, people start telling us what we should do, what we should not do, how we should be, how we should think, how we should do life. So, and I always say like, "There is your soul somewhere," like (laughs) whatever form of your soul is like.
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- CAChristian Angermayer
But there is somewhere the level of you. You s- ... And again, the problem is when we have this discussion, and what I wanna avoid, why I'm sometimes so blurry, is that if you start using religious terms, then some people might be set off-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... yeah, or pushed away. Because if I use the word soul or God, then, uh, a Christian person might have a different reaction than a Muslim person, than a, um, than a Hindu person, yeah. Interestingly, a lot of people who went through psychedelics have sort of the same description, because so, so anyways, this is why trying to use as neutral words as possible. So, let's call it soul or inner you or whatever. And then, you have all these sort of external, s- sort of, um, garbage almost, what other people put on you, yeah. And, and I think some people literally lose sight what they really are and want. So, and that I think was always very good. So, what I realized under my trip that sort of ... so what happens under a trip, sort of all this garbage is taken away. So-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... you really look at you, but you in your real, naked sort of form. Like form, I mean like you recognize yourself, all your fears, all your wishes, all your whatever, yeah. And interestingly, it was, for me, it was still a great experience, but it was not so different. So, which told me-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- CAChristian Angermayer
... okay, I did a good job before psychedelics to sort of be, again, true to myself. And I, I don't believe in what, what some faiths, uh, say that, that, "Oh, you have to be worthy," because you are worthy, yeah, and you are great. You just should live the life as sort of it is fit for you. And again, this is for everybody it's different, but you need to know it, yeah. So, so, but to con- so this is my belief and then I... so and be- so, so there is no... okay, I have... it's not like a computer game, where you have to reach a level (laughs) and do certain things and then come to the next one. I just think it's like an endless positive sort of cycle of experiences, yeah. So, and I definitely know that somewhen I'm gonna, wanna go to, to the next, yeah level is the wrong word, to the next experience. Yeah. Um, but for now I want to actually extend this one.
- SBSteven Bartlett
A lot of people don't get to live, and this is what I was thinking is like this, this idea that people will get to a point in their life where they say, "Do you know what? I've had enough. This has been great." I ju- would you- do you genuinely believe you'll get to a point where maybe 150, whatever-
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What do you think?
- CAChristian Angermayer
I think someone it's gonna happen. Like I, maybe it's very late, meaning I hope for, but again, I think this is the ultimate, meaning I'm already pissed about the government interfering in, in my stuff in any way, but the biggest interference is death-... it is not my- I don't choose the time, I don't choose like... And we need to change that, so I think the biggest, sort of liberty everybody has, will be choosing his or her own death.
- SBSteven Bartlett
But you'll always be curious. The world will always be changing.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Well then great-
- SBSteven Bartlett
There will always be something-
- CAChristian Angermayer
... then I can go on, like a long time.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I, I, I, I, I'm trying to understand if I bel- if I genuinely believe that Christian Angermayer will ever get to a point where he's bored, because you're such a curious-
- CAChristian Angermayer
That, but it's great if that is the case, I really don't know. Like, (laughs) I mean, I- but I'm just saying, I, I believe like, again, I think there is a moment everybody will come to that. Maybe it's very, very great, like, I'm working on it, like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
And you don't think death is a na- is a, especially at th- that age, is like a natural thing? I hear you talking about it as a, as a bug, or as a disease or something.
- CAChristian Angermayer
Well, that, that's... I would say definitely aging is a disease. Something is wrong. So something is... I know how the 20-year-old Christian looked and was, and felt. And by the way, my DNA is the same like it was when I was born, like it was when I was 20, like it is now. But something of the same DNA... It's like a little bit we know how the house, it's the construction plan of the house is the same, and some way the (laughs) sort of minions who, who translate the construction plan into the building, yeah, change it, and not to the better from age 20 on. Like I get gray hair, whatever, like so, but we know still it is there. Like, the original source of information is there, our DNA, so we just need to find out, it is super simplified, what changes the translation of our DNA into mistakes, and into what we call aging. Yeah. That's a very simplified view but it shows you that it's not so natural, yeah. Because it's not that your DNA is... If, if it would be natural maybe your DNA would change, we'd say, "We can't change that." Yeah, but it's not, like your DNA is the same 'til you die. Like, so we just need to make sure that the translation happens like when you were 20. So by the way, I deeply believe not just that we can slow down and stop aging, we can reverse it. Because again, I know how Stephen, I mean, you are still obviously at your prime-
- 1:10:19 – 1:21:35
Relationships
- CAChristian Angermayer
um, that it's always, it's hard I think for another person. Although I think I can try to be very uplifting, because I would try, uh, say the same what I told you, is like I would tell every partner, "Like you have to find ... You can't expect from me to get, give you meaning. You need to give yourself meaning, and then we can be happy together." Yeah. But I, this is unfortunately not how a lot of people work. Like, so it's very easy that sort of ...
- SBSteven Bartlett
I have a quote on Instagram, my best performing quote ever. It says, um, "If we're dating, I want to be your second priority. I want your first priority to be you, your passions, your future. If we're happy alone, we'll be happier together."
- CAChristian Angermayer
Yeah. That's, uh, I mean, so yeah. And I'm happy alone, by the way.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah. I, I, I-
- CAChristian Angermayer
I'm also like an introvert/extrovert. So people think I'm very extrovert. And I can be, and I want to be, like can, I like to host parties and dinners and do things like that. But then I wanna be alone actually a lot. So-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do you value, and tell me the value of a relationship in your view. Of like a really good committed relationship. Do you value it?
- CAChristian Angermayer
That's a complicated question. (laughs) So, um, because, because if I say no, it sounds brutal. And I, I don't-
- SBSteven Bartlett
What's the truth?
- CAChristian Angermayer
No, no. And I don't mean it. Like, I, I, I think it's more, the answer is more complicated. So I built myself that I, that I'm sort of very like independently, so, so I value relationships a lot. So that's the real answer. But I, I'm not in the concept that one should stand out. So I rather have groups. So I, I believe that, or believe, like I do have like ten, but not one, like ten very, very close friends, who most of them I have since very long time. I actually extremely value relations. But I'm not saying, "Okay, there is this one relation in my life which will completely stand out from the rest." Which is maybe a, um, a complicated thing for relationships. I do think though this will change once you get children. Yeah. So, which I want. So that's sort of the, yeah. Um, and by the way, I also do think people change. Like in co- um, I don't think the core of you changes, and like the core, but like you can make adjustments. So I know, for example, that when I want children, or once I have children, that I have to make adjustments. Because I just want children if they have the same happy childhood that I had. So I wanna be either no dad or a great dad. Yeah. So, and then I know I need to make adjustments. So, but then it's worth it, and then it's my active decision to take it.
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