The Diary of a CEOJack Maynard: The Untold Story: How Being Thrown Out The Jungle Changed My Life Forever | E71
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Intro
- JMJack Maynard
That's it. I was like, "My career is over." (dramatic music) Oh, yeah. I had, like, no confidence or no... I was, like, a shell of, like, my former self.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You don't often get to hear about the real human implications of cancel culture. You don't get to hear how it feels for the recipitant. You don't get to see how it plays out in the moment. My next guest, he can tell you. Jack Maynard was caught in the middle of a well-known, well-documented British cancel culture moment when something that he had said almost 10 years earlier resurfaced while he was at the peak of his powers, while he was fulfilling his dream, while he was in the middle of filming I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! a couple of years ago. And the events that would unfold following that cancel culture moment would change him forever. PTSD, anxiety, depression, shame. He even remarked today that there was, uh, a high chance he wasn't gonna make it to this podcast because some of those symptoms still remain. I guess the question is, how do you pick yourself up from something like that? How do those moments feel? What actually happens when you're told while you're in the middle of the jungle in Australia filming a show that the outside world has turned against you? These are the things you can only learn from hearing the truth from someone that's been through those situations. So without further ado, my name is Stephen Bartlett, and this is The Diary of a CEO. I hope nobody's listening, but if you are, then please keep this to yourself.
- 1:44 – 11:00
Youtube and your family
- SBSteven Bartlett
So Jack, um, I did a lot of research on you and your, your background, what you're into, the work you do.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And your sort of professional endeavors are quite eclectic. They... You know, it's hard to pin down whether you consider yourself to be a YouTuber now-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... or a DJ-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... or something else. So I wanted to-
- JMJack Maynard
(laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
Despite all the research, I wanted to ask you, like... I'm not a fan of, like, l- labeling oneself-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... but how do you, how do you classify yourself now?
- JMJack Maynard
I still do describe myself as a YouTuber, like, to everyone I meet. I kind of say, "Oh, yeah," you know? "I do YouTube." And you still to this day get a look of, like, "What do you mean you do YouTube? That's your job?" But I think, like you just said, there's kind of a collective of things that I do. And when I kind of break it down to everything I do, they, yeah, like kind of fully understand now. Like, very recently as well, people have only just started to understand, like, what it actually is and that YouTube and just social media itself can be obviously a job. So, yeah, I still go for YouTuber as my go-to.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You s- you don't post as much as you used to on your main channel.
- JMJack Maynard
On YouTube, no. Mainly because literally at the beginning of last year, I decided, right, I wanna go kind of bigger productions, a lot like a lot of the music videos I've done and, and things like that, and I just wanna kind of get out there, like other... I'm kind of really wanting to just get loads of, like, celebrities and, like, reality TV stars on my channel and do loads of fun things in places like, you know, all over (laughs) the world with them. And then, obviously, kind of COVID came in. So I was just at a point where I was so, like, honestly, like, sick to death of filming videos at home, like, in my flat, you know, that I was honestly just beyond bored, and I had so many other things I was doing as well.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You have... I, I think you sh- I think I saw four videos this year on your YouTube channel.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. Not many, is it? (laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
No. (laughs)
- JMJack Maynard
Considering I was uploading-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
... once or twice a week-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
... before. But yeah, like I said, I really just kind of couldn't face doing those kind of videos. And, and for me, YouTube's always been something that I enjoy so much, and my best videos are honestly the videos I've kind of enjoyed making the most.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What's the, like the... You know, people will look at YouTubers, espec- especially young kids, and they think, "Oh, God. I'd love to be a YouTuber." I think I read a report-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... that said, um, one of the, especially in the, the Western world in the UK, one of the jobs that people aspired, young kids aspire to the most, gen Z, is to become a YouTuber.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
But I'm sure, and I know because I've spoken to a lot of YouTubers, that there's a lot of, um, adverse side effects-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... of the job.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, definitely. I think... Well, the first thing is people think it's obviously e- Like, people do think it's easy, 100%. You know, you get to sit around making silly videos in their eyes. I think if you ask, you know, 100 people, probably 80 of them would probably say, "Oh, they just kinda sit around making, like, stupid videos." They don't see a lot of the stuff (laughs) kinda that goes into it. But it's definitely not easy. You know, there's no guarantee that you're gonna do well on it. You have no idea if you do well on it, how long that will last and all... Like, you know, there's all those kinda things. And it's just, like, a lot of pressure because it's not like a, "Oh, I know I'm gonna do these every week. I'm gonna get paid, like, X amount. This is gonna be my job. This is gonna be my career." Like, you're on a salary. It's like, no. You could, you know, you could put all your time and effort into it and maybe, like, money into certain things you're trying to do, and if it doesn't pay off, it's definitely...
- 11:00 – 20:58
I’m A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here!
- JMJack Maynard
Um...
- SBSteven Bartlett
TV?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Your first experience on TV, mainstream TV-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... was that on I'm A Celeb?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
How did you feel? You get the phone call.
- JMJack Maynard
Um, I didn't think it was gonna... I honestly did not think I was gonna get on it whatsoever, but I was like, "Let's definitely go to that meeting, you know, the whole thing of let-"
- SBSteven Bartlett
So you get a phone call-
- JMJack Maynard
"... so they can see my face and all this other..."
- SBSteven Bartlett
... and they're like, "We'd love to just chat to you about something." You go and meet them, yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. Just called me in for, like, a meeting and don't know what it was that day. I remember leaving the meeting thinking either they're just, like, really nice and good at acting or that went, like, so well.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
I was just, like, kinda felt like I was fire that day.
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- JMJack Maynard
I g- I got to winn- there were, like, nothing to lose. I was like, "I'm not gonna get it, but this will be..." You know, I was more thinking, "Cool, maybe next year."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
Then the next one, then I, like, will get on if I carry on and do all this kind of stuff.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Was it an audition? Or-
- JMJack Maynard
It wasn't an audition, it was just a meeting.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Meet and greet, right?
- JMJack Maynard
We met, like, the, like, the casting people, I guess. I kn- and I know a few of my friends had also met them. I think, like, Caspar and stuff-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Ah.
- JMJack Maynard
... had also met them. It was, like, two months after I just had the meeting, and I never told anyone for some reason. Like, again, like I said, because I just didn't think it was gonna happen. And then the boys, "Oh, yeah, I had this, like, meeting as well." And I was like, "Oh..."Oh. We all went there then. The Bastards. So I was like- Yeah. ... "Oh, God. I'm up against, like-" I feel like cheating. I'm like- "... these people." I was like- Yeah. ... "I'm def- I'm, I don't think I'm gonna get it then." They were like, "Oh, yeah. No, we got the ... We got told, like, a couple of weeks ago that, 'Oh, it's,' you know, 'it's not gonna go any further, but thanks for coming in.'" And I was like, "Oh, I haven't got that call." (laughs) I didn't say, but I was thinking, I was like- Yeah, no. ... "I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened unless my manager hasn't told me or something." And literally, it was like the next day, they called like, "Oh, we really wanna meet Jack again," and I think I met them... I can't really remember the meeting because this one was more just sort of like a kind of how it all goes if I do do it. And literally, like, the next day, they were like, "Cool. We want Jack to do it. Can you do it?" I was like, "Obviously." (laughs) Obviously, I can do it. I was so scared though because I'm actually, like, terrified of bugs. (laughs) Bugs. Right. Yeah. So I was so excited, and I was like, "This is it." Could you ... Like- No. ... you couldn't tell people for a while, right? No, I couldn't. You must be quite nervous. Obviously, I did. (laughs) Speaker 1: (laughs) But I was just like- Obviously. (laughs) Oh, God. I was, like, so scared. I was like, "How the hell has this happened?" But the one thing I will say, I didn't ... It's, uh, this is, like, bad. Obviously, I did when I knew I was doing it. But I never actually really watched the show before. Mm-hmm. Obviously, I completely knew what it was, but I didn't realize how big the show was. Mm-hmm. I didn't realize at that time it was arguably the biggest show, like, in the country. Huge. Yeah. Like, like, yeah, between like that, like, kind of Strictly and things. Yeah. Like, they were all, like, battling it out for number one. So, yeah, I just kind of prepared myself for it all. Like I said, I was, I was feeling great going into it. I was feeling, like, really good. How much notice did you get between knowing w- you were on the show- I think I actually knew for, like, a while. I must've known for, like, a couple of months. Right. I remember getting there, and people were like, "Oh, I found out," literally, like, couple of weeks ago. Really? But I was like ... I knew for, like, ages. Ex- like I said, I guess they knew they were getting a YouTuber on, like- Hmm. ... probably at the end of the season before. They were like, "Oh, next year we need a YouTuber," or something, so. You fly to Australia? Yeah. I'd done all my stuff. I was feeling good. Flew to Australia, and I was the first one to get there, so I was there for a week. Dibs. I had no phone. (laughs) And I was an idiot because when, like I said, I was in the jungle, people were telling me like, "Oh, do you want to just bring another phone and, like, hide it?" And I was like ... Obviously, I was too scared to do that. (laughs) So I was like, "Oh, no." And they did? "I actually need to do that." Yeah. Everyone did. I was- What? All the other guests had phones? They, they just, like, had another phone with them somewhere in their suitcase, so they were just, like, talking to their friends, I guess, whatever. Like, no, I didn't know who else was there at the time, but when I was in the camp- What, what? While they were in the jungle? No, no, no. Okay. Whilst they were, like, in the, like, kind of- Okay. ... is- the lockdown-y kind of thing before you were shut- Pre-jungle. ... in a hotel room for a week, and you- And you didn't have a phone? ... don't see anyone. Didn't have a phone. Oh, it was the boring time of my life, and you're, like, jet-lagged as well. But luckily, the lady who was looking after me, yeah, she just wa- ... I could not leave my room without her being next to me. But she was really nice. Like, we got along so well, so I was really happy with that. And every morning at breakfast, she was like, "Oh," like, you know, "another one's got here. Another one's got here." And she wouldn't tell me who it was, but she'd give me clues, and then I was like, "Oh." It, it was just annoying me. I was like, "I wonder how my social media's going." Again. (laughs) Because that's just- It wasn't- ... what I figured. It was, like, an everyday thing for me. I'd post everything, do these things. It was so weird not checking it. I was like, "Look, let's make a deal, a kind of deal with you." There was no deal in my heart- Yeah, yeah. ... or on my part, but, you know, "Will you do me a favor?" Get me a phone. "Just, do you have to ... Don't say anything. Can you just go on my Instagram and let me look at, like, what's been uploaded and let me just see-" Yeah, yeah. "... it's going well?" And I think at the time I was averaging, like, 40 to, like, 60,000 likes, so it was going, like, pretty well. And then she's like, "Yeah, but you can't look at the comments or anything 'cause they might be saying who's in there." I was like, "Deal," and I didn't actually look. But then I looked at my photos, and I was getting, like, 250,000 likes, and I was like, "What?" (laughs) And that's when I realized how big the show was. Like, there, at that moment I was like, "Oh, my God. Just from being announced-" Hmm. "... yeah. Like, it's just gone-" The world's into you. "... crazy." And I, I was thinking, you know, maybe they're making a bit of a ... Like, it's probably is causing debate. Mm-hmm. Like, "Oh, this YouTuber. Is he a celebrity? Is he not?" Mm-hmm. And I was, like, welcoming that 'cause I was like, "This gets more people, like, talking about me. It gets my name out there more." So that's when I was like, "Oh, my God." This is massive. "I need to win this." (laughs) Oh, really? (laughs) So then I was like, "I need to, I need to win this." What was your strategy? 'Cause I've always thought if I ever got into, like, a reality TV show, I'd be like, "How do I not be a prick?" Like ... (laughs) For me, it was just hon- like, to be honest- Just being yourself. ... at that point, I had, like, no anxiety, no stresses. I was not scared at all. I wasn't even, like, nervous. Like, nerves never hit me. That was always one of my strengths, I've found. So I was just, yeah, I was, like, confident. Not so much confident that I'm gonna win, but I was just so confident in that, you know, I know I can go in there and come across, like, fine. Give them stuff. I know, I know I won't go on there and be, like, a horrible person or whatever. That's- Mm-hmm. ... just not who I am, so yeah, I was confident. And went in there first couple of days of filming with everyone. Just felt, like, great. Like, so natural, I guess. I kind of knew what was going on a little bit 'cause we got partnered up straightaway, and I was obviously the youngest. I was the youngest person on there, but I was the youngest guy, and then Toff was the youngest girl, and then we got partnered. And it was like, the people at home voted who was together. So I just kind of saw- Ah. ... where that was, like, going. Sure. And it was like, "Cool. So they're trying to do that kind of story with it." So you went for it. (laughs) So I think, to be honest, I think she's, like, a very smart girl. Didn't ever play a character, but it was like, "Play the most entertaining version of yourself the whole time," and was just like, yeah, kind of giving the people what they want. And I knew she was doing the same as well. Mm-hmm. Like, she'd read into the situation, and I, I remember thinking, I was like, "Oh, it's gonna be ..." (laughs) This sounds really mean for the other people on there, but I was like, "I have, like, a feeling maybe it's gonna be between, like, me and her, or I think we'll both do, like, really well-" Mm-hmm. "... if we keep ... as we're going." 'Cause it was just, like, little things, like, you realize we were just maybe saying the most, like, kinda jokes between everyone, and, like, we were maybe the most, like, just- Interesting. ... having the most, like f- like, fun with it. A lot of people were quite stressed and stuff, but we were having, like, a lot of fun.Um, and then yeah, obviously, it took like a massive turn. I don't know what you're talking about. (laughs) Well, if you don't, that's fine, we can carry on. Maybe I won. Yeah. (laughs) You won, congratulations. Yeah. No one knows though. (laughs) No. Go on, so what happened next? Um, I mean, I don't think I'm allowed to get too into it in terms of like what happened- No, we know. It's just me and you. ... on set, but it is like in terms of- I won't tell anyone. (laughs) So I was there in the morning, was like super early. I mean, it must've been like 6:00 AM, something like that, five, 6:00 AM. And there's like a rule, like two people always need to be in the camp at one point. And they were calling the, you know, the voices of God. The person on the microphone (laughs) was like calling people to go and do something, like, "Oh, you need to go down there," this, that. I realized I was on my own, and I was like, "I swear this isn't allowed." Then I was like, "Oh, well, maybe, you know, we've been in here a few days now, they're like loosening up and whatever, you know, we're all adults here, I'm sure I'll be fine," type thing. And he was like, "Oh, Jack, can you come to like the medical hut?" I was like, "Oh, okay." And I had two things on my mind. First being, I'd like a tic the day before, like- Hmm. ... and so I was like, "Oh, maybe they're just checking in on that." Or, this is where it gets like really depressing, I was like, "Oh, here we go." 'Cause they always, in the show, kind of pull someone to the side, and they have like kind of like a secret mission-y type thing- Oh, yeah, yeah. ... they do in the show. There's always someone who has to do something without anyone else knowing. Is this that? Or maybe it's that. So I was like going there like really a- quite excited, intrigued. (laughs) And then I went in there and it was just like all the producers and stuff, and I was like, "This doesn't look very good." (laughs) I was like- Hmm. ... "What?" I was taken out with like no explanation whatsoever. I had no idea- You weren't given an explanation? I was not told for like four hours. I got taken out, and the hotel was like four hours away. And pretty much until I got my phone, which was at the hotel, which was that far away, I didn't know anything. They just said it was like, oh, something online. I was like, wow, that really- So they said s- Oh, that narrows it down. (laughs) Yeah. My, my whole life's online. They say something, something's online. Something online. So I'm just thinking like absolute, like worst case scenarios of what could like possibly happen to a young (laughs) guy on TV, 'cause I was thinking all kinds of things. Like it's weird, like you're sitting there thinking of things I know I've never done in my life, but I'm like, oh God, they've- Someone could've said something. Yeah. Someone said something or made something up, or I don't know. You're just thinking the worst. Hmm. And you're panicking, and then, I mean, it was like the weirdest, like experience. You get back your phone. Yeah. I get back to the hotel room finally, and I get my phone, and my phone's like... so crazy. And then, well, I think like the next day I realized, they'd actually like announced me being taken out before they took me out. So like my,
- 20:58 – 29:07
Finding out what happened
- JMJack Maynard
I mean, yeah, everyone knew why I'd left, but I didn't. So I was seeing these on my phone, I was like, "What the..." It was just like, everyone was just like, "Oh, you know, hope you're okay. Like, I can't believe this," and all that. And I'm like, "Oh my God." And I'm like, "I dunno what to do, I don't wanna look at it." I'm like kinda sitting there, my eyes closed (laughs) on my phone going- Yeah. Like, I don't know what to do. Got two calls I need to make here. Got a call from my brother, and then like, a thousand from my manager. So I call my manager, and it's like, my manager, lawyers, the CEO of my manager, everyone. There's like, everyone of any importance- Hmm. ... in my life is on that call. And yeah, I just find out, you know, this is something that's been going on for like nearly a week in the papers and stuff, of like, tweets and everything like this. And obviously I'm in there, I don't have a phone, so I have no control. I can't say anything. How are you feeling then? I was like crying. (laughs) Yeah. I was like, oh, I was like all over the place. I was m- I was just so frustrated. That's what it was. I was like so frustrated and like angry. Why? I don't know. I just felt this could've all s- Some... They were sitting on the, like they were sitting on this for a while, these tweets and stuff. I just n- know it, 'cause it was deleted long before I went on the show. Like a year before I even went on the show, they didn't exist anymore, 'cause they were awful. It was stupid. So I kind of got rid of them when I was kind of coming up on YouTube, it was like one of the first thing my management made me do. They're like, "Cool, let's go through everything and delete anything you've said that is just idiotic." And I was like, "Well, you should definitely, definitely do that." 'Cause I knew I'd had Twitter since I was like 15, 14 or something, so it didn't have to get to the point where I was taken out- Hmm. ... to then have to address it all. I w- I wish I could've before I even went on. Or after. Or, or, or just after, kind of like- Yeah. ... yeah, like stuck with it and kind of- Adds more drama to it, to pulling you out
- NANarrator
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
... after the whole thing. Yeah, it just made it loo- made it look worse 'cause they said, "Oh, Jack wanted to leave and address it." And I do feel like I did need to address it as soon as possible, don't get me wrong, but I mean, yeah, I didn't say, "Yeah, I should, I should leave here and, and, uh, and address these things." So it was just frustrating and yeah, so I spoke to my management, we kind of went over everything, and like, "What happens now?" And he's like, "Do you want us to come to Australia?" "No." I was like, "I just wanna come home then." 'Cause I was like, although I knew I'd done like bad things, how it was all handled, I felt like I had like hatred at that point, at that moment in time anyway- Yeah. ... for the people that were involved, like in the show that were like near me. Like I said, I was so frustrated, so I was like, "I don't wanna be here. No way." Mm-hmm. "I wanna come home then. If this is, if I, if this is it and I'm, this is done, then I'm coming home. What is the point in me being here?" Like, yeah, might as well come home. So, all that was arranged, there was literally a flight in like three hours or something, so I just like legged it to the airport. But yeah, I d- again, I hadn't like looked at my phone, I hadn't like looked at anything. Hadn't like opened WhatsApp, Twitter, Instagram, like nothing. I still don't really know the extent of what's happened. And then I, yeah, I called my brother. He was like speechless as well. But he c- but again, like he'd kind of been, like I said, this had been going on for a week, so he's been on the phone to li-... my management and stuff for, like, you know, days and days and days, going through all of this kind of trying to help. I don't ... Like, I don't know really what they were asking him or how he could kind of help, but they were like, "You know, no one reach out to you, don't say anything, don't comment on anything, don't do any of these things." And he was, like, trying to help in whatever way he could.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Did you worry that it might have an impact on him?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. That ... Wh- when I spoke to him, that was kind of one of my first thoughts, to be honest. I felt like I'd (laughs) just, like, fucked it for everyone. But like I said, at this point, I didn't really know, and then we were talking about it. He felt like, "You know, this is my time to shine in all of this. It could've been, like, life changing if I'd have, like, got..." Let's, let's say I went on, like, won. It could've been, yeah, life changing. It was, but (laughs) not-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
... not in the right way. And then he was like, "Have you looked online or anything?" And I was like, "No. I don't want to." (laughs) I was, like, scared. And he was like, "Oh, and I think you should, like, have a look." And I was like, "Why?" He's like, "Look, just hang up. Have a look online and stuff. Go on Twitter." So I did. When I went online, on Twitter, to be honest, like, all I saw was, like, support for me 'cause it was a thing of everyone knew what I said was very stupid, very naive of me, like, really bad, but, you know, people also knew what I was gonna say. People have kind of been there themselves. People understood that, okay, yeah, he was, like, a kid at the time. I was literally, like, still in school when these things had happened. It was before I had any kind of, like, following. I didn't want, you know, the Jack of today to be, you know, known as the Jack of, like, when I was 15.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
I fully understand. And this, this is, like, one of the conversations I had with my mum. I, like, accept when I was, like, 15, 16, or whatever, I wasn't a very nice, like, kid. I was pretty, like, bad. I was, like, a, kind of a naughty kid, I guess.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
And so people, like, understood that, right? "You're an idiot, but at the same time, we feel kinda, like, sorry that this has come back to, like, bite me on the ass, you know, like, seven years later or something."
- SBSteven Bartlett
In that moment, when you, you go online and you see everybody ... Like, the world is ... You know, it must feel like the world is ending to some degree.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What are your thoughts about your future in that moment, and, like-
- JMJack Maynard
Oh, I thought that was it. I was like, "My ... That, that's it." I was like, "My career is over." But I also wasn't thinking, "Oh, what am I gonna do?" But I was just like, "It's over. I don't care about what I'm gonna do now, but that ... I reckon that's it." But then also when I saw online, and, like, the amount of support, I was ... I mean, it was, like, ridiculous. It's like trending number one on, like, Twitter and all of these things. But it was just, like, huge, and the amount of celebrities that were, like, in my corner, or whatever you wanna say. It was, like, very overwhelming. The weirdest one I saw was, like, Katie Hopkins. (laughs) I was like ... She was like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Katie Hopkins? What the fuck?
- JMJack Maynard
She was like, "Oh, don't worry, Jack. You're an angel compared to me."
- SBSteven Bartlett
What the fuck?
- JMJack Maynard
Because obviously she was on the show, (laughs) and like nothing ever. I was like, "Yeah, like, yeah." (laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Really? That's not the person you wanna go cry, like-
- JMJack Maynard
"I don't want ... I don't want anything to do with them, blah, blah."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Look behind you, there's, like, Donald Trump and Katie Hopkins. Right? (laughs)
- JMJack Maynard
Then it was like ... Everyone was just very divided.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
I think it was a ... L- to sum it up. You know, I apologized loads of times on TV, on my YouTube channel, in, like, newspapers and everything.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What's the silver lining?
- JMJack Maynard
Oh, my God. I like to think I probably actually won't go anything ... won't go through anything as bad as that ever again. Like, the toll it kind of took on me, like my mental health and everything. But that didn't kind of come until, like, a year after, because I think, like I said, although I was very upset and everything, I kind of brushed it all under the rug type thing, and just put on, like, a happy face. "Ah, do you know what? Whatever kind of time to get on with it." But for me it was like, I've definitely learned a lot from this. Like, I know now what is and, like, absolutely isn't, like, acceptable and how to, like, deal with those things and, like, move forward, and just how to face the horrendous situations like that. And like I said, hold my hand up and fully take, like, the blame obviously. But it was just like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Did you have PT- PTSD? I think I read that somewhere that you had that kind of-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. So it was like ... (laughs) Um, so-
- SBSteven Bartlett
I've gone full gung ho on Huel. Um, and from having, you know, a little bit of an eye at the data, it seems that I'm, I'm not the only one. In times when we know that we're gonna get our lives back, and we're potentially gonna be having a great British summer rebound, there's a lot of people like me right now that are piling into Huel. Um, I'm doing a few things. I'm having Huel. Um, I have at least two or three Huels a day of the ready-to-drink berry flavor, but I'm also doing meal prep. And so now my diet is Huel, which is super convenient, and it makes sure that I'm hitting a lot of the things in terms of, like, vitamins and minerals that I'm not getting from my other food and my meals. And for me, that is the perfect combination.
- 29:07 – 34:05
PTSD, dealing mentally with what happened
- SBSteven Bartlett
Did you have PT-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... PTSD? I think I read that somewhere that you had that kind of-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. So it was like ... (laughs) Um, so like I said, I wasn't facing it for ages, and then, like a year later, or like 18 months later, yeah, just started feeling, like, awful, like, really anxious, like, all the time, and, like, just super, like, depressed. But at the time, I didn't know it was that. I just felt really weird. I was like, "What the hell is wrong with me?" Couldn't even, like, go for, like, dinner with my friends without, like, wanting to, like, desperately leave and, like, feeling, like, so uncomfortable. Like, I c- like, my safe place was, like, at my home. I just wanted to be at home. Became, like, a bit of an introvert 'cause I didn't wanna do anything. It massively affected my work in terms of I just couldn't face going to any kind of, like, meetings or anything, doing any kind of work. It would, like ... For me to do that, I'd literally have to, like ... Or I was, like, going through hell just to do, like, just to go to, like, a meeting or something. I had no idea what it was. And I was very quiet about it. I never, like, spoke to anyone, which was obviously making it worse. And then-
- SBSteven Bartlett
How did it feel though, in terms of ... It was, like, it felt like a lack of motivation, or it felt like-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. It was just like I didn't want to do anything. I didn't wanna have to face doing those things. I, I ... Basically now, looking back on it, I had, like, a complete loss of confidence. I kind of felt like, oh, I wasn't-... good enough to do any of these things. I was like a shell of, like, my former self. Like I said before, I had, like, nothing. I was so excited to do that show. I was kind of going in there to win it and everything. Whereas now, at that point, if they asked me, oh, my God. Even if I hadn't been on it, type thing, before by myself, but at the same ... If they asked me, I'd have probably had to be like, "I don't think I can do it." Because I don't think I had, had it in me to kind of push through. And then, yeah, eventually my friends kind of clocked on like, "Okay, something's really wrong." And I think they kind of knew what it was. My brother's been through it before, like really badly before me. And it was, like, him and a few others. And they just went like, yeah, like, ooh. Sat me down, and yeah, I just kind of like, it's like opened up to everyone.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What did they notice?
- JMJack Maynard
I was just, like, not myself. Like I said, I was ... Like, one of the m- one of the main ones I remember was at my friend Josh's birthday, and I had this thing of like, because I knew I would always want to, like, not go and leave these, like, events or dinners or whatever. I'd go early, usually like 20 minutes early so I could kind of get there, so I could sit at the table (laughs) and just like ca- calm down, type thing. It was, it was essentially like, uh, I was having like an anxiety attack pretty much, like w- once I got there when I was on the way. So I'd get there and I'd kind of get past it, and then, like, get on with my night, type thing, and hopefully feel a bit better. But most of the time I'd get there and I'd leave before, and I'd just text them some weird excuse. "Oh, I've got to do this. Oh, this has come up, sorry. I've got to go home." Or I'd pretend like I never went. I'd be like, "Oh yeah, no. I'm just not feeling great, not gonna come." So they were just like, "What the hell is going on?" Like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
And Jack, were you jungle?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Would not-
- JMJack Maynard
Oh, no. Like, no way. I was like the life of the party in a way (laughs) kind of thing. I was up for doing everything and anything. You could like ... Couldn't stop me, type thing.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm. So take me back to the intervention. You said your friends had like-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... messaged you and sat you down. Your brother had messaged you.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, yeah. So I, you know, kind of explained it, uh, all of them again. I still kept it, like, pretty close friends and my manager, because she needed to understand. I didn't want to have to keep lying, basically. I don't know. She- I think 'cause she's been in the industry, I think she probably knew-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
... what it was as well. It's very common. And, and this is what I realized when I spoke to my friends, 'cause they were just like, basically, yeah, like, you know, "It's very, like, normal. Everyone, like, has it." Because at the time, as I said, I knew my brother had it before.
- SBSteven Bartlett
What's it?
- JMJack Maynard
Just like anxiety, like depression, like everything. But I didn't ... Yeah, I just didn't wanna accept those things.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
And I didn't understand. I didn't, I hadn't really done any research. I didn't really understand. And when I spoke to my friends, I then, yeah, understood what it was. And although everyone's is very different from different things, and, and it's caused by different things, like different triggers or whatever, it was also like very much the same. People deal with it in different ways, of course, but it is, it's like the same, like, feeling-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
... and, like, overwhelming feeling and stuff. So when they kind of explained that, you know, they all had it, and ... My brother was, like, really good with it 'cause as I said, he, he'd had that anxiety, like, really bad. Had, but he still, like, he still does. And I still do. I don't, you don't, it doesn't just disappear. But you learn to, to deal with it. And yeah, just having that conversation, as like cliché as it sounds, just talking to people about it made me feel so much better. Like, unexplainably better. So, uh ...
- SBSteven Bartlett
And then SAS?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. And then there was just, like, kind of a gap between of, like, nothing. Just kind of same old. Probably doing a bit more work, but at the same time, still wasn't feeling great. But I think it had kind of, like, calmed down a bit, and I'd figured out little ways to deal with it.
- 34:05 – 44:53
Deciding to get help
- JMJack Maynard
And then, yeah, SAS-
- SBSteven Bartlett
So tell me about that.
- JMJack Maynard
... like wanted me. That was like a-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Which channel's that? It's-
- JMJack Maynard
Uh, Channel 4.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Channel 4 call you, and they say-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... "Jack-"
- JMJack Maynard
They want Jack to do-
- SBSteven Bartlett
"... you're up."
- JMJack Maynard
... SAS. I hadn't done any TV since ...
- SBSteven Bartlett
When you find out, how do you feel?
- JMJack Maynard
I was, like, terrified. But I think I would've anyway because, like, SAS is a ... It's crazy.
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
It's something that is like the craziest show.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd probably say it's the hardest show there is.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Well, (laughs) yeah. It should be as well.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. It is the hardest show there is to do, so I was just ... I remember thinking like, "Why do I always get these, like, really hard shows?"
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- JMJack Maynard
"Why can't I just ... Go on, like, Celeb Juice or something like that?" (laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs)
- JMJack Maynard
"It's no way I've gotta sit there for the evening." But I was like, "Okay, what the hell am I gonna do here?" Because I just know in the back of my head, I'm th- I'm saying yes to all these things. I'm just like, "Do you want me to do it?" I'm like, "Yes. Why not?" And you know, they explained it to me as, you know, they were pretty black and white about it. Like, "This wants this to be, like, his big TV comeback," and all of this. And I knew that was gonna be, um, a massive part of my storyline. I was like, "Oh, God." 'Cause I know I'm gonna say yes to do this, and I'm g- I'm gonna wanna not do it. I don't wanna do it, but you can't turn down something like this. You can't turn down a show that big. So obviously I've said yes, and I'm going through with it. And then, yeah, it kinda gets to the point where, like, my anxiety and everything, and like my panic is like, I mean, the worst it's ever been. I didn't even wanna leave my house. And just, yeah, straight away, my manager's just like, "I think it's time to see a therapist."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Where was this in terms of the run up to the show?
- JMJack Maynard
Um-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Where it got the worst it's ever been.
- JMJack Maynard
I'd say, like, two months before.
- SBSteven Bartlett
The show started filming?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. Filmed in, like, November.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Okay.
- 44:53 – 51:44
SAS: Who Dares Wins
- JMJack Maynard
the night before, so I got there, I got to Scotland. And, like, the morning of, I tried to, like, pull out. They took my... Again, when we got there, they took our phones off because we basically, like, you know, just can't... We see everyone who's on the show. (laughs) So, we can't text people, "Oh, guess who's in the show," and then they, like, leak the stories or whatever. You're like, "I need my phone." It doesn't go out until May, but I was like, "I kind of need, like-" "I can quit." (laughs) Yeah. "I need..." (laughs) Like, "I need my phone so I can call my manager and tell her I'm not doing it." (laughs) Like, that's literally what it was. And the best thing that's happened, th- that they took my phone. Other wise, I would've called out. I guarantee it. But, um, they had, like, therapists on the show that I would, like, I'd spoken to quite a bit before, and I was very open with them, and they kind of knew... I mean, everyone going on there definitely had their struggles, and they had their, their battles. And I'm not saying mine's worse than, than anyone's, but I was definitely, like, very, like, vocal about mine and was... Not saying it's worse than anyone else's, but I was like, "This is the worst it's ever been for me." Mm-hmm. Like, "This is the worst I've ever been, so prepare, (laughs) prepare yourselves- (laughs) ... for, for me to be, like, a nightmare." And yeah, like I said, I did not... I, I... People say like, "Oh, I didn't get a second of sleep the night before." I literally didn't. I just sat there, like, staring at the TV- Really? ... like, freaking, freaking out. And I was just like, "What the hell am I gonna do?" And I knew we had to leave at, like, 9:00. They, like, knocked on my door. They were like, "Oh, Jack." They're like, "Are you ready?" I was not ready. (laughs) Okay. Was trying to leave already. I was like, at least 10 times. Like, I felt like crying. I was, like, so emotional. I was, like, all over the place. It was like really. I'd never been, like, so bad. It was really weird. I felt, like, very, like, uncontrollable. And I was like, "Can I use your phone? I think I need to speak to the, like, therapist guy." I was on the phone to him for around two hours. I del- I pushed back the whole first day of filming (laughs) - Really? ... so much. But they were, like, like, amazing. They were honestly, like, so good because look, realistically, I think they knew I wanted to do it. I probably was gonna do it, but I was having a serious moment. They also knew that my mental health was in, like, a really bad place at the time. They were amazingly understanding and kind of patient with me. And, um, yeah, there was this kind of one, one woman there who was like, maybe the exec or, like, a producer, maybe the exec producer, but she was, like, my go-to, my go-to girl. And she made me do it because like I said, I spoke to the therapist for ages, and I was still a bit like, "Oh, God." She gave me that very good thing of like, you know, one step at a time. It's like, "Get ready, go downstairs, see how you feel. Next step, you know, you're ready, why don't you just get in the car and get to the location and see how you feel?" And, like, and it was like, that was like, again, they were like words of wisdom to me at that point. (laughs) So, I was like, "I'm not gonna be able to do it," 'cause I'm just thinking to the end of the show. Of course. I'm like, "How the hell am I gonna do seven days?" Like a mountain. Like, no way. Yeah. So, he was like, you know, it was like one step at a time. Breaking it down. Like, break it down and that helped me so much. And then yeah, I was just kind of with her and... And it's such good advice, I think- Yeah. ... for anybody that's listening that... Yeah, I mean, pretty much in all facets of life- Mm-hmm. ... whether you're trying to achieve something great or you're trying to overcome fear- Yeah. ... breaking it down to the, into smaller, manageable pieces makes it- Absolutely. Yeah. It was, like, a game changer for me. How did they say that? Like, those simple- Yeah, simple words. ... those simple words. Just, but it just helps you think in a different way. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. I was just kind of talking to them, talking to her, and I definitely, like I said, like, calmed down. I was just like, "Hey, do you know what? Yeah. Obviously, do it, Jack." And I did want to do it. I was like, "These things just, this show's crazy. I wanna give it a go." Like, you know- Mm-hmm. ... that piece of me is still in me like, "Oh, I wish I..." It was more like, "Oh, I wish I still had it in me to, to kind of do that." But I was like, "Right. Let's go," and, and yeah, just kind of got on with it. Had, like, very highs and lows in there.Every time we finished a task, I'd feel literally, like, on top of the world. Like everyone in there, you know-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
... you just accomplished something I never thought I would be able to do, especially, like, with how I was feeling. Then when we're kind of going to a task, that's when I'd have the thing of, "Oh, I'm gonna... I wanna pull out. I wanna, like, leave." And that... In the show, you... That's the kind of point you pull out when you've kind of reached your, you know, your limit. And for me, definitely for me, a bigger part... Although physically, I mean, it was just hell. Like, it was hell.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
I got, like, so hurt doing it, (laughs) like, everywhere.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
But for me, it was definitely a way bigger mental battle, and I think probably everyone in there would say the same. Because it's... You are thinking, "I don't need to do this." (laughs) It doesn't make any-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
If I get to the end or not doesn't actually really make a difference to me. I really hit my limit about, God, was I four days in? I think it was, like, a seven-day thing. It was, like, the fourth day. Mentally, I was, like, drained, but also I was, like, so physically hurt, and I had, like, one injury that was, like, really annoying me. But... And I remember thinking, "Yeah, cool. I'm gonna get to tomorrow and see how I feel," if it, like, still really hurts. As in I was, like, at a point where I couldn't, like, run.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
It was more like a fast limp. Like, "Oh."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
And we got, like, halfway through that day, and we just played a game called Murderball, which you can imagine is really fun-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah. (laughs)
- JMJack Maynard
... which involves being, like, rugby tackled by Tony Bellew-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Nice.
- JMJack Maynard
... and stuff like that. So-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Oof.
- JMJack Maynard
After that, I was like, "I'm done." (laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
But the thing that, like, made me, like, a lot happy about it, one, I got further than I ever thought... Especially the days before it, further than I ever thought I'd go. Like, I never thought in a million years of- when I feel like that I could be able to achieve those kind of things. And it really showed me, like, you know, if you just commit, it's gonna make me feel so much better-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
... like, afterwards. Like, if I stick through and just persevere. And then at the same time, I was like, "Well, I've left after, like, completing something." So it was kind of like a... It was like a good sign off for me. I didn't get something and be like, "Uh, no, thanks-"
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
"... I'm gonna go." So, like, I kind of... I was like, "Look, I'm just gonna do this one, tick this off, and then, yeah, it's probably time to go," because I could l- feel like I was gonna, like, die now. (laughs) Like, everything's in so much pain.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
And I was just, like, yeah, I mean, beyond exhausted, so...
- SBSteven Bartlett
And you could be proud of yourself at that point, right? Is what you mean.
- JMJack Maynard
Oh, honestly, like, I was so happy with how far I got. It was like a, you know, kinda had to be there moment when you're going through all that to understand how hard it is to do that for that long. But, like, two people get to the end. Two people got to the end of the show. So I was like... I think, yeah, I was so happy with how far I got, and that really made me-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- 51:44 – 53:08
Your mental health now
- SBSteven Bartlett
button. Where are you at now in your life in terms of career, in terms of your mental health, in terms of your personal situations?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, like, mental health, I feel pretty good. Like, right now, I definitely have my days... Like, about a month ago, I had, like, a weird week where I was, like, trying to help a friend who was going through it, and they... But they... Well, who had just finally started talking about it and didn't know what was going on. And I was just explaining how it was with me, and it was like... That was the first time I spoke about it in, like, quite a while, so it just kind of made me... It just brings it all to... It just, yeah, brings it to the surface. So, it made me feel a bit, like, funny-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
... for a few days. But, like, to be honest with you, I think, like I said, a lot of my problems were when I was going to things and trying-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
... to do something where I felt really, like, uncomfortable, kinda out of your comfort zone, whereas this kind of a lockdown, you just have to be at home a lot. So, I do definitely feel, like, comfortable, and I think it's been quite good for my mental health. And now, when I have the days where I go out and I've got, like, you know, a day of, like, work or something, I've got to go and do loads of things, I'm really happy to kind of be out-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Sure.
- JMJack Maynard
... and stuff. So, it's kind of... Like, yeah, I think it's, again-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Were you nervous about coming here?
- JMJack Maynard
... not.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You kind of alluded to that.
- JMJack Maynard
No, I wasn't. Do you know what? I was nervous that I was gonna get nervous about coming here.
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Oh.
- JMJack Maynard
So when it came to it, I was like, "Oh, I don't want to get to the day and be like-"
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
"... Ah, I don't... I, yeah, I'm, I feel a bit, like, weird."
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
And in fact, yeah. I feel, like, honestly, completely fine. And like I said, I'd have... You probably heard (laughs) -
- SBSteven Bartlett
No, yeah, would have worried. ... if I didn't, I didn't feel great (laughs) .
- JMJack Maynard
You well, not.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah
- 53:08 – 56:23
Your relationship
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) . So you... I hear, talking about lockdown, I heard you-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... um, you'd gotten a little bit of relationship over lockdown, which is, um-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... seems-
- JMJack Maynard
A lot of a relationship.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah. We were talking about-
- JMJack Maynard
(laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
... this before we started recording.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You've been with your girlfriend now eight months. How is that going? It's never easy to-
- JMJack Maynard
It's going incredibly well.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... to have a lockdown relationship, but...
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, it's definitely not, like, easy having a lockdown relationship, but we also don't know any- anything else 'cause we met, like, the beginning of last year. Well, 'cause we were neighbors basically.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
We were, like, our apartments, doors opposite each other. And I moved in, like, the first week of March last year, so that's kind of, like, how we met. And she had a dog, so there was lots of dog walk dates basically (laughs) .
- SBSteven Bartlett
An excuse.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah (laughs) .
- SBSteven Bartlett
Was it, was it difficult dating when you were, um, really in your stride with YouTube and you had, like... I imagine people were stopping you a lot-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... and stuff like that, and when you had the, you know, the stuff on TV.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, I didn't really date then, to be honest with you because I had, like... There was, like, two things. One, I had in my head of, like, you know, I'm just so, like, focused on what I'm doing right now, and I, I didn't purposely not... But I w- I didn't put much effort into... You know, it wasn't really one of my priorities whatsoever, and I was just having... You know, I was enjoying... I was, like, just living life. I was having so much fun.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
And, like, all of my friends were single as well, so it just-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
... I don't know. It just didn't happen whatsoever. There was no need for me to do that. But also, my brother got a girlfriend in his prime of, like, his, his career.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Yeah.
- JMJack Maynard
And I think he'd, you know, be the first to say that it... And I'm not saying this is for everyone at all, but my experience is that, like, kind of-... held him back, not in terms of she held him back, but, you know, just having a girlfriend, you have different priorities and different focuses and stuff. They're focusing on their life. Yeah, so I just, like, didn't have any real intentions, but-
- SBSteven Bartlett
What- what's been the upside of having a partner?
- JMJack Maynard
Um-
- 56:23 – 58:11
Why wouldn't someone want to be you
- SBSteven Bartlett
Why wouldn't someone want to be you?
- JMJack Maynard
Um, I think the main one I'd probably say is there's, like, a lot of pressure, like, but I'm the one putting that pressure on myself. No one's putting pressure on me, but it's just a lot of, like, self-pressure. Like, I'm in control of, like, everything. I'm, like you said, it's the diary of, like, CEO. I'm, like, my own boss. I'm in control of everything I do. I'm in control of all my finances, like, what comes in, like, what goes out. It's all just kind of on me. So if I stop, you know, it all stops. If I work my hardest, then, you know, hopefully it kind of pays off. So it's just a lot of, a lot of pressure in terms of, you know, wanting to keep going and, like, also expand, like, taking, like, every opportunity you can get. That's why, you know, I went from YouTube, and then I did radio, and then I was like, "Oh, I wanna break that barrier to TV." And then I started DJing and doing, like, music and going on tour and all these things. It was, like, just grabbing every opportunity I can to kind of grow as much as I possibly can. But it's, like, exhausting. It definitely takes a toll. And, yet, sometimes you do need to kind of step back. But also, like I said, if I stop, kind of everything stops, so taking a step back is like...
- SBSteven Bartlett
Not possible.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, it's a bit of a risk.
- SBSteven Bartlett
That carpen- was it carpentry-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... job you had when you were 16?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah. (laughs)
- SBSteven Bartlett
Do sometimes you wish maybe... (laughs)
- JMJack Maynard
Sometimes I think, I'm like, yeah, 'cause, you know, my dad does fine for himself. He's had three kids, and we've all turned out, like, fine, and we've all done well for ourselves. Sometimes I feel like I would be so much happier, but at the same time, I'm like, oh my God. Like, when I look back at some of the things I've done in my life, I'm like, "That's amazing." Like-
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
I'm, like, so proud of myself for some of the things I've done. In the moment, it felt pretty cool. But when I look back on it, I'm like, "That was, like, huge."
- SBSteven Bartlett
And you're still so young.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, I'm 20 just about, yeah, 26.
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Whats next?
- JMJack Maynard
- SBSteven Bartlett
Taking all the pressure off, and I don't wanna apply extra pressure here, but when you look forward at your, the next, I don't know, 20 years of your life, how in your mind do you see that kind of playing out? I don't mean like, "I'm gonna be doing this exact thing."
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
But I mean, like, what are you looking for from life?
- JMJack Maynard
Um, I think I'm looking, like, being completely honest with you, it's kind of like probably looking more into, like, businesses and, like, business and having, like I said, I've got my own, like, production company right now that's doing probably way better than I thought it was gonna be doing at this point, which is good. So, like, things like that, just growing it as much as I can and, you know, kind of the classic, I wanna be, like, a boss and across so many things.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
Not that I'm not working, but, you know?
- SBSteven Bartlett
Mm-hmm.
- JMJack Maynard
It's not like I've got a nine-to-five type thing.
- SBSteven Bartlett
For sure.
- JMJack Maynard
So it's kind of, like, like I was doing YouTube, 'cause I, ha, could kind of do whatever I wanted with my days, but I knew I had to do, like, X amount of things, and, and, you know, I'm still making, like, my money and everything like that. And I think, yeah, you know, I look at, I'm probably not gonna be 30 years old making, like, these kind of YouTube videos anyway. Who knows? But...
- SBSteven Bartlett
(laughs) Might be a niche for that.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, yeah. (laughs) So it's, like, realistically, I look at my life probably, like, trying to go into, into that kind of direction, just building something else.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next.
- JMJack Maynard
Thank you.
- SBSteven Bartlett
I'm, um, I'm gonna be watching very, very closely now that I stalk you on social media, so...
- JMJack Maynard
(laughs) Appreciate it.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And I think, like, you, as I say, you're, like, super young, but you have such a wealth of experience from everything you've been through.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And I don't think, you know, sometimes we don't realize how, how valuable some of that experience has been until, until later in life.
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
And in fact, I still think about my hardest ever moments starting in business as a young guy-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
... as being my, um, m- some of my most traumatic moments as being my most valuable because they, like-
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You have something that no one else has, right?
- JMJack Maynard
Yeah, absolutely.
- SBSteven Bartlett
You know, and you have experiences. Thank you so much for coming today.
- JMJack Maynard
Thank you for having me.
- SBSteven Bartlett
Your story is riveting and, um-
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