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How I Taught Millions Of Women The Most Important Skill: Girls Who Code Founder: Reshma Saujani

This episode is part of our USA series, over the coming weeks you will get to see some incredible conversations with guests the likes of which we’ve never seen before. Bringing more value, more incredible stories, and more world-beating expertise. Reshma is the founder of Girls Who Code, one of the most influential non-profits in the world which has introduced millions of women to coding and the tech industry. She is also the author of Pay Up, a book about how to get women further in the workplace. Topics 0:00 Intro 01:38 Growing up as an immigrant 13:10 University dept 18:23 Running for congress 27:54 Starting Girls Who Code 36:20 The difficult parts of building girls who code 41:38 What would you have done differently? 48:18 Fixing the system not the women 56:21 How is your mental health? 01:00:46 How do you decide what to say yes or no to? 01:03:30 Empowering women in a practical way 01:09:01 What does success look like in your future? 01:13:45 The last guests question Reshma: https://www.instagram.com/reshmasaujani/ https://twitter.com/reshmasaujani Reshma’s book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pay-Up-Future-Women-Different/dp/1982191570 Girls Who Code: https://girlswhocode.com/ Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT... FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-ba... Sponsors: Huel - https://my.huel.com/Steven Myenergi - https://bit.ly/3oeWGnl Vodafone Business - https://bit.ly/3NIM35n https://bit.ly/3AuPKsA Location courtesy of The Nightfall Group: www.nightfallgroup.com

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Jun 6, 20221h 19mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 19:40

    Immigrant Roots, Racism, and the Birth of a Fighter

    Reshma outlines her parents’ escape from Idi Amin’s Uganda and their struggle to rebuild in the U.S., changing their names and accepting daily microaggressions to survive. Growing up Brown in a white working‑class Midwestern town, she faced bullying, racist vandalism, and a brutal beating at 13 that flipped her from wanting to assimilate into embracing her identity and fighting injustice.

  2. 19:40 – 34:00

    Chasing Credentials: Yale, Debt, and Losing Herself on Wall Street

    Reshma explains her obsession with elite credentials as an immigrant’s daughter and how repeated applications finally got her into Yale Law and Harvard—alongside crippling student debt. That debt pushed her into a high‑paying Wall Street law job, where she felt completely misaligned with her childhood vision of being a changemaker and sank into anxiety and despair.

  3. 34:00 – 50:50

    Running for Congress: Naivety, Smears, and a Spectacular Loss

    Reshma recounts her first Congressional run as the first Indian American woman to seek such a seat, challenging a powerful incumbent. She describes naïvely believing merit and hustle would be enough, only to be met with character attacks, casual racism, and media trivialization before losing badly—an experience that nonetheless became her entrepreneurial boot camp.

  4. 50:50 – 1:03:20

    From Political Failure to Founding Girls Who Code

    After mourning her loss, Reshma channelled her frustration into understanding a problem she’d noticed on the campaign trail: the absence of girls and people of color in computer science classrooms. She researched the gender gap, wrote a business plan, ran another (unsuccessful) campaign, and simultaneously launched Girls Who Code, deciding that if she couldn’t legislate change, she’d build it directly.

  5. 1:03:20 – 1:15:50

    Building a Global Girls Who Code Movement

    Reshma outlines how Girls Who Code grew from a single program into 10,000 clubs worldwide and nearly half a million alumnae, focusing on aligning coding with girls’ desire to change the world. She explains the dual strategy of hands‑on programs embedded in tech companies and aggressive cultural change campaigns that made “girl coder” a mainstream, aspirational identity.

  6. 1:15:50 – 1:26:40

    Leadership, Intensity, and the Hidden Cost of Being ‘All In’

    Reshma reflects on her leadership style at Girls Who Code—evangelical, intense, and mission‑obsessed—and admits she often undervalued praise, expected religion‑level commitment, and struggled when others treated it as just a job. She also describes stepping down as CEO, confronting how much validation had been tied to her title, and realizing how rarely founders are acknowledged once they leave.

  7. 1:26:40 – 1:38:20

    Miscarriages, Motherhood, and Hitting Rock Bottom Again

    In one of the most vulnerable sections, Reshma reveals a seven‑year stretch of repeated miscarriages that coincided with the peak growth of Girls Who Code. She describes repeatedly going from doctors telling her there was no heartbeat directly to high‑stakes speeches and events, realizing later how deeply unhealthy and self‑erasing that pattern was.

  8. 1:38:20 – 1:48:20

    Redefining Strength: Mental Health, Boundaries, and Wanting Less

    Pressed about how to avoid future rock bottoms, Reshma argues for a different model of strength: prioritizing wellness consistently, not just after breakdowns. She candidly rates her mental health at a six, describes new habits like sleep tracking and exercise, and explains how studying the Bhagavad Gita has helped her detach from external validation and focus on her dharma.

  9. 1:48:20 – 2:10:00

    From ‘Fix the Woman’ to Fix the System: Pay Up

    Reshma explains why she pivoted from teaching women bravery to demanding systemic change in her book *Pay Up*. Catalyzed by COVID’s disproportionate impact on working mothers, she argues that motherhood is treated as a personal choice, not a social infrastructure issue, and that true equality requires childcare, paid leave, flexible work, cultural rebranding of motherhood, and collective advocacy.

  10. 2:10:00

    Vision of Equality and Calling Out Imposter Propaganda

    In closing, Reshma articulates her long‑term vision: a world where girls and mothers can choose any path without structural penalties or internalized shame. She argues that imposter syndrome is often misdiagnosed—that many women and people of color are actually over‑qualified but made to feel like they snuck in—and calls for rejecting self‑help narratives that insist the problem is individual rather than systemic.

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