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Druski: They're Lying To You About Overnight Success!

How do you transform childhood trauma and crippling doubt into a relentless drive for greatness? Druski reveals the psychological forces behind comedy, life, and self-belief to help you break past rejection and master your ultimate purpose. Druski is a cultural phenomenon, megastar comedian, and the creator of an independent production empire who has rapidly ascended to the top of the entertainment industry. He breaks down how humor was used to navigate a traumatic childhood and manifest his current success. His insights provide a playbook for silencing external noise, overcoming avoidant attachment, and betting everything on yourself. _Trigger Warning: Please note there are mentions of child abuse and violence within this conversation._ *In this episode, he explains:* ■ *The Trauma of Humor:* How growing up in a high stress, physically abusive household forced him to use comedy as a tool to read the room and defuse tension. ■ *The "No Plan B" Strategy:* Why facing the barrel of a gun during a street scam triggered a radical mental shift, empowering him to commit entirely to his vision. ■ *The Avoidant Attachment Trap:* The reasons why successful individuals often struggle with romantic trust, and how a lack of a healthy parental relationship creates deep rooted intimacy fears. ■ *The Power of Silence:* Why discovering your true calling requires the painful, counter intuitive act of isolating yourself in total silence. ■ *Bypassing the Gatekeepers:* The exact mindset required to overcome corporate rejection by self-funding your own creative projects. 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:14 What My Childhood Tapes Meant To Me 00:06:35 When He Knew He Wanted to Be an Entertainer 00:09:15 Healing From Childhood Trauma 00:12:13 Why Letting Go of Grudges Matters 00:18:31 How Childhood Trauma Shaped His Fear of Commitment 00:22:39 Why Druski Dropped Out of College 00:27:56 Druski Opens Up About Depression 00:29:44 How Comedy Changed His Life 00:33:24 Ads 00:35:46 The Video That Changed Me 00:38:40 How Druski Got His Start in Comedy 00:54:57 What It Really Takes to Be Successful 00:57:46 What Greatness Really Means 00:59:48 How Long Does Success Really Take? 01:04:15 Ads 01:05:24 Proving My Mum I Was Right 01:11:13 Why Relationships Matter in Business 01:14:42 How Druski Protects His Brand 01:18:30 Trump-Druski Moment 01:23:53 How Netflix and Amazon Rejected Druski 01:29:11 When He Realized How Big He Had Become 01:35:29 What’s Next for Druski? 01:38:54 What He Would Tell His Younger Self *Follow Druski:* Instagram - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/AFJZRtQ YouTube - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/3aPmgjD X - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/ERpL6Qo TikTok - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/44HhZzn Twitch - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/CBSxHy9 *The Diary Of A CEO:* ◼ Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ◼ Shop The Diary Of A CEO collection: https://thediary.com/collections/shop ◼ Get email updates - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/5IB1H6E ◼ Follow Steven - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/AGU9QP4 *Sponsors:* Cometeer - https://cometeer.com/DOAC use code DOAC for $20 off Eight Sleep - http://eightsleep.com/steven use code STEVEN for up to $200 off Wayfair - Visit http://Wayfair.com to start your home refresh

DruskiguestSteven Bartletthost
Sep 24, 20261h 48mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 2:14

    Intro

    1. DR

      A lot of my friends that I grew up with were going to jail or ended up dead or shot in the streets. So I fell victim to doing illegal stuff, but it was the moment that we got armed robbed where I have a gun to my head now, and once I saw the barrel of that gun being pointed at me, that was the moment I noticed, okay, if I survive this, I'm going to become a comedian or die trying.

    2. SB

      Druski.

    3. DR

      [upbeat music] My comedy comes from that place of like a healing, wanting to make our situation better at home. It's like one time I watched my brother get beat for wetting the bed. It was a lot. So I would always try to step in to try to be like a coping mechanism for him. Maybe it's my mom. So I knew I was funny, I knew I was very entertaining, but it didn't hit me until like college and I started to figure out, okay, wow, all the people I look up to are all like comedic legends, and I feel more connected to them than anything I've ever felt in my life. That is my purpose. So I left college. I went home. I wrote all these goals down on the sheet of paper. Now I'm locked in. I have no other option. I'm sitting here in a room, no mattress. My car gotten repossessed. I actually made that like a content piece, but I feared nothing because I'm like, I have nothing left. But I knew, I'm like, I'm gonna keep going. I'm gonna continue to keep pursuing making videos. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then the thing that changed my life was Drake calling for the Laugh Now Cry Later major video. Everything shifted after that.

    4. SB

      Druski, I heard this crazy story that they accidentally sent you Jim Carrey's money.

    5. DR

      No, they sent an email showing how much he would be getting paid for that hour.

    6. SB

      People are saying it was in the region of-

    7. DR

      [beep] insane. I hope he didn't see mine 'cause that would've been a little bit embarrassing.

    8. SB

      And then in March you did a skit and it did hundreds of millions of views and then it sounded like Trump did ask [beep] to sue you.

    9. DR

      [laughs] I don't know if that's true. I'm not looking to get sued by nobody. [laughs] I'm not looking for it.

    10. SB

      Who's he talking about?

    11. DR

      Uh, who-

    12. SB

      Before this episode starts, I have a small favor to ask you. Two months ago, 61% of the people that watched this channel weren't subscribed, and we're now down to 58%. My goal is 50%. So if you've ever liked any of the videos we've made on this channel, if you like this channel, can you do me a small quick favor and hit the subscribe button? It helps this channel more than you know, and the bigger the channel gets, the more we can invest in the guests and the production. Thank you, and enjoy this episode. [upbeat music]

  2. 2:14 – 6:35

    What My Childhood Tapes Meant To Me

    1. SB

      Druski, I, I really believe that to understand somebody, somebody who is an anomaly, and you very much are an anomaly, you first have to sort of understand their earliest context and I went through all of these old photos of you as a, as a young boy-

    2. DR

      Oh, boy. Yeah [laughs]

    3. SB

      ... um, to try and build some of that context-

    4. DR

      For sure

    5. SB

      ... in my, in my own head. Um-

    6. DR

      Sure. Yeah

    7. SB

      ... what is it that most people might not know about that earliest context that's most informative to sort of who you are today? What remains?

    8. DR

      I still literally feel like this little boy in all these pictures. Like, I see these moments and it reminds me of how free I was able to be as a kid, and I wanted to be so much. And my mom and my grandparents, they always supported me being just open and free and having this [laughs] what is that right there?

    9. SB

      That one's, uh, your dad and your brother.

    10. DR

      Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad and my brother right here for sure. Even looking at these pictures, I had no idea around this time who I was gonna become. This is, this is dope. [laughs] How did you get these pictures by the way?

    11. SB

      [laughs]

    12. DR

      Where did you find all this? [laughs] Did my mom send you these? [laughs]

    13. SB

      [laughs] I was looking through some of the, the videos that your parents recorded of you at that time.

    14. DR

      Oh, yeah.

    15. SB

      And you've got like-

    16. DR

      Hello? [laughs] It's hard.

    17. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. DR

      Now, do you have any more questions about me? About your teacher and how you're doing in school. Great. Well, I was just practicing my command.

    19. DR

      [laughs] That's me in character right there. [laughs] That's absolutely in character. So she would put on these, these camcorders to let me be free. So that was like my outlet to be able to do these characters and, and, and be myself, you know?

    20. DR

      The dancing song. Let's try again.

    21. DR

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have multiple videos. [laughs] I know you probably got more.

    22. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    23. DR

      There's one of me in a, in a diaper, like rapping. [laughs] That's another crazy one.

    24. SB

      I wasn't sure if this was last week or-

    25. DR

      [laughs] Yeah. That's my cousin Bree.

    26. DR

      [singing]

    27. DR

      Oh my God.

    28. SB

      Where did you come up with those, those bars?

    29. DR

      Nah, just [laughs] that's the beginning of Coulda Been Records, right? [laughs]

    30. SB

      Yeah. [laughs]

  3. 6:35 – 9:15

    When He Knew He Wanted to Be an Entertainer

    1. DR

      and he had great lessons, but his teaching skills was, was very tough and physical, you know? He's old school. I'm, I'm sure you heard it before. He's very old school about his teachings and how he goes about doing it, so he has a short temper. Immediately he asks, he used to ask these rhetorical questions all the time of like, he'll be like, "Go get me a Phillips screwdriver." And I'll go get a regular screwdriver. He's like, "This is not a Phillips screwdriver." Bam, upside the head. Then my brother goes, he's like, "I want you to go get me a Phillips screwdriver." My brother goes and get a, a, a hammer or something. [laughs] The dumbest shit, right? And, and he would come back and then bam, upside the head. So that was like the immediate of teaching. It's not the best way of teaching.

    2. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    3. DR

      And from a early age, I learned that speaking to other people's fathers and parents, I learned that this is not a normal thing, and I didn't know that until we would go to, like, neighborhood parties and stuff, and maybe my dad would be like, "Oh, these are my boys right here," and he'll reach out his hand, and we'll, and we'll flinch like that because it became a, a normal thing for him to always lift up his hand, like, if we said s- the wrong thing. So I wouldn't say that my comedy necessarily came from that, but it definitely came from, like, a healing, wanting to make our situation better at home. It's not like we, we don't come from a, like, a broke home. I ain't gonna say we wasn't a broken... We were a broken home. We weren't a broke home.

    4. SB

      Hmm.

    5. DR

      My dad was a, a airline pilot for United Airlines for entirely my whole younger life. Um, my mom worked for the CDC. Very two good jobs. Uh, my mom was always home. My dad would travel in and out. But I think what I wanted to do, and my personality as a kid, was always to make the family smile. No matter through all this stuff that we're going through and these teachings being too far sometimes or maybe this ass whooping was too much.

    6. SB

      Hmm.

    7. DR

      The ass whooping went too far, 'cause it, [laughs] I don't gotta, I'm not gonna get into details on here, but he had some ass whoopings [laughs] in the house that went too far. Um, but yeah, I think I, I f- I feel like my comedy comes from that place of I never tend to punch down. I like to find the funny, but also the good side of funny and not look at the negative for my type of comedy. I can find a negative situation and bring the funny out of it for both sides, me and the other person.

    8. SB

      So I-

    9. DR

      Sure

    10. SB

      ... I guess as a child-

    11. DR

      Hmm

    12. SB

      ... very perceptive children, y- you're, you're on edge a little bit then.

    13. DR

      For sure.

  4. 9:15 – 12:13

    Healing From Childhood Trauma

    1. SB

      And it's funny 'cause I remember sitting with Gabel Maté and him telling me how kids that have an early context where they are, they have to be a little bit more, um, aware.

    2. DR

      Yeah.

    3. SB

      They often become very good at observation.

    4. DR

      Yes.

    5. SB

      And they very, they become good therapists.

    6. DR

      Yes.

    7. SB

      They become the most empathetic.

    8. DR

      Yes.

    9. SB

      They also sometimes have struggles with mental health because being hypervigilant or being aware comes at a cost. It's not free.

    10. DR

      Yeah.

    11. SB

      For all the upsides, there's always a downside. Does any of that resonate?

    12. DR

      1,000%, man, and I think sadly, in my brother's case, that went a negative direction. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder as we continued to go through puberty and got older, whereas for me, I feel like I might have found a coping mechanism with comedy, and maybe he never found that coping mechanism from that trauma, and I feel like trauma can sometimes give you the, the good route or the negative route, and I feel like a lot of that going on in our house early on may have played a role in him being diagnosed with that. And yeah, that's the, that's the sad side of the story, but yeah, I, I, even with him, like, I think early on I would always try to make him laugh because I knew we were in a fucked up situation. One time I watched my brother get beat for wetting the bed, and it was the simplest thing, and I couldn't understand. I was like, "Why is he, like, like, getting beat this bad?" It was very far. Very, not the normal belt type thing. It was very, very far. So I would always try to step in either after or during these moments to try to be, like, a coping mechanism for him or, like, maybe it's my mom and, and he's arguing with her, and they're getting physical as well. So I would always try to be, oh, the funny guy maybe at the dinner after or maybe after the next day goes by and I'm trying to lift everybody's vibe up. Um-

    13. SB

      So you watched your mother get hit as well?

    14. DR

      For sure, for sure, for sure. Not, not physically hit, but I've seen different things of, like, the choking and, you know, pushing her out the door and then locking the door, and then I gotta go and be the one staring at her at the door, and she's like, "Open it," and he's like, "You better not open that door." And [laughs] I'm in between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out, do I open this door for my mom, or is he gonna come? So I, it, it was a lot of different situations of trying to figure it out at a very young age, and, and, and it started so young that I, some back to, some things are kind of blurry for me, but I do know that my comedy comes from that comforting type of space. I can read a room and, and sense any type of danger. I can read a room and sense any type of happiness, sadness, anything in any situation. Somebody could be mentally ill. Somebody can be physically hurt. Somebody could be anything, and I always have been a good judge of character as well, so I feel like that has helped me

  5. 12:13 – 18:31

    Why Letting Go of Grudges Matters

    1. DR

      in my career for sure.

    2. SB

      There's two things I wanted to add to that.

    3. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. SB

      Part of the reason I noticed this, obviously I've sat here 700 times or something doing these interviews-

    5. DR

      100%, yeah

    6. SB

      ... and you're one of the first people to stop mid-convers- conversation as you were speaking-

    7. DR

      Uh-huh

    8. SB

      ... and say, "You look like you had something to say there, Steve."

    9. DR

      Yeah.

    10. SB

      Because you were looking at my face.

    11. DR

      Yeah, I can read.

    12. SB

      People don't usually do that.

    13. DR

      Mm.

    14. SB

      So it's funny 'cause w- I meet some people who are m- much more aware of me.

    15. DR

      Uh-huh.

    16. SB

      You know, some people, they're just talking and they're giving their answers to my questions, and then there's this other-

    17. DR

      For sure

    18. SB

      ... very rare group of people, often comedians, who I almost feel like I'm speaking to them even when I'm just sat here thinking.

    19. DR

      Yeah.

    20. SB

      Because they're, like, hyper-aware in that sense.

    21. DR

      For sure.

    22. SB

      And you just did that to me, so I thought-

    23. DR

      Yeah

    24. SB

      ... oh, he is sup- super aware.

    25. DR

      [laughs]

    26. SB

      Which kind of correlates to everything, you know, you were saying there.

    27. DR

      For sure. For sure.

    28. SB

      But it always comes at a cost.

    29. DR

      Yes. I agree.

    30. SB

      All gifts do. I sat with, um, I think it was Michael Jordan's trainer.

  6. 18:31 – 22:39

    How Childhood Trauma Shaped His Fear of Commitment

    1. DR

      what you mean. Yeah.

    2. SB

      Have you, have you, you've experienced that yourself as well?

    3. DR

      Yes. I, I feel like I continuously have grown a relationship with women in a way where I feel like I almost get scared with getting too close, kinda like how you explained, because of maybe I haven't seen the successful home of two parents or-

    4. SB

      Like a model

    5. DR

      ... two people in a relationship. Yeah. Maybe I haven't seen it with my own two eyes to work, and I feel like that kinda does hinder me a little bit because it, it, it does come in between when I, I feel these feelings for this girl and I almost jump back immediately as soon as they're like-

    6. SB

      Mm

    7. DR

      ... "Nah, nah, I don't trust it because I know what this comes with." And they're like, "Yo, what do you, what do you mean? We never, we didn't even get a chance to fully..." And I don't know. It's, it's a natural mind thing that happens to me. And, and I still to this day, I have no idea. If you wanna be my, [laughs] my doctor for this-

    8. SB

      No, no, I just-

    9. DR

      Go ahead

    10. SB

      ... I'm, I'm just hypothesizing

    11. DR

      But I have no idea why. I feel like that-

    12. SB

      Yeah

    13. DR

      ... has something to do with it. Maybe I haven't seen it in a way that's healthy, and that might be the reason why, but I still, that's a, that's a question that I need answered.

    14. SB

      If I spoke to someone that you were in a relationship with and I said to them, "Is Drew affectionate?"

    15. DR

      You, you laughing. [laughs] You know the answer, you just don't wanna say it. No, no, no. I, I feel like, uh, they, they would tell you that I am until I'm not, and I, I eventually just-

    16. SB

      [laughs] Until

    17. DR

      ... I just pull out. Like, I, I pull back. I, like, I almost feel once I, I get too close, I can't trust it. It's just, it's almost like a magnet when you reverse it on the other side. It's like when it comes too close, it starts to repel itself. That's how I feel when it comes to me getting more and more closer with a female. Yeah.

    18. SB

      Mm-hmm. That makes sense. I think that's what I experienced up until I was about 27 years old.

    19. DR

      Oh, sure.

    20. SB

      And-

    21. DR

      But I'm 31, still experiencing. [laughs]

    22. SB

      Yeah. It, it ain't that, it ain't that far.

    23. DR

      I gotta find a wife.

    24. SB

      [laughs]

    25. DR

      I have to find a wife.

    26. SB

      [laughs]

    27. DR

      I have to find a wife. No, it'll, it'll happen. It'll happen.

    28. SB

      Does it, does it matter increasingly as you become more successful to you? Do, do you think more about it and as you go forward?

    29. DR

      Yeah, it's just, it's hard to trust after you become... I think when you're, when you're, when you're kinda successful at the beginning, it's not hard to trust. You're just like, "Yo, she likes me for me, but also she can still like me for the celebrity I am." And it, it kind of 50/50. But as you become more and more successful, you have this doubt in your mind, like, this could absolutely be her in love with just Druski and not Drew at all.

    30. SB

      Is that just a convenient excuse for the whole avoidant-

  7. 22:39 – 27:56

    Why Druski Dropped Out of College

    1. SB

      off, um, you go off to college.

    2. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. SB

      And you, um, you last, was it two semesters before you dropped out?

    4. DR

      Yeah. No, I, I, I, I started at a, at a, a, a school that was in Gwinnett County, where I grew up.

    5. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    6. DR

      So I spent like a year and then a, a, another half of a semester there, and I got my, enough credits to transfer.

    7. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    8. DR

      Because I was like, "Okay, I've gotta get outta here. Like, I know my life is bigger than this." And also at the time, I wasn't thinking, "Oh, I wanna be a superstar." I was just thinking I wanted a real college experience. I wanted to go to a four-year college. I didn't have the grades to do it in high school and go straight there. I wanna find a way to do it in college. So I think when I went to Georgia Southern as the school following that, I just wanted to find the college ecosystem of like, what's the vibe here? Oh, let's party. Let's do this. And I didn't find that as soon as I got there. It's almost like I didn't get the immediate, "This is college," like I thought I would get after-

    9. SB

      Mm-hmm

    10. DR

      ... I got there. And I went into like a deep depression because I had two guys that I knew went to the school from like, like you know somebody from your county, of course. And I was like, "Oh, okay, I'll link up with him. He'll be a great friend to be along with on this ride of whatever this new school is." And I would try to link up with them, and for some reason, it always was a hassle for me to link up with them. They always would be like, "Oh, uh, we always gotta pick you up. You don't have a car." And I'm like, "No, I'll, I'll get a Uber to y'all." "Well, if you don't have any money to get into the game, there's no point in coming because we can't pay for you." Or, "I wanna come to the party with y'all." "Oh, well, you have the same shoes that you hoop in. Why would we bring you?" Like, you... They would always have jokes about maybe... I, I felt like I wasn't deserving enough to be around them, so to say. And I felt like- Almost very, for the first time in my life, very depressed. And that kind of bothered me because I started to just not even go to classes anymore at this new school. I was just staying in my dorm room. So I went to not even going to class anymore. I stopped going to classes for like the whole second semester of being at that school, no classes. Sat in my room and would just sit and think. I'm calling my friends back at home. They're not doing nothing, so I kind of didn't want to go home 'cause I'm like, "Damn, they're not doing shit. I'm not gonna go back." But also like, what am I doing here? I'm not doing anything here either. What is my purpose in life? So sitting in there and being depressed and sad and looking at myself in the mirror, I started to figure out, I'm like, "Damn, what do I really wanna do in life? Is any of this really make sense?" Like I'm here for sports journalism, but do I want... I know I wanna be on TV. Like, I took sports journalism to be maybe a ESPN sportscast just to get my face on TV. I didn't know. I was like, "Maybe I wanna do that. It sounds cool." But as I continued to do more, I guess, soul searching so to say, just sitting in the room and thinking about what I wanna do, these... I would sit and watch Steve Harvey interviews on like, what is it, uh, do you wanna do in your life? Jump, jump off a mountaintop and take a risk. And like I would watch all these videos of everything, of people I looked up to, Kevin Hart, and, and I started to figure out, I was, "Okay, what's my purpose? These are the people I look up to, but what exactly do I wanna do?" And as I continued to do more searching, I started to figure out, okay, wow, I think all the people I look up to are all like comedic legends. I'm watching Will Ferrell stuff, Chris Farley. These are guys that I find as my heroes. I think since I've always been the funny guy in every classroom, everything I've done, sports, I get kicked off the football team for being funny. All this stuff is because I am a comedian. I, I, and, and it was almost like I'm an, I felt like an idiot 'cause I'm like, "Damn, I'm sitting over here in college. That is my purpose. This is it." I'm, I, I feel more connected to them than I've ever felt to anything I've ever felt in my life.

    11. SB

      Why?

    12. DR

      The things they would say in a Kevin Hart interview, the things he would say in a Steve Harvey interview, the things Will Ferrell would say or Chris Farley would say or Jim Carrey, I felt more attached to it because they also felt a need and a purpose to become like a hero of comedy. I don't, I don't know. It, it sounds dumb because when you tell your parents, "Oh, I wanna be a comedian," they're like, "Oh, you're like basically a clown, I guess, and you'll go start doing standup rooms and maybe you make it, maybe you don't." It sounds kind of silly telling people or your hometown friends, "Oh, I'm gonna be a comedian." But as I continued to do more and more research on everything I wanted to do, I started to figure out, okay, this is my purpose, and it always has been. And I see these videos of me as a kid. I, I, I'm remembering memories of all this stuff early on. This is it. And that, and that's when I just had like a, I don't know what they would call it, like epiphany [laughs] , you know? Um, but yeah, that was, that was a big, uh, change for me in my career. Well, not even my career, at, at the beginning processes.

  8. 27:56 – 29:44

    Druski Opens Up About Depression

    1. SB

      When you say, "I was depressed," that word can mean lots of things to lots of people.

    2. DR

      For sure.

    3. SB

      What d- what does it mean in your definition in that moment of your life? If I was a fly on the wall or, you know, just in the room, but also if I was inside your head at that time, what would I hear and what would I see if I was a fly on the wall?

    4. DR

      I think you would just see me in there confused, man. I would sit in my room for hours. I would sit there and play 2K. I would sit there and play music for hours and not... I, I wasn't really doing anything. I had no friends at that school. I would walk to like the corner store. My mom would send me like $20. I'll buy as much as I could get to be able to stay in the room and not go out and socialize with all these people at this huge school. I would get as much food as I could get at the time to go back and just be in the room, and that's when I knew. I was like, "Yo, I'm really like in a state I've never been in in my life." Imagine I'm used to being at a high school where I was known as the class clown. Anybody in my family knows me to be the, the guy that brings the warmth to the room and to make everybody laugh, and he's, he's always bringing good energy, to now I'm sitting here almost hiding away from society and very, very dark on myself. I was, I'm, I'm very like hard on myself about everything that I wanna do and I, and I was... It took a, it took a while for me to understand what it was, and I think me going on YouTube and trying to research successful people, I started to line up the people that I, I found inspiring, and every single one of them were all comedians. I, I, I felt more attached to every single one of them than I've ever felt attached to anybody

  9. 29:44 – 33:24

    How Comedy Changed His Life

    1. DR

      else in my life.

    2. SB

      It's funny 'cause through your childhood you were, you were a comedian-

    3. DR

      Mm-hmm

    4. SB

      ... you know, clearly from all the videos that I've seen. And, uh, people think of comedians as giving.

    5. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    6. SB

      Like you, you make us laugh.

    7. DR

      Yeah.

    8. SB

      But obviously that you get something from that too.

    9. DR

      For sure.

    10. SB

      And then suddenly you're in this room and you're no longer getting that thing-

    11. DR

      Yeah

    12. SB

      ... whatever it is.

    13. DR

      For sure.

    14. SB

      What is that thing?

    15. DR

      I knew that was a thing early on when I was a kid. I would have these conversations with myself of, at home after elementary, of did I make the class laugh today, and why was, why does that feel so good to me to brag about? Or I would ask other students, "Who's the funniest to you in this class?" Or, "Who's the funniest in our grade?" And I would really ask them. I was like, "Why, why do you feel like he's funny?" Like, "Why is, why is Mikey funnier than me? Tell m- tell me why." And it was almost like a competition in my head- That nobody knew about, but it, it was in me, [laughs] you know what I'm saying? Like I, I felt like it was, it meant something if they told me, "Oh, you're... Of course, you're the funniest guy in, in our grade, duh."

    16. SB

      And how would that make you feel?

    17. DR

      That made me feel successful. It felt like I won the Mark Twain Award of the school.

    18. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    19. DR

      Like, that is like the Oscar for me at a young age if somebody to be, "Oh my God, you're the funniest at this school."

    20. SB

      I think it's, it's interesting often that-

    21. DR

      Mm-hmm

    22. SB

      ... your, your nature was clearly you're a comedian, but-

    23. DR

      Mm-hmm

    24. SB

      ... that's not a career that kids are taught about.

    25. DR

      Yeah.

    26. SB

      They're taught about, like you said, like your dad said, like, "Go get your ass blown off," and all these other things.

    27. DR

      [laughs]

    28. SB

      But they'd-

    29. DR

      Find a trade

    30. SB

      [laughs] Find a trade, yeah. But until you, you have, you're given a word for it sometimes, it doesn't, you don't re- you don't have that epiphany. I thought that about, like, being an entrepreneur. I didn't know it was a thing until I was 19, and I was already doing it, and then I heard the word, and someone gave it meaning, and was like, "Oh, that's a thing you can do as a job?"

  10. 33:24 – 35:46

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    1. DR

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    2. SB

      And-

    3. DR

      I gotta, I gotta give her a lot for that.

    4. SB

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  11. 35:46 – 38:40

    The Video That Changed Me

    1. SB

      So you went off to university. You discover these great comedians. You discovered, you said Steve Harvey, who's, uh, I think he's 69 years old now. He's an American-

    2. DR

      Mm-hmm

    3. SB

      ... comedian and TV host, stand-up comic as well. And so-

    4. DR

      One of the kings of comedy

    5. SB

      ... one of your idols in comedy?

    6. DR

      Yeah, for sure. Hell yeah.

    7. SB

      What was it that he said in particular that you recall that really sort of pushed you forward in that moment?

    8. DR

      I remember he had a video that talked about just taking a risk and just jumping, and he spoke on just take the leap of faith and just jump. Stop overthinking everything. Nothing happens without taking this risk.

    9. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    10. DR

      And I knew he was, he, he continued to say something in these videos of, "If you believe there's something more to your life, there is. If you have that vision that keeps popping up in your head, that means it, that very much so is in your life." And I just kept hearing him say that, and I played the video back, played the video back again, played the video back. I'm like, "Damn That means there is so-- 'cause I, I kept feeling that feeling. I kept having, I'm like, "There's more to my life than what it is right now," and I knew it. In the back of my head, I was like, "I know it, I know it, I know it. There's more to this than, than what I feel." It's in the back of my... And I, and I continued to, and that's what resonated with me from the video that I watched on him. That was, it was, like, life-changing.

    11. SB

      I spoke to Steve.

    12. DR

      Oh, man. What are you about to show me, man? [laughs] Truse.

    13. SB

      He want- he wanted to send you a little, uh, a little video message as well.

    14. DR

      [laughs]

    15. SP

      Hey, what's happening, TruSky? Hey, look, man, uh, I heard they was doing something for you, so I wanted to jump on here, man, and just give you some, uh, some big ups, man. Let you know, man, I've been watching you for a while-

    16. DR

      Wow

    17. SP

      ... from a distance, man. We've only spoken once, but look, man, I think you're special. You got a gift, man. You're really, really special, and with that specialness, man, comes some responsibility. And so just be careful, man. Remember everything your mom and your grandmama told you 'cause you gonna need all of that 'cause you killing the game, and once you start killing the game, it's like chess, man. We're out here playing chess.

    18. DR

      Yeah.

    19. SP

      The object is to kill the king. Sad but true. Keep your faith, brother. Stay funny, man. If you need me, call Unc. I got you.

    20. DR

      Yo, this is crazy. [laughs] That, that is nuts, bro. That is amazing, man, and that, and that really is a full circle moment, even hearing him say that, and wow, man. Somebody, somebody that definitely I looked up to, him amongst, you know, the other kings of comedy as well is like... Wow, man. That's, that is, that's deep. That's deep.

    21. SB

      What happens from there? You go from being in that room, you're watching these Steve Harvey videos. Presumably, you gotta call your mom, and you gotta tell your mom that you're dropping out.

    22. DR

      Yeah. She, uh, [laughs] she wasn't happy about that. She-- I remember she cried, and she, she hung up on me, and she was like, "This,

  12. 38:40 – 54:57

    How Druski Got His Start in Comedy

    1. DR

      this is just so dumb." Like, "What are you talking about?"

    2. SB

      What did you say to her?

    3. DR

      I couldn't get any words out. She hung up, but I remember seeing her crying on the FaceTime after. I just wanted to tell her what my vision was on... 'Cause, you know, you, you say, "I'm dropping out," but then, of course, you have a rebuttal. "I have a great idea."

    4. SB

      Yeah.

    5. DR

      And she hung up immediately. So then I called my friend. He came and grabbed me from the school in the middle of the night. I was, like, four hours away from Atlanta, Georgia. I'm deep down in southern Georgia. Um, and we drove all the way back, and when I got there, of course, she let me in the house, and I think it was just a confusing time because I'm also not making any money, so she's like, "Now what?" Like, "Now what are you gonna do?" And I had this big plan, and I told her what I was gonna do. I'm like, "I'm gonna be a comedian. I'm gonna be on TV. I promise you in a year, I'm gonna make sure I'm on TV, and if I'm not," I told her this wild story, "I'm, I'm gonna kill myself." I said, "If I don't become a comedian, and I don't become a famous comedian on TV, I'ma kill myself." And she's like, "Don't say stuff like that. That is, that is so dumb. I want you to go hard for whatever you're doing, but that is just d- why do you feel like it has to be comedy?" And I was like, "This is something that..." And I continued to break down everything. I'm like, "This is what I've always wanted to be." And I had-- It's almost like you have this great idea, but nobody sees the vision. So then I went to my grandparents. I told them the same vision that I had. They lived down the street from her, and they're like, "This is so... What, like, what are you talking about? Go back to school, get your education, and then you do all that other stuff." Because they had the old school mindset of, they've probably seen people that didn't go to school, and they've seen people that did go to school. People that did go to school get a job. People that didn't go to school became maybe crackheads in their era. I don't know, like, or became failures in life. So they didn't, they never really saw the good side of what is, and I was like, the, the point one of people, maybe even less than point one percent of people that are able to accomplish that after dropping out is, like, very unlikely. So immediately when I told my grandparents, they were like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no." They said, "Don't. We know what's gonna happen. You gonna drop out. You gonna be calling us, asking for money. Don't be calling our house and pulling up, and you gonna be doing drugs." And I'm like, "Guys, listen, I'm not gonna be doing that." [laughs] They're like, "No, no, no, no." You know your grandparents. They're like, Black grandparents, they don't give a shit. They like, "Don't be coming over here and bothering us. We know what's about to happen. Like, you gonna be a crackhead." And I'm like, "Listen, guys, I have a plan." And essentially, I didn't do it immediately. I started trying to work at, um, Red Lobster, and then I worked at, like, a LongHorn's, and I worked at Outback Steakhouse and McDonald's. I, I, I started to work jobs because it was, like, a quick money thing, and then I fell victim to being, living in Atlanta where I was doing illegal stuff, and now I'm seeing myself go into this whirlwind of, "Damn, I came home to do this?"

    6. SB

      Drug dealing.

    7. DR

      No, not drug dealing. [laughs]

    8. SB

      Um, you said illegal stuff.

    9. DR

      I love how you said-

    10. SB

      Yeah.

    11. DR

      No, it's a, in Atlanta, there's, like, a, it's, like, a scamming circle of, of where a lot of people fall victim to. It's like you can do quick, easy scams with banks or doing card scams-

    12. SB

      Oh

    13. DR

      ... just stuff like that, and I never was a bad guy. I just, I, I felt like that was an easier way to do it while I'm trying to pursue this stuff, but I felt like the karma of this stuff was weighing on me. It's like, "Oh, I'ma do, I'ma try to pursue comedy while doing this," and it never worked out. I didn't even pursue it. I just was-

    14. SB

      Flirting with it

    15. DR

      ... I was going back and forth. Yeah, I was just continuing to flirt back and forth with the idea of it, and then it was the moment that we got arm robbed where I had a, a outer body feeling of, "Wow, I came home to be in this predicament where I have a gun to my head now, and now it's like, how did I even get here?" So let me rewind back. That was the last moment I said, "Okay, if I'm gonna do anything, I'm going to become a comedian or die trying." That's it. I have no other outlet. Now I know, once I saw the barrel of that gun being pointed at me and my friend at the time, it was a bad scamming situation gone left. That was the moment I noticed, okay, if I survive this, I am going to turn my life around, and I'm not gonna go to a job. I'm not gonna go back to my mom's house and try to say, "Oh, I'm doing this, that." I'm going to lock in, actually do it. And from there on, I went home. I wrote all these goals down on a sheet of paper, and my mom, she was kinda in the mix of what happened a little bit, too. She had heard 'cause she saw me walking around the house being stressed out. I told her what was going on, and I wrote down all these goals because she would always say, "You can't do anything without writing things down." Ever since I was a kid, she was like, "You should write that down. If you wanna remember something, write it down, write it down." And so once I-

    16. SB

      Do you remember what the goals were?

    17. DR

      The first one I ever wrote was, "Don't have a plan B. Your plan A will work." No plan B, your plan A will work. The second one I wrote was about-

    18. SB

      Was the, about hosting a tour on there?

    19. DR

      Yeah, yeah. Hosting a tour was definitely on there.

    20. SB

      Oh, hosting, uh, an awards evening?

    21. DR

      Yeah, that, both of those was on there. I, I wrote down that. I wrote down being a comedian. I wrote down amongst a lot of other things. How do you, how do you know that? What, what is it-

    22. SB

      [laughs]

    23. DR

      What is it on there? How do you know that? That was, that was on there. I haven't sent y'all production the picture.

    24. SB

      [laughs] So we got this scamming thing we do where we can scam.

    25. DR

      Star in a major movie. Mm-hmm. For sure. All that is down there, man.

    26. SB

      And you were 23 at the time, roughly?

    27. DR

      Yes, 23.

    28. SB

      So what's happened then? So you left college at what, what age?

    29. DR

      I left college around 21, 22.

    30. SB

      Okay, so that's-

  13. 54:57 – 57:46

    What It Really Takes to Be Successful

    1. DR

      full goal, yeah.

    2. SB

      And when you look back on that season of life where you're, you first move home with your mom, w- as, as a 31-year-old now, what has it taught you about what it takes to be successful broadly? Again, remove luck from the equation. Let's remove some people getting fortunate with lottery tickets, whatever else. But generally, what has it taught you about what it takes to be successful in the pursuit of a goal like that where, to, to be honest, not many people ever make any money.

    3. DR

      Yeah.

    4. SB

      The odds of you being successful as a comedian, defined, let's define-

    5. DR

      Slim to none

    6. SB

      ... as, as making, being able to provide for yourself and a family-

    7. DR

      Slim to none

    8. SB

      ... it's, it's crazy odds.

    9. DR

      But the thing is, most people don't really wanna be great. Most people just say it because it sounds good. Like, I, I, I would be around a lot of guys who'd be like, "Yo, let's do it. Let's wake up in the morning. Let's..." And they would just fall out. Everybody eventually just goes away. Everybody that said they were gonna do it, they do it one day. They're not showing up the third or the second day. Nobody, nobody shows up continuously for the work. And once I notice there's a small amount of people that are showing up for the actual work of anything, it, it just showed me that, okay, I'm in a lane of this of my own. I'm pursuing something that most people say, but they're not really trying to pursue. Everybody wants to be number one. You wanna be the top of the list. Everybody wants to be the top of the list, but nobody really wants to do the work. Nobody's obsessed with it continuously, every day and night, having dreams about it. Nobody's sitting and editing with their editors 18 hours plus of, like, just sitting, looking at clips. Nobody's going and doing tours while trying to continuously film a TV show, Coulda Been Love, in the middle of that tour. Nobody's trying to also shoot a movie, like right now we're shooting with Universal, The Catch, with Emma Stone and Chris Pine, while also still trying to fulfill my social media presence. I'm trying to juggle all these things in one because I wanna be great. I don't wanna just do it and be like, "Okay, I'm gonna take some time off and just..." No, I really wanna be number one. I, I, I don't... I'm not really falling victim to being okay with being cool with number two or three, and I joke about it all the time because one of my favorite movies is Talladega Nights, and Ricky Bobby said, "If you ain't first, you're last." And I, and w- me and my family joke about it all the time. We laugh about it, but I kinda took that vision seriously 'cause that's really how I live my life and that's really how I feel because what else could be other than wanting to be number one?

    10. SB

      What happens when you become number one?

    11. DR

      You still gotta keep pushing them out [laughs] 'cause somebody's chasing.

    12. SB

      [laughs]

    13. DR

      There's somebody coming. Somebody's on the way. So I feel like the journey never ends because you're always continuously chasing-

    14. SB

      Mm-hmm

    15. DR

      ... you know, if it's not the people before you, it's trying to continue to set the bar high for the people behind you.

    16. SB

      Yeah.

  14. 57:46 – 59:48

    What Greatness Really Means

    1. DR

      So.

    2. SB

      And what does being great mean in your definition of the word? Like, if I said... 'Cause, you know, you said that, you stated that the goal is to be great.

    3. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    4. SB

      How would you know you've become great?

    5. DR

      I think being great has a lot of different meanings. It, it doesn't, it doesn't have a money value or a certain touring value or, or... I think just being great in all ways just be- comes down to just how far you're willing to set the bar. There's always people before you that have done great things. You got Eddie Murphy that has set the bar fucking way up here. Then you got Kevin Hart that's fucking d- damn near where Eddie's at, and he looks very healthy. He looks like he might take it further than Eddie. Who knows? I don't know. But there's always somebody gaining on that right behind the greats before you. It's the same with Kobe, Jordan, LeBron.

    6. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    7. DR

      Somebody's gonna continuously keep setting the bar higher, so it's like we're all trying to just leave a legacy, so to say. Like, I think that's what we're all trying to do, and-

    8. SB

      You wanna be in that conversation.

    9. DR

      You wanna be in that conversation. When it's all said and done, I would love to be in that conversation. It's not saying I wanna be surpassed and that... We all wanna surpass great things. We all do.

    10. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    11. DR

      But just to be in that conversation and to be remembered and to leave a legacy, that's what matters.

    12. SB

      One of the things that I've observed with people that go in the pursuit of greatness and achieve it is just they have, they have, like, a different level of, like, patience, and they have a longer time horizon. 'Cause-

    13. DR

      Mm

    14. SB

      ... with Eddie, with Kevin, it takes a lot of, like, lonely, lonely years, decades sometimes. I, I've sat here with the greatest illusionist in the world, and he told me that he spent 10 years doing card tricks on restaurant tables.

    15. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    16. SB

      And you go, "What a crazy fucking thing to do." Like, whatever.

    17. DR

      [laughs]

    18. SB

      Or, like, this other... I mean, even Jimmy Carr said to me, like, he dropped out of his, his great job, I believe it was in marketing, and spent five, six years getting paid absolutely nothing-

    19. DR

      Yeah

    20. SB

      ... just cracking jokes in pubs and stuff.

    21. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    22. SB

      And you're like, "What a... What sane person-

    23. DR

      Yeah

    24. SB

      ... would, would think, would

  15. 59:48 – 1:04:15

    How Long Does Success Really Take?

    1. SB

      take that trade?"

    2. DR

      Yeah.

    3. SB

      When I g- zoom back into where you were in your mother's house, h- how long was it? How, how, from that, I guess from university, from college, to the moment where you go, "Actually, shit, this is... this might be able to pay my way that I-

    4. DR

      Yeah

    5. SB

      ... so I can move out," how long was that period of time?

    6. DR

      Years, man. Honestly, years. We're talking, like, years of seeing nothing, and I think people don't see that. People see, with social media, there's a bunch of quick reaction to things, and people are like, "Oh my God, this person, oh, they went viral for that. Oh my God, they w- now what can I do with this?" People are always worried about, "Oh, I'm gonna take this thing. I, I did this video where I did the... And, and now I'm trying, I'ma go get a team. I'ma go..." Man, it's like, what are you doing? You don't need a fucking team. Keep grind- do it again.

    7. SB

      [laughs]

    8. DR

      Do it again, man. And, and, and when you're trying to be great, you never get a chance to celebrate the things that you have done. You almost don't feel in the moment because you're looking for the n- what's the next thing? And I kinda give credit of that, 'cause I do the same thing. I do it all the time. We did the BET Awards, and the next day I was already flying to go shoot my TV show, Collect & Praise, with Mike Epps that we just shot. I had somebody in the congregation ask why I'm wearing Christian Dior and Christian Louboutins. Mm. Talk. 'Cause I'm a Christian- [cheering] [applauding] ... and I walk in the blood of Jesus. Give Him some praise.

    9. SB

      Give him some, baby

    10. DR

      Immediately the next day, we almost, I didn't even get a chance to take it in. I'm like, "Oh my God, I just did the BET Awards, something I always wanted to do in my life." Boom, I'm on the plane. I'm at the next thing. Immediately after I do Collect and Praise, we shot that for two weeks back to back. Boom. On a plane the next day after the final day of that, we're all clapping, everything, on a plane. Next day we're shooting The Catch with Emma Stone and Chris Pine.

    11. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    12. DR

      The next day. So it's like you, you never really get a chance to take a lot of these things in because you're continuously progressing, progressing, progressing. And my mom would always, I feel like she influenced me to be like that because I would come home from school all the time and be like, "Oh, I got a, a B on this test." She's like, "Oh, you could have done better." Or I'd be like, "Oh, I, I did this at, at school they told me I was da, da, da." "Oh, come on, Drew, you could have, you could have done better on that."

    13. SB

      [laughs]

    14. DR

      Not like it's not enough, but it's like you always can do better. There's, even if you got a A on this, why didn't you get a A+?

    15. SB

      Do you wanna be a, a dad yourself?

    16. DR

      Yeah, yeah, for sure. Of course.

    17. SB

      Where's that gonna fit in this crazy life?

    18. DR

      [laughs] We have no idea. That's... [laughs] Yo, we gotta find a wife first, bro. [laughs] I have no idea. I'm trying to find love first, bro. I have no idea. No, but I, I, I think both of my parents, they, they, they both did that same shit of like, I would bring my dad math equations, and him being a pilot, he would break it down in crazy ways of like, what the fuck? Like, I would say, "Oh, this is division. Could you help me with this?" And he'll take 40 minutes and be like, "Oh, you, you answered it, but you could have done the long division this way. Okay, let me tell you, MX times BX squared, and you could get this answer reversed. Let's reverse this answer. If you get this, you can get it multiple different way." So I'd be like, "Yo, what the hell, bro? I just brought you a simple division equation. Why did you make it long division and then go into MX times BX squared?" But these are my parents, though. They're always looking for the greater thing. Always. No matter what it was, even if it was academics, you could have done better or you could have gotten it a different way, or there's other routes to get to it. It was almost never a, a correct answer in my household because there's different ways you could find an answer to anything. So imagine what that does to my mind of, damn-

    19. SB

      Mm

    20. DR

      ... I've gotta find a way, and not just in one way, I gotta find it in multiple different ways.

    21. SB

      Right.

    22. DR

      So when I do my type of comedy, I never sit on doing one thing. If I do one thing that's amazing, I'll come back and hit another situation or I'll, I'll hit another situation. I'm gonna be funny in this way too. I'm not just gonna be funny in this way. I can also be funny at a live show. I can also be funny in a sketch version. I can also be funny in a movie.

    23. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    24. DR

      I can also be funny on a TV show. I can also be funny in a commercial. You see a T-Mobile commercial, you see Druski's face on it with Zoe Saldana and Jeff Bridges. Why the fuck is Druski on here with Zoe Saldana and Jeff Bridges? I don't know, but it works. [laughs] It's a comedic relief of this commercial, but I feel like my life has gone in that direction because of these upbringings, of these teachings that both my parents had

  16. 1:04:15 – 1:05:24

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    1. DR

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  17. 1:05:24 – 1:11:13

    Proving My Mum I Was Right

    1. SB

      you so much. [page flips] Was there a first check or first opportunity that you really, like, wanted to tell your mom about because this was kind of proof that you were right?

    2. DR

      Uh-

    3. SB

      Or was there a moment at all?

    4. DR

      I think... You're saying like a big check moment?

    5. SB

      You know, like one of those moments an opportunity comes in and you can't wait to tell your mom because suddenly ch- you were right and she should have, she should-

    6. DR

      Yeah. Well, well I had [laughs] one moment. I went, I went like quote unquote at the time, it might have been 2022, like kind of after COVID died down. I was gaining a little bit more traction everywhere, and I had told her that a, a celebrity had posted me, and I was so excited. I was like, "Oh my God, a celebrity posted me." And she was like, "Oh my God." She was like, "So, so," she's like, "So what happens now? Did they, did they tag you in it? Do people follow you?" I was like, "No, they didn't tag me. It's just, they just posted the video." She's like, "Did, did, like is there opportunity? Like are you gonna shoot like a video? Are you doing anything with them?" I was like, "Nah, nah, nah, they just, they just reposted my video." And she's like, "Now what?" And I'm like, "Well, I'm back to square one." And she's like-

    7. SB

      [laughs]

    8. DR

      ... "Yeah." My parents were big on breaking things down, so you feel never really fulfilled. You don't feel fulfilled with anything because you are always trying to figure out, okay, this opportunity's great, but what's next?

    9. SB

      Do you f- feel fulfilled with your work now?

    10. DR

      No, not yet. Too young. It's, it's too much more to go, man. Way too much. Look what Jim Carrey did. Look at Eddie Murphy, man. Look what, uh, Chris Farley has achieved. Adam Sandler, man, these guys are fucking-

    11. SB

      Are you happy though?

    12. DR

      I'm very happy. I'm very happy. But fulfilled? No. I have so much more.

    13. SB

      Is it not possible to be fulfilled and also to be in pursuit?

    14. DR

      Is there a way, you're saying, to be both?

    15. SB

      Yeah. Like to be-

    16. DR

      No

    17. SB

      ... fulfilled with-

    18. DR

      No.

    19. SB

      [laughs]

    20. DR

      Your hunger has to always continue to live. Any- anybody that's-

    21. SB

      You're so-

    22. DR

      ... pursuing greatness

    23. SB

      You look at me like, "Nice try, motherfucker." [laughs]

    24. DR

      Nice try. But anybody that is pursuing greatness will never tell you that the hunger has stopped. It has to continuously keep going. There's, there's no way. No way, man

    25. SB

      So f- closing off on this period of your life where you're, you're stay at your mom's house, when did that change? What was the moment where you were like, "Sure, I can leave now"?

    26. DR

      Well, I had all my clothes stacked in the living room because I, people started to send me so many merch clothes, you know, when you-

    27. SB

      Ah

    28. DR

      ... become, you know, at the time, like, everybody's an influencer. They w- they would send influencers all type of loads of clothes and they want you to wear it in your next video or whatever you're doing. So I had all these clothes stacked up in her, like, dining room area. I wouldn't even say living room. It was, like, the dining room in the front of the house. And I started to kinda make some money to where I was like, "All right. Maybe I need to find, like, an apartment now that now that I have some type of money, I can actually get out of here." But I think me crowding up that dining room [laughs] I started to notice, okay, now I can kinda live on my own. But it wasn't until I started to actually-- The thing that changed my life at the time was Drake calling for the Laugh Now, Cry Later music video. Everything shifted after that because brands started to take me seriously. It wasn't no more sending free merch and, "Oh, you get this," or, "We'll bring you out to this event, and we just want your appearance, and you can get in free." Now it's transactional with everything. Once I was seen on a higher level with, you know, Drake, it's, I think at the time it was Lil Durk, we had Marshawn Lynch, Kevin Durant, Odell Beckham Jr., all in this video alongside with me, and me being the comedic relief in this video, which was called Laugh Now, Cry Later, this meant a lot more than just-

    29. SB

      How did that happen?

    30. DR

      ... another music video.

  18. 1:11:13 – 1:14:42

    Why Relationships Matter in Business

    1. SB

      like, the business part? Like, how do you climb ladders? Is it people? Is it knowing a guy? What if-

    2. DR

      It's all, all relationships. Even in the biggest buildings, majority of it is relationships. Of course, your talent weighs a lot, but relationships are very much key.

    3. SB

      What does that mean for someone that has no idea what goes on in these buildings?

    4. DR

      Relationship is key because these people wanna know that you are a good person to be around. They wanna know if, if you're gonna be starring in my T-Mobile commercial, we wanna have dinner with you. We wanna see what type of person you are. They wanna make sure you're not a guy that's gonna go out and do nothing wild after we trust you with this. You're gonna be all over TV. We trust you with these things. You, we sign you to a Nike deal. You're in a T-Mobile deal. You... These people, it's all about relationship, who you know, how you treat people. They, they like to sense what type of person you are in a separate environment from who you are as the celebrity Druski.

    5. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    6. DR

      You know what I'm saying? Like, people tend to wanna meet who the real you is before we present you to our world. We wanna see who you are as a person. So I feel like a lot of my upbringing was around this broad horizon of different, different ethnicities, different genders of everybody. We, we had Indian people, Mexican, White, Black, African, Jamaican, everything you could ever think within that county.

    7. SB

      Hmm.

    8. DR

      So that type of stuff shaped me to be able to go in these rooms with these bigger brands and be able to talk to anybody. I-

    9. SB

      Did you have to learn anything to do that?

    10. DR

      I'm cool with everybody.

    11. SB

      Did you have to mature or learn a skill of, like, coming from where you come from to be in a, a, a room with these big brands and these people in suits in corporate America?

    12. DR

      Nah, man, it's, it's, it's, it's funny because I, I always have been a people person.

    13. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    14. DR

      Like, I, anytime I would, as a kid, go into a grocery store with my mom, m- I would, like, if I saw a kid's parent that plays with me on a football team, I saw his parents walking around, I would go up and talk to his dad and, like, make him laugh and joke. I'd be like, "Hey, man, give me a cigarette, man. Let me get a cigarette. You, you better go outside and smoke that. Smoke a poop, man." And just jokingly talking as if I'm not 10 years old. But I think that is a big part of what I've learned about, you know, just the industry in general. It's about re- more about relationships and, you know, how you treat people and how This interview goes or how this, you know, this dinner is with this guy who may not know nothing about you. He may not know your background, nothing. Are you able to have a one-on-one conversation with him-

    15. SB

      Mm-hmm

    16. DR

      ... and have him trust you in whatever goes down, whatever y'all talk about, are you a good person? And I think it comes down to that regardless of anything you do. Yeah. So.

    17. SB

      It's interesting 'cause when you're dealing with, like, corporate America and you're dealing with-

    18. DR

      Mm-hmm

    19. SB

      ... these big brands, and you mentioned T-Mobile and all these other brands, you've got this, this, this sort of off-camera Drew guy who meets them for the dinner, but then you've got Druski on camera. And Druski on camera, part of your comedy is you really, like, push the boat out. You say the part out loud that most people wouldn't say. How, how ... What, what is your decision framework there with, like ... 'Cause there's this term, and I worked in advertising for a long time, there's this term brand safety.

    20. DR

      Mm.

    21. SB

      Which means, like, is this person sufficiently sanitized enough that we can use the word, like, trust this person with the brand? But then on the other end, the thing that people love about you is you say the part that other people don't say. You point at it. What's your risk equ- when you're thinking about content-

  19. 1:14:42 – 1:18:30

    How Druski Protects His Brand

    1. DR

      Mm

    2. SB

      ... what's the, like, framework you use to decide whether this is okay or if it's not okay?

    3. DR

      For sure. No, that's a great question. Um, I think the way I look at all of this stuff, and, and people ask me that all the time in person whenever I see them, is that I've never punched down with any jokes that I ever do. Any jokes I ever do always come from a good-hearted place. Even if I'm doing auditions, a skit that I do, anything, you can never show me something that I've done that was like, "Oh, that's punching down," or, "That wasn't inclusive of the other person that might have been in that situation," or, "Oh, he doesn't, he doesn't touch on this because of that," or, "He doesn't do that." I always come from a light-hearted place and a good-hearted place of my comedy. I never was the guy to be ... 'Cause you do have it. You have those guys out there like a Sacha Baron Cohen that has, like, the dark humor of things and maybe he might have upset some people that were, you know. And it might come from a bad place. I don't know. I've never met the guy. I don't know. But I come from a good place with majority of all my humor-

    4. SB

      I've just got this-

    5. DR

      And I've never-

    6. SB

      ... mental flash of you doing this.

    7. DR

      [laughs] But even then, even, even with that, even with that, comes from a good place. Didn't touch on anything because at the, at the, in the same tone, I'm not a political guy. I'm not a guy that's going out here trying to portray this, like I know anything about anything. I am just the guy here for laughs, comedian. I don't care for none of that serious stuff. People ask me all these deep questions. I'm like, "Yo, I don't look at anything like that." Like, I think I'm just being me. I never was trying to get into no deep side of anything with nothing.

    8. SB

      You are consistent. Uh-

    9. DR

      For sure. I mean-

    10. SB

      That's why I went through, I was going through all of your, all of your skits, um, and I was thinking, look, he's consistent with, with your values and what ... You're not aiming at anyone in particular.

    11. DR

      Ever. Ever.

    12. SB

      You're just pointing out the funny obs- the funny thing in the room.

    13. DR

      And never punching down. That's a, that's a big one. People can never show me anything where it's like, "Okay, he's punching down at this. This is a, this is coming from a bad place." It's always me genuinely just speaking on what's funny or mannerisms or things that I, I see people do where I'm people watching or, you know, just exposing things to the world that we see that we don't notice that we see.

    14. SB

      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean-

    15. DR

      And it has nothing to do with the fucking political side or the race side and all that stuff. It's just stuff that's going on in real life that we see. Sometimes comedians have a, have a way of showing the viewer something that they don't notice that they see. It could be in the back of your brain, and you can bring it to life and be like, "Wow, I might've saw that 15 years ago, but that's funny because I remember seeing that." You bring these things to life. This is what a great comedic actor does.

    16. SB

      I think it's probably, there's probably something in the fact that if, if both sides at some point are angry at you or shouting at you-

    17. DR

      Mm

    18. SB

      ... for doing something, at least that means that you're not politically affiliated necessarily-

    19. DR

      I, I-

    20. SB

      ... because you're trying to fit in things there

    21. DR

      ... I don't even know what the fuck. [laughs] I don't even, I don't even touch on none of that political or, you know-

    22. SB

      But that means that you're just finding things-

    23. DR

      ... religion or none of that stuff

    24. SB

      ... funny everywhere versus-

    25. DR

      Yeah

    26. SB

      ... just finding them funny over there or just finding them funny over there.

    27. DR

      I agree. I, I think I, I just, I, I've never had the want to do that, and some people, like you, you have these late night shows that talk about that type of stuff or, you know, these guys that that's their spiel.

    28. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    29. DR

      That's not my spiel. I'm not really-

    30. SB

      Same with podcasters.

  20. 1:18:30 – 1:23:53

    Trump-Druski Moment

    1. DR

      agree.

    2. SB

      Sounded like Trump did s- ask Erika Kirk to sue you, though.

    3. DR

      [laughs]

    4. SB

      But you must be aw- This is crazy.

    5. DR

      No. [laughs]

    6. SB

      I thought this-

    7. DR

      I don't know if that's true, though. I don't know if that was-

    8. SB

      Well, it looks like it. It looks like it.

    9. DR

      [laughs]

    10. SB

      I read it, and I thought that can't be f- That's, there's no way that's true. There's no way that's true. Here we go. In March, you released a video of how conservative white women in America act.

    11. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. SB

      And it did hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of views.

    13. DR

      Millions.

    14. SB

      I think I watched it, like-

    15. DR

      Insane

    16. SB

      ... 20, 20 times.

    17. DR

      Insane, man.

    18. SB

      I've-

    19. DR

      Insane

    20. SB

      ... and then in April, exactly one week later, Trump made the comment to Erika Kirk that she should sue him. He didn't say who.

    21. DR

      [laughs]

    22. SB

      But I'm just saying, that is-

    23. DR

      Who knows? I don't know if he was talking about me. [laughs]

    24. SB

      Who was he talking about?

    25. DR

      I don't know.

    26. SB

      [laughs] It wasn't about me.

    27. DR

      [laughs] To this day, I have no idea, but people sent me that video. I just didn't know if it was pertaining towards me. I just-

    28. SB

      [laughs] It's crazy

    29. DR

      ... just left it alone. I have no idea.

    30. SB

      [laughs] Leave it alone.

  21. 1:23:53 – 1:29:11

    How Netflix and Amazon Rejected Druski

    1. SB

      that we often don't speak about as well with people like yourself is just the rejection along the way.

    2. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    3. SB

      Because your story could quite easily be portrayed as this sort of, like, you know, bump in the road here, college-

    4. DR

      Sure

    5. SB

      ... struggle issues here, this situation happens, Drake calls after you've spent a long time on your own posting and compounding, and then off to the races.

    6. DR

      Yeah.

    7. SB

      Happy ending. But there's still rejection along the way. I, I was reading that you were rejected by both Netflix and Amazon.

    8. DR

      Yeah. Early on.

    9. SB

      What was the proposal you made to them, and what was that rejection?

    10. DR

      I think it, it was multiple. It wasn't just one time. I think we've, we've... Years and years of proposals, and I had, like, different FX proposals. Like, we were supposed to get a show with FX, and it was a no. We were supposed to do a movie with Amazon, it was a no. Supposed to do multiple different projects with Netflix. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And we just never gave up, and I eventually said, "If I'm getting money from these companies, and they're paying me, instead of going and buying a car or another house or maybe, uh, a nice jewelry and all this stuff, I'm going to invest in myself." And I decided to just go, and all these show ideas that I had, I'm gonna do it on YouTube and spend my own money to invest into it. And that, and that is essentially what I did, and I think that's brought to you Coulda Been Auditions. That's brought to you Coulda Been Loved. That's brought to you Coulda Been House, Coulda Been Daddy, amongst other things like you've seen in the Druski universe of taking it to another level with all the sketches and the production I've done and the millions of dollars I've spent and all these things. I, I started to just believe in myself and not turn around and try to, "Oh, I'm gonna come back and try to do the same proposal again in a better way." I was like, "I'ma just bet on myself."

    11. SB

      And then they call?

    12. DR

      Now it's, yeah, it's a whole different story now. [laughs] Now they wanna purchase these shows that we've made and do more in the future. Yeah, so now it's a bidding war

    13. SB

      What is the lesson there?

    14. DR

      The lesson there is just believe in yourself, man. Before anybody sees the vision, you have to see it. If you don't see the vision yourself, you're almost doing yourself a disservice. It has to start with you, and I think most people don't understand what they have in front of them. Everybody's like, "Oh, I'm waiting on the big movie. I'm waiting on my big movie break. Once I do it, da, da, da, da, da, I'm gonna do this. Once they give me a opportunity, I'm waiting on my opportunity. Shit, I'm gonna just keep da, da, da, da, da until they give me op- I'm k-" You don't even believe in yourself, man. All that money you got last year from this and that and all these things, you didn't put not one dime into your content. You still shooting the same shit with the same phone, and that's cool. Some people are cool with that. You don't need much. Not saying you need the big productions I have. You don't. But are you really doubling down and betting on yourself if you're not investing in your own stuff? And that was a conversation I had to have with myself, and I was like, "Damn, I'm gonna show them, not by coming back and doubling back. I'm gonna show them by doing it myself and having them wanting what I did in reverse." And maybe they don't want that. Maybe they'll see what I was capable of doing and then wanting to do other things.

    15. SB

      But along the way, you're gonna have to have a lot of smart people-

    16. DR

      For sure

    17. SB

      ... who, [chuckles] by their job title or their status or their LinkedIn bio-

    18. DR

      Yeah

    19. SB

      ... evidently know much more than you do, telling you that you're wrong, telling you that that idea is not a good one.

    20. DR

      Yeah.

    21. SB

      And that is something that I guess you have to, like, conceptualize in your head. Like, how, how do I deal with that? This smart person at insert streaming platform is telling me no.

    22. DR

      Yeah.

    23. SB

      But I think yes, and they-

    24. DR

      Plenty, plenty of people have told me no, man, even down to the dudes that I was telling you that were making fun of me at the college saying, "Oh, you don't even have no shoes to go out with us. Why would we pick you up?" I told those guys on the s- the second to last week I kinda was going to classes that I was gonna try to pursue comedy, and they were like, "Bro, come on, man." They were like, "Yo, you're funny, bro, but you ain't, you ain't that funny. Think about what you're going up against. You're going up against, like, Kevin Hart or, like, the Kings of Comedy, Bernie Mac and all these guys. Think about it, bro. What they doing, that's big. That's, like, unfathomable. Like, you can't even..." To that day, I'll never forget that conversation, 'cause it was like a little side conversation with them. Maybe they was like, "Oh, whatever." They probably might not even remember that conversation. It was just like a whatever conversation to them.

    25. SB

      Were they right when they said, "By the way, Dru, those legends are up there and you're down here"?

    26. DR

      Not a, not a shot.

    27. SB

      They weren't right.

    28. DR

      Not at all. I believed even then. I h- I could already see it happening. Like, I had visions of it already being in front of me before I even got a chance to actually do it.

    29. SB

      I guess also what I'm saying is, like, y- they, they, they could've been theoretically right that there was a long gap. It's not to say you couldn't close it.

    30. DR

      No, it's n- no, it's not to say I couldn't close it. I agree.

  22. 1:29:11 – 1:35:29

    When He Realized How Big He Had Become

    1. SB

      why I say this? It's because there's so many-

    2. DR

      Yeah

    3. SB

      ... kids right now that are looking at you-

    4. DR

      Mm-hmm

    5. SB

      ... or they're looking at, I don't know, insert sports athlete or insert podcaster and they're going, they're looking up at a mountaintop and they're going, "Objectively-

    6. DR

      That's so far

    7. SB

      ... that person is better than me. They have the skills. They have the mannerisms."

    8. DR

      Oh, yeah.

    9. SB

      "They have the body language down. Like, the gap is so big that I won't even bother." And I, that's kind of what I'm pointing at is did you ever feel, did you ever know the gap was big?

    10. DR

      I never looked at it like it was a big gap. I always felt... 'Cause when, what, I'm gonna tell you the, the problem with looking at it like it's a big gap. Once you process your brain to thinking this is so far unattainable, the journey becomes not even, like you're not even thinking these steps could happen.

    11. SB

      Yeah.

    12. DR

      There has to be steps. So I, from me seeing that those guys are great, they've all done amazing things. I look up to all of them, but I know it's achievable. I, I had steps in place that I knew, and nobody else could see these steps up to this level of trying to be great.

    13. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    14. DR

      Nobody else sees that. You, you're the only person that is able to see these small steps. So once I started to see the small steps, I'm like, "I'm only going up a ladder. I'm not not getting closer." I sa- I know that this is a far maybe thing, but I'm not looking at it like that-

    15. SB

      Mm-hmm

    16. DR

      ... because every small thing I'm, I feel like I'm gaining in on it.

    17. SB

      So you were just focused on the small steps?

    18. DR

      I was focused on the small s- I never... If you focus on the far goal, no, you'll never achieve shit, man.

    19. SB

      [chuckles]

    20. DR

      [chuckles] I'm saying it's funny, but it's the truth. It's like, let's say you're like, "Oh, I'm gonna win an Oscar," and you just started as an actor. Yes, you can say, "I wanna win an Oscar," but what are the small steps you're gonna do before achieving? What are the, all these stairs all the way to where the fuck this Oscar is at?

    21. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    22. DR

      If you don't look at all these stairs, bro, you, it's like looking at a mountain without the ladder.

    23. SB

      [chuckles]

    24. DR

      You, you gotta find a way to climb this shit. If you don't see, if you don't have no steps or no ladder or nothing, you don't have no way to get to it. I agree with what he is saying in a way, but not really. It's like I'm gonna build my own steps to getting there.

    25. SB

      'Cause he's saying don't even bother.

    26. DR

      Yeah, he's saying don't even bother. That is so far out. Come on, man. You're funny, but you ain't... These dudes is like, he's looking at them like they're like a god. Like this is... Don't look at yourself like that. That's, you c- as if they didn't come from the same thing.

    27. SB

      Because those gods, those people you're looking up to, they, when they were 19, 20-

    28. DR

      Yeah

    29. SB

      ... they, they probably, um-

    30. DR

      You believe that they just were always destined.

  23. 1:35:29 – 1:38:54

    What’s Next for Druski?

    1. DR

      that.

    2. SB

      What is next for you in your world? What is, what is the big goals, the big aims? You're on set shooting a movie. If we sit down in five years' time and it's been a great five years since we last spoke-

    3. DR

      Mm-hmm

    4. SB

      ... what happened?

    5. DR

      I became a superstar. That is my full pursuit right now is now you see, you don't see the blonde hair, you don't see the long beard, you don't see the Druski that you once saw, the social media guy. You see the superstar Druski and what he has evolved to become. That is what my next five-year goal is, and continuously past that. Like, my next 30-year goal is to be the number one comedian of my generation and be the face of comedy for the next 30 years, how Eddie Murphy did or how Kevin Hart did or, the list could go on, like Will Ferrell and all these guys that I look up to. I want to have a run like that. My thing is not just doing one thing for one era. I like to watch people and how they evolve and how they have done different things over their career. When you see Eddie go from the raw stuff into the movies where he's alongside one of the biggest white actors of that time, and he leaves SNL and then he goes and does family movies and all this shit, and then he does, like, Harlem Nights with, uh, Richard Pryor and he does Life with Martin Lawrence and they team up and you see good comedia- I would wanna do that same type of stuff for my generation. I wanna team up with all the big comedic people of this time. I wanna be the face of this generation for comedy.

    6. SB

      Have you learned to talk big? Because it, a l- a lot of people don't have the guts to say-

    7. DR

      Mm-hmm

    8. SB

      ... "I want to be a superstar. I wanna be the number one in my generation." Have you learnt to talk like that? Is it a useful way of talking, or have you always spoken like that?

    9. DR

      I've always spoke that way. Always. Always. Even from early on days, like I, I, I, I'd always wanted to be more than just good, and I know I say that a lot, but that is a, it's a true thing that-

    10. SB

      Well, I've, I've got the video from you 10 years ago and you're saying, "I'm gonna be on the same level as me now."

    11. DR

      [laughs] No, I know.

    12. SB

      And 10 years ago me now would've-

    13. DR

      But see that, but see, yeah, yeah, but at the time the, the bar was set lower than what I have the bar set at now. One of the things that I always wanted to do, I wanted to continue to evolve. So certain things that I've said then, I've noticed that I've grown since then, and I wanna break the chains of that. I wanna continue to evolve and become this newer person. I wanna do the Jamie Foxx and doing the Ray biopic, and you get an Oscar for that, oh my God, that's amazing. But then turn around and do Django, which is a mixture of comedy and real acting, and then turn around and do a, a, a, a funny comedy movie. So it's like that's the type of evolving I'm looking to do in my career of where I can continue to just keep transcending. And I, and I didn't learn to talk that way. That is something that was taught to me from my upbringing, just being confident in myself and just knowing who you are. And that might have been because my mom was recording me from three, four, five, six, seven years old and continuously on, and always trying to have home videos of me dancing and making my family laugh and all this crazy stuff. But yeah, the- these are things that I built confidence over time to become, you know, this person.

  24. 1:38:54 – 1:48:40

    What He Would Tell His Younger Self

    1. SB

      And if you could rewind the clock and say a couple of words to this Druski on his-

    2. DR

      Mm

    3. SB

      ... uh, in that college dorm room on his own, no friends, what does that guy need to hear?

    4. DR

      I would say to believe in yourself more than you have ever believed in your entire life. You can be iconic. You are great. You are one of one. And to stay consistent even when the road looks rough and you cannot see the hole at the end of the tunnel, because that's something that most people usually jump off the railroad for. They can't see the outcome. Once it gets kinda blurry and it's foggy and the, the noser, like, like I said, my car got repossessed, most people quit. That's the point most people quit. Their girl cheats on them or something bad happens. When you, you, you sat on your knees and you prayed all night and you prayed, prayed, "Oh my God, God, please give me this. I'm looking for this. I want this to happen for me," then boom, God starts to shift things. Shit, things start to shift, and the people, "Oh my God, this... I asked Him for this. Hell, I don't..." It's because He put you through the trial. You didn't even get through the trials and the tribulations yet. You just... He started to remove things from your life as soon as you asked for it, and now you're questioning why it happened. It's like this is, this is what you essentially wanted. This is what you asked for. And most people, they get off the track before it even starts. They can't see the outcome, so they get worried and they just jump off. It's... And, and that's what I would tell myself, man. Stay to it. Stay to it.

    5. SB

      There's an interesting point here, which is, um, you know, a lot of us, we talk about never quitting, but sometimes you do have to quit, right? 'Cause like you quit college. I've qu- I quit college and, and there's this weird thing because there's-

    6. DR

      Certain things. [laughs]

    7. SB

      Certain things.

    8. DR

      Rappers, if you out there and you still rapping past 30, quit.

    9. SB

      [laughs]

    10. DR

      Get the fuck off that mic and get the hell out that studio. Quit that shit. So you're right. Sometimes you do. [laughs] Get the fuck out of that studio, man. [laughs] I agree. No. Th- to, to some sorts y- is, is true. Yes. Yes.

    11. SB

      A- and-

    12. DR

      That's a hell of a way to wrap the entire conversation. [laughs]

    13. SB

      But it's interesting because I think it's nu- it's everything's nuanced.

    14. DR

      Yeah.

    15. SB

      And when you've got a passion, of course you pu- pursue it, and when, especially when there's evidence.

    16. DR

      Yeah.

    17. SB

      But the... I, I wonder in your industry, 'cause there's gonna be a lot of people who are pursuing comedy-

    18. DR

      Mm-hmm

    19. SB

      ... who might not have the... And this is the always the, like, balancing act. We, I think, you know, I started a podcast and it went well, so I've got a little bit of like survivorship bias of, in a way like.

    20. DR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. SB

      So the advice I might give to young podcasters is just like, "Well, just like start it in your kitchen and then put it, and then just keep at it for six years and then..."

    22. DR

      Yeah.

    23. SB

      But there might have been some advantages that I'm not aware of. In your case, I go, I looked at you at six years old, you were funny.

    24. DR

      Yeah.

    25. SB

      You were funny at six.

    26. DR

      Yeah.

    27. SB

      I wasn't funny at six.

    28. DR

      Yeah.

    29. SB

      So if, if I tried to, to be you-

    30. DR

      Yeah

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