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Mia Khalifa Opens Up About The Dark Side Of The Adult Entertainment Industry | E248

In this new episode Steven sits down with the Lebanese-American media personality, Sarah Joe Chamoun. Topics: 0:00 Intro 03:00 Most defining moments 07:14 Lacking confidence 15:50 Getting married 18 22:23 Therapy 27:34 Being alone 30:08 Leaving the adult industry 34:00 Anxiety 36:25 The adult industry having control over you 47:33 Depression 50:07 How did your life change 55:37 TikTok 57:30 Relationships 58:59 Your businesses 01:00:17 Ingredients for a happy life 01:01:07 Who are you? 01:03:43 The last guest’s question Follow Mia: Instagram: https://bit.ly/438alxX Twitter: https://bit.ly/42MroWs You can follow Sarah’s Demi and fine-body jewellery brand, Sheytan, launching June 2023, here: https://bit.ly/3OjEVAr My new book! 'The 33 Laws Of Business & Life' per order link: https://smarturl.it/DOACbook Join this channel to get access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Dpmgx5 Follow me:  Instagram: http://bit.ly/3nIkGAZ Twitter: http://bit.ly/3ztHuHm Linkedin: https://bit.ly/41Fl95Q Telegram: http://bit.ly/3nJYxST Sponsors:  Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb Whoop: http://bit.ly/3MbapaY AirBnB: http://bit.ly/40TcyNr

Sarah Joe Chamoun (Mia Khalifa)guestSteven Bartletthost
May 18, 20231h 7mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 3:00

    Intro

    1. SK

      I, I couldn't scream loud enough. There's nothing I could do to make it go away or to make them stop. I, I didn't ...

    2. SB

      Are you okay talking about this?

    3. SK

      Um. Can we take a break? Mia Khalifa. Mia Khalifa. Mia Khalifa. Mia Khalifa. I'm Sarah. I'm Sarah f-ing Joe. Sarah Joe. The former adult film star ...

    4. SB

      Now business owner and social media activist.

    5. SK

      With over 50 million followers.

    6. SB

      Where should this story start?

    7. SK

      I lived through a lot of conflict in Lebanon, and then I moved to America, and I was bullied for being Middle Eastern. It was around the time of 9/11. That was pretty difficult. Made a lot of choices that I can't take back.

    8. SB

      Your husband, when you're 18 years old, is encouraging you towards the adult entertainment industry. What did they stand to gain from that?

    9. SK

      Fetishization. I fucked up, because I signed a contract that says, "In perpetuity," on it. Do you know how dangerous and predatory that is?

    10. SB

      When, when was your anxiety at its highest?

    11. SK

      The company going after me publicly. The major production companies prey on vulnerable young women. Didn't shower, didn't brush my teeth, didn't eat, didn't leave my bed. It's following me for the rest of my life, but I am not the sum of the things I've been through or the adversities I've faced.

    12. SB

      For people that are really struggling, how did you get out of that phase? I have some breaking news. And th- no, this is an emergency. I've spent the last two years writing a book, and I've written 33 laws for business, marketing, and life that I derived from all of these conversations I've had here. I traveled the world to write this book. I interviewed some of the most incredible people. I did six months of an- extensive research on scientific studies and principles to corroborate everything that I wrote into these 33 laws. And ladies and gentlemen, that book called The Diary of a CEO: The 33 Laws for Business, Marketing, and Life is now available for pre-order, and there are 5,000, only 5,000, signed copies, and it's first come first serve. The link is in the bio right now, so if you want that book... Honestly, it's the best book I've ever written. It's the book I always should've written. It's the book I also wish someone had written for me when I was starting out in my career. I'm really proud of it. I'm really, really proud of it. Really, really proud of it. And I can't wait for all of you to get to read it. It's out in August. I couldn't be more excited about this, as you can probably tell. I don't know what to sa- to say other than the words I've said to emphasize my excitement 'cause I think it's important, and I think it's really valuable. Um, link in the description. Where

  2. 3:00 – 7:14

    Most defining moments

    1. SB

      should this story start? Where, where should, where does your story start? What is the most sort of pertinent moment that you recall from your memory that has shaped the woman that is sat in front of me today?

    2. SK

      It honestly feels like the last year or two. That's, that's where, that's where my life started, and where I should start, because the woman that's in front of you right now has been a work in progress and is still a work in progress. And I feel like I've been my m- like, my most authentic and purest form of myself in the past year or two. Like, the closer to today we get, the more secure I feel in who I am and who that person is. But obviously there was a lot of other things that happened to get me to this point, but t- yeah, to answer that question, like a year or two.

    3. SB

      Let's start at the end then-

    4. SK

      Mm-hmm.

    5. SB

      ... um, which is today.

    6. SK

      Yeah.

    7. SB

      Why? Why the closer we are to today the more authentic you feel to yourself? Why?

    8. SK

      I'm, I'm going after the things I actually want, and I'm growing into my confidence. And the self-assurance that I've gained from, from doing the things I love and accomplishing my goals has formed who I am, and it feels really good, and it feels very validating. And it's just... It, it's never clicked before, and they always say, like, "Oh, the con- confidence is the key to everything. Confidence will unlock everything for you." And I never really understood that because it's like, okay, where the fuck does the confidence come from? How do you just simply get confident? And, um, I have grown to realize that confidence comes from just accomplishing things that you wanna accomplish and being proud of yourself. And that pride makes you feel confident. Like, I, I, I feel confident even when I mess up now, whereas if I messed up five, six, ten years ago it would send me into a pit of shame, um, a really unhealthy just downward spiral that would get me nowhere.

    9. SB

      Did you ever imagine being here? Did you ever imagine being in the state you currently are today, happiness, confidence, et cetera, et cetera? And I don't wanna put words in your mouth right now in terms of the word happiness, but, uh, y- the place you are today, in the re- over the last ten year- did you imagine you would get to this point or did this seem unimaginable?

    10. SK

      It seemed unimaginable for a while, but my mental health was also not as strong as it is today. Um, there was, there was a lot of periods in my life where I couldn't see past 48 hours, let alone 10 years. It was very day-to-day for a while, and I think that's why I'm so confident 'cause n- right now, if you ask me what I can see in 10 years, I feel like I can answer that. I know what I want. I know what my goals are, and what I want to accomplish so-... yeah. Even in interviews five years ago, when they would ask me, "Where do you see yourself in five years?" I would always say, "I have no fucking clue. I don't know where I see myself next week."

    11. SB

      And what changed?

    12. SK

      Taking risks, honestly. Um, just taking a few risks here and there and seeing them play out for the better and learning from my mistakes and learning what I want and saying no to a lot of things to get to what I want, like job opportunities and- and things that didn't really align with what I thought I wanted in a year or two or five years or even 10 years as, like, my confidence started to grow and I started to actually see life plans for myself. Um, taking- taking risks and walking away from those risks, either having them play out for the better or, um, learning from the mistakes and learning, oh, this didn't work. This is what I need to do next time. Oh, this didn't work. I crossed my own... I- I- I crossed a boundary of mine and now I don't feel good. Now I know this is past where I should be pushing myself. Um, a lot of trial and error.

  3. 7:14 – 15:50

    Lacking confidence

    1. SK

    2. SB

      Confidence. Confidence is a through line throughout your story. Um, take me back to your earliest memories of lacking in confidence.

    3. SK

      Yeah.

    4. SB

      And wh- 'cause I- you know, I came to this country from Botswana in Africa when I was a young- young boy, and I struggled... I think we both struggled with, um, being accepted by the culture we had arrived in. Me in Plymouth, only Black kid, curly hair, trying to figure out why my hair's not straight, relaxing it chemically all the time, um, why we're the only Black family in this all-white school, et cetera, et cetera. And then that battle with, like, the lack of enough-ness, not feeling like I was enough and what I did to- to try and make myself feel like I was enough. But take me back to your story at the earliest moment where you struggled with, um, not feeling like you were enough or confident enough.

    5. SK

      I mean, it does... It's not even coming to America. It's being in Lebanon. There was colorism there. I was the darkest one in my family. There was colorism at the school that I was at. Um, I felt like a bit of an outsider because I was darker than what the beauty standard for a Lebanese girl is, which is light ha- light ski- light- lighter skin, olive undertones, dark hair, green eyes. Like, that's the epitome of a beautiful woman in Lebanon. Um, and then I moved to America, and that just got... It went to the extreme side of that. I was definitely one of the darkest kids. I was bullied for being Middle Eastern. It was around the time of 9/11. That was pretty difficult, um, especially since it was in Washington DC, and Washington DC was heavily impacted by 9/11. Um, the Pentagon was hit. New York is not that far from us. It's about four hours. Like, so many people in my school either had family and parents that worked at the Pentagon. It was a lot of bullying that then turned into internalized racism, and all I wanted to do from then forward, like you said, you wanted to relax your hair, you wanted to... Y- y- you wanted to assimilate and fit in. I also wanted the same thing, and I just held that in, and it- it turned into internalized racism.

    6. SB

      Ho- how did that go for you? Because I- I often reflect, and I'm... I think it's taken me time to look back o- in hindsight and realize what I was feeling, versus in the moment, you're kind of just in a state of, like, defense. It's like, "How do I get through today? How do I get these people to like me?" Versus, uh, you know, and I look back and think, "No, man, you had so much shame. Like, you were carrying around shame and insecurity." Um, how did that girl at that time... So, you... How old are you at this point? Seven, 10, 11?

    7. SK

      Um, eight, nine.

    8. SB

      Eight, nine, okay. And h- h- how, how... Were you aware of your feelings, I guess is the question in part?

    9. SK

      Yeah.

    10. SB

      Yeah?

    11. SK

      Yeah, very much so. I think, I think... Yeah, I've always been an introvert and, um, very aware of- of what I was going through and angsty and even, like, going into my teen years, I've always been aware of the fact that I... What I was feeling is shame or what I was feeling is, um... I'm not feeling like I'm enough. I feel like I... Yes, I've- I've al- I've always been aware of that feeling. It... There was also confusion with it, but I think self-awareness has been prevalent the whole time.

    12. SB

      What was your relationship like with yourself in those t- teen years?

    13. SK

      I was very hard on myself. Um, I was very angry at myself for not fitting in and for not being a certain way. And, um, yeah, just... I did not like myself. I didn't like the reflection in the mirror, and me not liking the reflection in the mirror obviously affected my confidence, my self-esteem, everything. So, in turn, I also didn't like the choices that I was making, which made me not only hate the reflection, but hate the person that I was with at the end of the day.

    14. SB

      The choices you were making?

    15. SK

      Yeah. Um, I think insecurity leads you to... Leads you to do things for validation that you otherwise wouldn't if you were secure in yourself or if you respected yourself or if you loved yourself.

    16. SB

      Like relationship choices, c-

    17. SK

      Relationship choices, um, lifestyle choices, e- anything. Anything.

    18. SB

      What- what- what are some of those... So- so, uh, in the context of relationships, from doing this conversation with multiple people, I've- I've started to sort of piece thoughts together around... If your self-esteem is lacking, you might become a people pleaser-

    19. SK

      Yeah.

    20. SB

      ... in- in your prof- in your work. So you might, you know, be exploited by your work and you might not get what you deserve in your job. Is there anything else that, uh, you've seen as a symptom or a consequence of having s- r- real low self-esteem?... that people might be able to relate to. Like, for you, what-

    21. SK

      So much.

    22. SB

      Yeah.

    23. SK

      It's such a broad spectrum, because you can either turn into a people pleaser, or you can turn into an insufferable c-. A people pleaser, on the surface level, everyone loves a people pleaser. They, they want to please everybody.

    24. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    25. SK

      But the downside of a people pleaser is they want to please everybody. They have no boundaries with themselves or with other people. They don't respect their own boundaries. They don't respect others' boundaries. If they're people pleasing person A and what person B wants goes against what person A wants, they will find a way to please both of them. So, a people pleaser also turns into someone who lies, someone who deceive, someone who is a habitual boundary crosser with themselves and with other people. Like, it's, there's, there's a spectrum to it. I would say I was definitely a people pleaser. I also sought validation from, from people whose, looking back on it now, whose opinion I probably shouldn't have respected back then, let alone today. Um, so that is, that was a, that was a downside. Um, made a lot of choices that I, that I can't take back, porn being one of the biggest ones, but I feel like that wasn't even the first one. The first one was getting into a relationship that I never should've been in with someone who was v- extremely abusive, extremely dangerous in the sense that w- looking back on it and, and having the self-awareness and, and being able to call it what it was, is grooming. It was, it was, it was just a relationship that I feel like a lot of girls get into when they're in their late teens.

    26. SB

      Why, why does that happen?

    27. SK

      What do you mean?

    28. SB

      How, this re- getting into a relationship w- when you're roughly 18 years old, wasn't it? It-

    29. SK

      The relationship started when I was 16.

    30. SB

      Okay.

  4. 15:50 – 22:23

    Getting married 18

    1. SK

    2. SB

      You got married at 18.

    3. SK

      Yeah.

    4. SB

      Even that is uncommon, to say the least.

    5. SK

      Yeah. (laughs)

    6. SB

      (laughs) Um-

    7. SK

      Do not recommend it.

    8. SB

      H- u- so, when you say that this, this, you know, this person clearly took advantage of s- several things that were present and new, whether that was low self- esteem or, um, you know, just general, uh, inexperience and naivety of being a, a young, a young woman, um, which direction in life did they push you in- towards? Did they push you towards b- becoming a, a really good partner to them? Or did they put you, push you in a professional direction? Or was it, did they pull you towards thems- themselves?

    9. SK

      Yeah, it was... There, there wa- there was no encouragement. There was no pushing towards anything. It was an extremely unhealthy relationship, and I, I even feel weird calling it a relationship, because the dynamic wasn't one of a relationship. It was more one of someone who saw a toy to play with. Um, they were... Their... The industry they were in is probably not the one that you're thinking of. They were in the army. (laughs) So, it wasn't even... It had nothing to do with the porn industry, but it also had everything to do with it. They were the ones who kind of put that whole world in front of me and encouraged it, and-

    10. SB

      They encouraged it?

    11. SK

      Oh, very much so.

    12. SB

      Uh, your, your husband?

    13. SK

      Yeah.

    14. SB

      I struggle to understand this. How, h- so your husband, when you're 18 years old, is encouraging you towards the adult entertainment industry?

    15. SK

      It started off as just online. But then eventually, yeah, when, when I was asked to, to... I was given, I was given a business card and told to think about it. I went home. I laughed it off, and the consensus was, "You should do it. I think it would be great." That's what I mean.

    16. SB

      Okay, so you're, um... I read the story. You were out, out at lunch somewhere. Someone, a guy walks up to you when you're, how old?

    17. SK

      20.

    18. SB

      And gives you a business card and says, "If you ever wanna consider getting into the adult entertainment industry, here's my number." You take that home. I was wondering this when I read a- read about that part of your story. Um-What happened post-bus- that business card? You know, because I was, I think when she was married, so, you know, I've got a partner. My, my girlfriend comes home and says, "A man's come up to me in the street and given me a card and made me an offer like that." Um, my, I'm gonna be honest, my natural disposition would be to, like, fucking burn the card.

    19. SK

      Yeah.

    20. SB

      Like-

    21. SK

      Well, they were also unhealthy, had mental health issues that I don't know if they've ever addressed. But it's a sickness. And they were not the right p- what... The whole point of this is when your relationship with yourself isn't right, you are not going to find the right person. You're not going to choose the right person. You're not gonna choose someone who wants the best for you or will bring the best out of you, because you don't want that for yourself.

    22. SB

      What, what were they getting out of it, you doing that, you accepting the invitation from that business card? What did they stand to gain from that?

    23. SK

      Fetishization.

    24. SB

      Really? That was it?

    25. SK

      Yeah.

    26. SB

      So there wasn't a commercial element or anything like that-

    27. SK

      No.

    28. SB

      ... for them? Do you forgive that person?

    29. SK

      No, I forgive myself.

    30. SB

      Yeah?

  5. 22:23 – 27:34

    Therapy

    1. SK

    2. SB

      Therapy. You went to therapy. That's helped you get to, to where you are today.

    3. SK

      Yeah.

    4. SB

      What role has therapy played in your life? And when did you first start going to therapy?

    5. SK

      Oh, the biggest role. 2016.

    6. SB

      Yeah.

    7. SK

      The biggest role. I don't, I mean, I'm still in therapy.

    8. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    9. SK

      I don't see myself ever stopping, really. I cycle out therapists. It's like... Yeah. I, I love it. I love, I love feeling like, "Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready for a f- fresh start. I'm ready for someone new. I'm ready for a new perspective." Um, it's, it's, it's a way to keep me grounded. Every week, I have to sit down and analyze myself, my, my thoughts, my past. Like, I have to dig down and actually come face to face with the decisions I've made, the, my ways of thinking, my, my, my relationship with myself. Like, there's accountability with therapy, and I think that's the biggest impact. I guess, accountability. Yeah.

    10. SB

      What are the, what are, when you've dug down and sought to understand yourself, um, what are some of the key takeaways you've taken from, from therapy? As it re- so, when I think about that question, if I was to, uh, be, be on the receiving end of it, one of the first things that comes to mind is actually my re- my ongoing evolution of understanding why I was so avoidant in relationships, like always running away from any woman. Even if I pursued her and then she turned and said, "Okay, let's be boyfriend and girlfriend," I would just bounce. And I had this sort of, like, toxic model of, like, what love was from my parents. But then, also all the shame and insecurities, like, "I think I'm ambitious. No, I'm being dragged by (laughs) this need to be enough." Right? So those are kind of the two, two top-line ideas that I took away from my experience with sort of introspection. Are there any, like, big picture ideas that you've taken away from therapy that were epiphany moments, connected dots?

    11. SK

      That's a loaded question-

    12. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    13. SK

      ... because I- I'm so grateful for all of the information I've learned about myself, like, like, the dots I've been able to connect, like how...... being triggered by something a friend of mine says is actually related to the way that I felt like, the way that I felt ostracized on the playground when no one wanted to play with me. And, like, one little thing, even though they didn't mean it that way or- or even had any malicious intent behind it, has then taken me back to that 12-year-old girl who just feels so alone and doesn't know what she did wrong and- and just wants to people please. And I think the best part of therapy is, within a split... Have you seen That's So Raven?

    14. SB

      No.

    15. SK

      Oh. (laughs) It's this show with Raven-Symoné on the Disney Channel when we- when we were growing up, and she has these visions. She's a psychic, and she just, like, stares off into space and then she zooms out and then she zooms back in, and no time has gone, but she saw maybe a 30-minute vision play out. Um, but she comes back and it's been, like, a split second, and that's how, that's what therapy feels like. It takes me back and I analyze that moment and I understand that that moment is not this moment, and my friend cares about me and she's not actually trying to make me feel like no one wants to play with me on the playground just because she said, "You can come if you want," and not, "I want you to come." You know what I mean?

    16. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    17. SK

      (laughs) Um, I think that's- that's the magic behind therapy. It gives you time traveling superpowers.

    18. SB

      Has it, has it changed your perception of the period of your life where you entered the adult entertainment industry? Has it, has it changed your perception, how you-

    19. SK

      Yeah.

    20. SB

      ... yeah?

    21. SK

      Yeah, absolutely. I spent so much time wondering, "Why did I do this? This is not me." I was in it for such a short amount of time, and the entire time I was doing it, I was also asking myself every day, "Why am I doing this? What is wrong with me? What is wrong with me?" That's, like, the number one question. And I know what was wrong with me. I had low self-esteem, I had no boundaries with myself, I didn't respect myself, I didn't like myself. So many things were wrong with me, and all of these things anyone can work on. It's ha- it- it is- it is hard though. It's hard. Once you become self-aware, there's no going back. I think I cried more in the first two years of being in therapy than I ever did going through anything I did in my- in- in my- in my life, in my adolescence, in my early teens, in anything.

    22. SB

      This is why a lot of people don't go to therapy.

    23. SK

      It's hard. It's hard. That self-awareness is like... I mean, it's- it's- it... N- no. And es- especially once you start realizing things about people in your life that you've kind of put rose-colored glasses on for all your life to make up excuses or to kind of change the situation in your head so that you don't actually have to face what the reality was or- or the fact that, "Wow, this is actually a really situation. This person that I love, who's supposed to support me, who's supposed to be there for me, was actually not that great." In hind- not even in hindsight. In- in 20/20 sight, in actual vision. (laughs)

    24. SB

      And the, um, the shedding that takes place when you con- you become ...

    25. SK

      Shedding, that's a great word.

    26. SB

      Good word, isn't it? It's really accurate.

    27. SK

      Yeah, that's great. That's exactly how it feels. Yeah.

    28. SB

      'Cause it means slowly letting these little pieces go. Um,

  6. 27:34 – 30:08

    Being alone

    1. SB

      what's interesting is when I read about your- your life post, uh, uh, the adult entertainment industry, which was only a couple of months anyway, all in all, um, you- you sounded incredibly isolated. So when I think about the word shedding, I think of all these people that you're letting go. But in that period, you sounded like you were alone.

    2. SK

      Yeah.

    3. SB

      I remember the story of you going to Austin and meeting your friend on Twitter, ex- all those kinds of things. Um, take me to that period, then. So you- you- you make the decision that that- that career's not for you. Um, what happens the next, you know, the next day, week, month, post- post that?

    4. SK

      Fucking loneliness. I was living in an efficiency, in-

    5. SB

      What's that?

    6. SK

      An efficiency is not even a studio. It's where this rug cuts off, to that wall. That is wider than what it was, but definitely the length. My toilet s- my- my bathroom sink was also my kitchen sink. There was no stove. There was a broken window that I had tape over, and there was only one window. It was, uh, it was like s- it was- it's a room, I think they're popular in South Florida or, like... I- I don't think you have them here, 'cause I don't think they're legal to, like, sell as living spaces.

    7. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    8. SK

      Um, very lonely. Extremely lonely. But at that point in my life, loneliness was better than what I was doing before. And that, I think, was the start of (sighs) the tiniest, tiniest, tiniest bit of confidence. That gave me the confidence to take the risk of moving to Austin and starting a new life. And I was so lonely, I was so broke, I was so lost, I was so confused, but all I was completely 100% sure of was I don't want to do porn. I've never wanted to do porn. I'm never gonna go back to that. And standing firm on my ground, in my morals, in my boundaries, in just everything, that- that was, like, the tiniest glimmer of confidence starting to grow. Standing firm in my boundaries, even if I didn't know that was a boundary. I couldn't pinpoint it, I couldn't call it that. I didn't know what it was. I didn't have the verbiage or the knowledge or the self-awareness to- to- to call it what it was. But that was how it started. I would not... I- if I- if I hadn't moved to Austin, I wouldn't have started therapy, I wouldn't have... Tha- that was the domino effect of, in a positive way, in my life.

    9. SB

      Mm-hmm.

    10. SK

      It could've gone a completely other way, and it does for so many people. And I'm so, so, so grateful that I was able to get out.

  7. 30:08 – 34:00

    Leaving the adult industry

    1. SB

      That first domino falling which took you to Austin in that- in that new direction, was there a catalyst? Was there something that pushed that domino? Because I- I noticed that in this- in this sort of timeline of events, you then, at the same time, separate from your partner around a similar time.

    2. SK

      Yeah.

    3. SB

      You- y- and then you leave the- the adult entertainment industry. Is- was there a catalyst? 'Cause those two things, those two decisions are huge decisions and they feel correlated, they feel like they're attached.

    4. SK

      I had nothing to lose, and I think that I also knew, "I need to get the fuck out of Miami."I was in Miami at the time, and it was where everything happened, and I just did not want to be there anymore. It was, it, it felt daunting. It felt like walls closing in on me everywhere I went. Um-

    5. SB

      Was there, like, a catalyst day though? Something that happens that makes you go, "Fuck, I need to..." Or was it just slowly-

    6. SK

      Yeah, it was l- it was, I mean, it was the day I met my best friend on Twitter. I had, I didn't meet her that day on Twitter. Her and I had been following each other for a while. She was, she posts memes, I like them, vice versa. Um, she, we, her and I were talking about something. Oh, she said, "I'm looking for a mo- roommate. I'm asking around the office for a roommate." And I said, "What if I moved to Austin? I don't want to live in Miami anymore." And then I started looking up, how do you move states? Like, what does it take? What does it require? What paperwork do I need for my dogs? Like, all of that stuff. And then within a month, I was packed up and moved.

    7. SB

      And was th- was there a catalyst for you deciding to leave the adult entertainment industry, even though you were there for a couple of months? Was there anything-

    8. SK

      I think, I think it was how overwhelming everything became so fast.

    9. SB

      Ah, okay.

    10. SK

      Like, that, that was the reality check. It was like, it was like a light, like, they, when they turn the lights on at the club at 4:00 in the morning. Like, whoa.

    11. SB

      Ah, okay.

    12. SK

      The floors are sticky and nothing looks the same. This is not what I signed up for, it's not what I expected. I fucked up.

    13. SB

      That's not a typical experience for an, uh, an actress-

    14. SK

      No.

    15. SB

      ... in that industry.

    16. SK

      No, not at all.

    17. SB

      That is a very atypical experience-

    18. SK

      Yeah.

    19. SB

      ... because you went from obscurity to n- to number one in an industry in, in weeks.

    20. SK

      Yeah.

    21. SB

      So, you, you got hit by a fucking truck?

    22. SK

      Yeah.

    23. SB

      Okay, that makes sense. Okay. You become a paralegal?

    24. SK

      Yeah, for a very short period of time. Like, six months.

    25. SB

      Tell me all about that.

    26. SK

      Nothing really much to say. It was for an insurance defense firm. It was pretty boring, and it was very much, like, cor- like, corporate. The insurance company that they represented was, it was GEICO. So it was, like, a very boring thing, and it was, it was just paper pushing. Um, it was really weird to work there, especially since that was my first job where I did it. Uh, I, I did the application and I went into it thinking, "This is the shift. This is, this is me putting Mia Khalifa behind me, and this is me, like, trying to be a real human." Um, did not work. Everyone in the office recognized me. It was a very uncomfortable work environment, not because, not because anyone was overtly inappropriate. It was just simply being in an office knowing anyone who walked through did a double take and was like, "Are you..." So, that was uncomfortable. Um, and then after that, I worked at a construction company, just doing bookkeeping and office work. And same thing, I would have to go on a job site, and the owner of the company just made it so I, like, I, I can't go on job sites. It was a distraction, it was not a good idea. It was, people would be, that, in that situation, people would be inappropriate sometimes. But yeah-m I, I started to feel like a burden in the offices where I was, and I hated that feeling. And I was actually sitting at that construction job in the office when I was talking to Rachel in the DMs, like, "I'm gonna move to Austin. Let's do it."

  8. 34:00 – 36:25

    Anxiety

    1. SK

    2. SB

      Anxiety.

    3. SK

      Yeah.

    4. SB

      Has that been a big part of your life for much of your life?

    5. SK

      Yes, very much so, and I think that has been prevalent from the very beginning.

    6. SB

      The very beginning, as in since you were a kid or a teenager or?

    7. SK

      Yeah, probably even in utero. I mean, my parents grew up in the civil war in Lebanon, and I lived through a lot of conflict in Lebanon, whether it be civil or the surrounding countries or whatever. But we left for a reason, and it's because it was dangerous. So I think I've always had that, like, I jump when I hear a noise. I jump when someone who's been in the room for four hours with me speaks, even though they haven't sp- because they haven't spoken in 10 minutes. Like, I get scar- like, I, I'm a jumpy person probably because of that.

    8. SB

      When, when was your anxiety at its highest?

    9. SK

      2019, 2020.

    10. SB

      Okay. So that's post-Austin?

    11. SK

      Oh, yeah, yeah. It was when-

    12. SB

      Like, three years after.

    13. SK

      It was post-everything, but it was in the midst of, uh, the porn company going after me publicly, and re-releasing things, and digging up footage that was corrupted in, in 2012, 20-, in 2013, whenever it was shot, and releasing it like it was new, and that coming back into the news cycle, and them just being extremely abusive, and exerting and proving that they still have control over me because I signed a contract that says "in perpetuity" on it.

    14. SB

      Your life had, had started to move-

    15. SK

      Oh, yeah.

    16. SB

      ... on from then and the

    17. SK

      next time I saw her. ... I was, I was married again. (laughs)

    18. SB

      You were married again, 2019. You're, where are you living at this point in time?

    19. SK

      I was living in LA.

    20. SB

      LA.

    21. SK

      Um, yeah. I was living in LA, I was doing my own thing. I was starting to figure out what it was I wanted to do and, and where I want... Like, th- thing- things were really good that year. It was, it was the year I had that little cameo in that incredible show, Ramy. Um, that was, that was really, that was a huge moment for me and I'm so grateful for that moment, and I'm so upset that that moment was, kind of, overshadowed by all of the negativity that came from, um, the, the porn company

  9. 36:25 – 47:33

    The adult industry having control over you

    1. SK

      in the subsequent months.

    2. SB

      The porn company, um, coming after you and attacking you. Not something you would expect from a company.

    3. SK

      A billion-dollar company at that.

    4. SB

      Yeah, yeah.

    5. SK

      Yeah, it goes to show you how petty and personal it is, um, because the people who are behind it aren't, aren't exactly the CEOs. It's, it's the-... bored pseudo producers who, who don't like that I'm out here talking about my experience. It, it's very much individuals, not the company. But these individuals do have the power to speak on the company's behalf.

    6. SB

      What are they threatened by?

    7. SK

      I think they're threatened by, (sighs) like you said earlier, most people in my position aren't in my position because they ... This is the outcome that the girls want who enter the industry, mo- most of them who enter the commercial porn industry, um, or the mainstream porn industry. They, they want the fame, they want the infamy, they want, they want all of that. Um, and I think for the first time, these individuals are experiencing someone who is fully aware of what was happening and is fully aware of what is and isn't ethical, and has the platform and the resources to speak on all of those things.

    8. SB

      What is your opinion of the industry now?

    9. SK

      I have a very unfavorable opinion on it. But I do think that there are ethical and unethical ways that you can support sex workers and consume porn. As, as someone who is a creator or as someone who is simply a consumer, there are ethical ways to do it. Granted, any company has its downsides. Like, even OnlyFans has trouble policing and, and regulating the people who are on their site. And the ... Every company has its downsides, but I would say that the major production porn companies are all predatory and abusive and unethical, and prey on vulnerable young women. And even me saying this, I already know that some of the responses back are gonna be from women in the industry that say, "No, it's not. No, it's not. It's great. It's fantastic, everyone is so nice. I love this company, I love working with ... I love all of this." And to be honest with you, I think that that rhetoric is grooming. I think that if you're going to enter the industry and you're going to be an advocate for it, it has to, it has to come with a caveat, and that caveat needs to be you shouldn't enter the industry unless you've already kind of been in the industry. It shouldn't be a first option for you. Like, that shouldn't be something that you simply go into because you ... Like, it ... Think about it more. Wait on it more. It, the, the age to go into the industry should not be 18. You're putting contracts in front of 18-year-old girls that have the words "in perpetuity" on them. Do you know how dangerous and predatory that is? These are three, four, five-page contracts.

    10. SB

      Jesus Christ. I mean, any contract when you're 18 years old, although it's like list, reading a different language.

    11. SK

      The legal verbi- it's jargon-

    12. SB

      Yeah.

    13. SK

      ... it's literally another language.

    14. SB

      Yeah. I was thinking about Miranda rights.

    15. SK

      Yeah. (laughs)

    16. SB

      We don't really have, like, Miranda ri- we have our own version of it here, but you get read-

    17. SK

      What, you do sing God Save the Queen?

    18. SB

      Oh, fuck, I don't give a fucking ... I've never been arrested. (laughs)

    19. SK

      (laughs)

    20. SB

      I'll let you know if I ... But, but you get read your Miranda ... I watch all of these, like, US crime interrogation videos as like, how I fall asleep. Don't, don't worry about it. 3s

    21. SK

      (laughs) Wow.

    22. SB

      But, but I see them being read-

    23. SK

      Let's go back to anxiety. (laughs)

    24. SB

      Yeah. (laughs) Yeah. I see them being read their Miranda rights before they get interrogated, and then they get offered a lawyer.

    25. SK

      Yeah.

    26. SB

      Seems like maybe, from what you're saying, that's not a bad idea-

    27. SK

      No.

    28. SB

      ... if there was some kind of, like, implications clearly stated to people that are considering ent- entering the porn industry at a, at a young age, and the opportunity to have a lawyer or at least legal representation to impartially explain as a, as, as a third party the potential, um-

    29. SK

      Mm-hmm.

    30. SB

      ... implications for better or for worse, you know.

  10. 47:33 – 50:07

    Depression

    1. SB

      (paper rustles) Depression, another word.

    2. SK

      (sighs)

    3. SB

      D- different to anxiety in many respects.

    4. SK

      Yeah.

    5. SB

      People often characterize it with, like, thoughts of the past, and they think of anxiety as worries of the future. Um, depression's another word that I read a few times throughout your story. Um, again, is that something that's kind of been with you throughout life? Or is that, was that post-moving to Mai- Miami?

    6. SK

      It was really that 2019, 2020.

    7. SB

      Oh, really?

    8. SK

      Yeah. Yeah, um, I went on Lexapro. I went, uh, eh, like, I, that was when... I mean, maybe I was depressed, but it was never diagnosed. I had two therapy sessions a week and a psychiatrist, and I was on Lexapro. I was on Propran- Propranolol. I was on beta-blockers, everything for anxiety, depression, m- all of that. All of that was in, was in 2019, 2020, the, when, when everything started to kind of get rehashed, and I felt like (sighs) the anx- thank... I'm very, very grateful to be out of the depths of my depression. But, um, something that does keep me up at night anxiety-wise is where things are headed with AI and, um, deepfakes and things like that 'cause that feeling of...... of being violated all over again and having no control. Like, it- it's like trying to run in a dream. As hard as you, as you try, it's- it's impossible, and it's a very daunting feeling, and you feel claustrophobic, and you feel like you're trying to breathe underwater and all these really, really awful things that, that are out of your control, that's what, that's what that feels like. And I try not to think about it for too long, but ...

    9. SB

      The AI stuff feels like that and the deep fake stuff?

    10. SK

      Yeah.

    11. SB

      Okay. Yeah. It's fucking terrifying.

    12. SK

      Yeah.

    13. SB

      Were people worried about you in 2019? Did you have people around you that were worried about you at that point?

    14. SK

      I did. I did. I'm very grateful I did.

    15. SB

      'Cause I'm trying to think of this, this step people take when they go and have therapy or they go to the doctor and say, "Listen, something's wrong with me," you're at home, this stuff's happening online, this porn company are targeting you, what is the s- what is the, what was the catalyst in that moment to make you go, "Do you know what? I need to go get help"?

    16. SK

      Oh, I was still in therapy.

    17. SB

      In therapy, okay.

    18. SK

      Yeah, and my therapist said, "You need a psychiatrist."

    19. SB

      Really?

    20. SK

      Yeah. He said, "I, I'm d- like, you need a psychiatrist. I can't prescribe you antidepressants. You- you need, you need a psychiatrist. Here are some recommendations."

  11. 50:07 – 55:37

    How did your life change

    1. SK

    2. SB

      Ag- again, so what's life like? I joined a TV show, so, uh, things changed for me. You know, people start stopping you in the street and coming up to you in the gym and stuff, and, you know, I l- you know, it comes with the territory of what I did. I was well-aware of what I was getting into. Also, I joined the TV show when I was, like, 28, 29, so you're kinda like, you're probably a bit more prepared mentally for things, and you understand the world a bit better, and you're not trying to impress people as much as I was when I was younger. But it was still an adjustment, to say the least.

    3. SK

      Yeah.

    4. SB

      Um, what was life like for you that post-Miami period? You're now moving on with your life. You're, you're trying to, you know, this p- porn company come for you, what is life like day to day, y- when you go to the coffee shop?

    5. SK

      I'm kind of glad you asked that, 'cause it's a huge contrast to what it is now. Even though it's kind of still the same, I would get recognized and I would get come up to and I would get asked to h- like, take a photo with someone all the time, but my reaction to it is completely different than, than it is now. I would wanna crawl into a hole and hide away and be ashamed. I was, I, I was so embarrassed. I felt, like, a, like, a warm feeling in my stomach like I had just been punched or like I'd just found out I was being cheated on or something. Like, it's- it's just a very painful, visceral reaction to be recognized and to know what you're being recognized for. Um, and it wasn't until I started to accomplish other things and I started to be proud of things that I've, that I've done and things that I've kind of shifted and diverted into in my career. So, those first few months to a year in Austin, I felt very ... I had a lot of social anxiety and I didn't go out much, um, because I didn't want to be recognized. Um, I felt like I, I just didn't wanna be recognized. I didn't wanna be looked at, I didn't wanna be perceived, I didn't, I didn't wanna leave my house, none of that. But ...

    6. SB

      Is that a form of, like, self-hatred? 'Cause you're like <|agent|><|en|>

    7. SK

      No, 'cause it-

    8. SB

      ... just looking at me.

    9. SK

      No, because it w- it was more so the people who were coming up to me, college guys, like, like men, you know? It- it- it- it- it just made me uncomfortable because I knew why they knew me. And it wasn't until I started accomplishing things that I was actually proud of that m- that changed. I didn't feel that same, like, gut-wrenching, visceral feeling of shame when I would hear the name Mia or, or get called in the street or anything like that. Like, I, the more I accomplished, the more proud I was of what I've built and what I've changed and, and all of these things that I've done, the more comfortable I got with being recognized, because inherently people were recognizing me for other things. Women started to recognize me. Uh, everything kind of shifted. The more that I do and continue to do, the more, the more, the more that changes. Like, I, I rarely get come, like, I get come up to more by fe- by, by women now than by men. And I love that.

    10. SB

      What was that path out of the ... there's a book I, from my psychiatrist I had on this podcast called The Path Out of the Jungle. For you, what was the, it's Path Through the Jungle, sorry, but what was the path out of the jungle for you, that 2019 depression period? Like, how did you, for people that might be in that situation right now where they're really struggling, what was, was it just time? Was it community support? Was it the medi- medication? How did you get out of that phase?

    11. SK

      Everything.

    12. SB

      Everything?

    13. SK

      All of that combined. All of that combined. Truly. I don't think I could've done it without (laughs) shout out to Lexapro, without the Lexapro, without my support system, without, without m- my job, without people in my job encouraging me to, to, to pursue what I wanna do and, and to, and to not let fear of, of having something taken away from me or, or having something ...

    14. SB

      You had that fear of having it taken away from you?

    15. SK

      Yeah, of course. Of course. They're constantly threatening me even using the name Mia Khalifa.

    16. SB

      They're threatening you using the name Mia Khalifa?

    17. SK

      They think they have ownership of it.

    18. SB

      Okay.

    19. SK

      Which they do not. It's my dog's name. And they tried to convince me not to use Khalifa, 'cause they said, "No one's gonna know how to spell it." But yeah, I, I, I'm constantly in fear of ... they're a billion-dollar corporation.

    20. SB

      Yes. Yeah.

    21. SK

      The amount of lawsuits that they field on a daily basis. They're being sued right now by, um, by a company that does MLB trading cards because they're trying to do trading cards of, of actresses.

    22. SB

      You, you, you were married around that time, right, 2019?

    23. SK

      Uh, yeah.

    24. SB

      A l- a lot of what I read said that that marriage had fallen apart because the attention you were getting was difficult for your partner.

    25. SK

      I don't know about that. He's also ...

    26. SB

      ... famous?

    27. SK

      No, n- well, he's, he's a very popular chef.

    28. SB

      Okay.

    29. SK

      Um, but no, that, that was more of irreconcilable differences. No, I'm just kidding.

    30. SB

      Yeah.

  12. 55:37 – 57:30

    TikTok

    1. SK

    2. SB

      TikTok.

    3. SK

      Yes.

    4. SB

      You've become a TikTok sensation.

    5. SK

      (sighs)

    6. SB

      I don't like to spend too much time on TikTok because, you know, I, uh, I'll end up not doing anything with my life if I spend too long on there, because it's really addictive. But I went through your TikToks. You're a comedian.

    7. SK

      Oh, my God. (laughs) The trauma?

    8. SB

      No, but... No, but you, you are. You're incredibly successful on TikTok. You've got-

    9. SK

      I, I think that... TikTok is my favorite app and I think that I'm very lucky that TikTok is just... It's wh- it's where I spend the most time. I, I, I kinda just get it. I get it. It was very easy for me. I love TikTok, so.

    10. SB

      Suits your personality.

    11. SK

      Yeah.

    12. SB

      You've cultivated a group of people there, a huge group of people. Almost like 30 million people or something crazy, um, who love that, m- side of Sarah.

    13. SK

      Yeah. The women on, on, on my TikTok are amazing. I'm very, very grateful for the community of women that I found on there.

    14. SB

      (smacks lips) Y- You... A second ago, you said about 10 years' time, plans for 10 years' time. You said now you have an answer.

    15. SK

      Mm.

    16. SB

      What is the answer?

    17. SK

      (sighs) The answer is (sighs) two-car garage, decent backyard, um, three very successful, still operating companies that I'm very heavily involved in still. I don't plan on retiring anytime soon, and hopefully a kid on the way.

    18. SB

      Ooh.

    19. SK

      Yeah.

    20. SB

      In order to have a kid... Now, there's a couple of routes to having a kid.

    21. SK

      That's not true. (laughs)

    22. SB

      (laughs) In order to have a kid, you can adopt one, you can steal one, or you can have your own.

    23. SK

      (sighs)

    24. SB

      Um, they're all... You know, all of these paths... I mean, I'm sure there's... There might be a fourth path that I'm not thinking about.

    25. SK

      Yeah, I wouldn't mind stealing a four-year-old, someone who's already, like, into cartoons and stuff.

    26. SB

      (laughs) Okay.

    27. SK

      So maybe, maybe that's the route I go by, I, I go for.

    28. SB

      Are you, are you in a relationship now?

    29. SK

      No.

    30. SB

      You're not?

  13. 57:30 – 58:59

    Relationships

    1. SB

      relationships and how dating in the modern world is really, really tough.

    2. SK

      It is tough.

    3. SB

      It sucks, especially for a certain generation that I think got caught between, like, the digital world and, like, the analog world.

    4. SK

      Yeah.

    5. SB

      Do you find it tough? Obviously, people know who you are. You're, you're famous. You're super famous. You've got, like, 16 million followers plus. Um, do you find it tough to date?

    6. SK

      Very. Very, but I'm also not trying. I've been a serial monogamist for a while. I got out of a long-term, long-ish term relationship a few months ago. Um, but yeah. It's difficult. It's difficult, but I also haven't tried, but I'm... I, I don't, I don't know what I'm expecting. I haven't gone into the dating world in maybe six years. I've been in long-term relationships.

    7. SB

      What are you l- what would make a great partner for Sarah? (smacks lips)

    8. SK

      (sighs)

    9. SB

      What would they have to have? What would th- th- be the jigsaw shape of-

    10. SK

      Emotional intelligence and a good relationship with their therapist and with therapy in general. Um, someone who's constantly working on themselves and is self-aware and understands the ebbs and flows of life and emotions and how it's not always going to be even keel, how it'll oscillate. But oscillate doesn't necessarily mean go from good to toxic. It means go from good to needing a little more support than, than you normally have.

    11. SB

      Men are not necessarily the best at emotional intelligence, but I think-

    12. SK

      (laughs) I'm not ruling out women.

    13. SB

      Yeah. Good, good.

  14. 58:59 – 1:00:17

    Your businesses

    1. SB

      And business. Three businesses. The business, the jewelry brand. Can you tell me all about your jewelry brand and, um, the inspiration for that and your vision for that?

    2. SK

      Um, I'm really, really excited to launch it. It's called Shaytan. It's... The inspiration is every woman who I've ever admired, every Arab girl who chooses yellow gold over white gold, every... Just women in general, huge inspiration behind it. Um, it's body jewelry for the most part, but it's also lifestyle. Um, it will launch imminently, and yeah.

    3. SB

      Why did you choose jewelry?

    4. SK

      Because I love it. I was, I was custom-making the things that I wanted that I couldn't find easily. Um, hand lariats and foot lariats and belly chains and bra chains and sternu-... Like, all, all, all of this stuff was extremely hard to find, so I was custom-making it and paying a lot for it. So I'm very excited to put out something that is extremely delicate and precious and beautiful but also affordable.

    5. SB

      You

  15. 1:00:17 – 1:01:07

    Ingredients for a happy life

    1. SB

      know? W- when you think about, like, the ingredient, ingredients list of your own happiness right now in your life, what is on that list of ingredients? What are the, like, factors that need to be present for you to feel, like, stable and, um, f- full?

    2. SK

      Mm. I would say 70% alone time.

    3. SB

      Interesting.

    4. SK

      20% time surrounded by people who energize and recharge me, and 10% just... 10% fuck it. 10% just if something feels right, do it, follow your instinct. But, like, I'm kind of scared of my instinct a little too sometimes, even though...... yeah, 10% just listen to your gut.

  16. 1:01:07 – 1:03:43

    Who are you?

    1. SK

    2. SB

      And going back to the start of the conversation, this is because you feel closest to knowing who, who you are?

    3. SK

      Yeah. Yeah. The most secure in the decisions I make on a daily basis.

    4. SB

      And who are you?

    5. SK

      I'm Sarah. I'm Sarah Fucking Jo.

    6. SB

      And who's, who's Sarah Jo?

    7. SK

      Sarah is unapologetic and ... not fearless, pretty fearful, but I think that's a good thing. Cautious. Cautious and secure.

    8. SB

      Okay, so unapologetic. And then the second one was not fearless, pretty fearful.

    9. SK

      Yeah, but in a good way. Cautious. Cautious.

    10. SB

      Cautious, okay.

    11. SK

      Yeah.

    12. SB

      The unapologetic part.

    13. SK

      Mm-hmm.

    14. SB

      I get that. I sense that from you. Where did that come from?

    15. SK

      Rihanna.

    16. SB

      (laughs) Rihanna. No, no really. Like that came from Rihanna?

    17. SK

      Oh, absolutely yeah. Yeah. She has a whole album called Unapologetic and that, that is what I base my, my personality off of.

    18. SB

      Why?

    19. SK

      What do you mean why?

    20. SB

      Why, why did you choose to base ... there's so many different albums Rihanna's made or ?

    21. SK

      Oh that's, that's, that's the one that just exu- that's the one that kind of ... that was her, that was her shift also. That was her moment of, "Now I know who I am and I'm unapologetic about it. It might not be the bubble gum pop girl you thought I was or wanted me to be, this is who I am and this is the person who's not going anywhere."

    22. SB

      Is that a stark contrast from the Sarah I would've met, had I met you at like 18? Like I wanna ... if I like put that 18 year old Sarah there and I had them both side-by-side, I'm guessing Sarah 18 wouldn't be un- un- unapologetic.

    23. SK

      No.

    24. SB

      What ... Can you describe how her, her, her vibe would've been sat here today?

    25. SK

      Shriveled, insecure-

    26. SB

      Oh really?

    27. SK

      ... quiet probably or too loud just because insecurity screams. Not, not someone ... well actually no, that is someone who I would wanna be around because I, I feel empathy for her. And I forgive her.

    28. SB

      And the journey to Unapologetic was from what I've garnered so far based on the evidence you got from going out and doing things and proving shit to yourself?

    29. SK

      Yeah.

    30. SB

      That's so important. I was gonna say this at the start of the conversation, this idea of confidence. People don't know how you- you said it like, "How the fuck do you get confidence? Like where does it come from? How do I buy one?" But y- from your own experiences, it's the evidence you gain from doing shit that changes your beliefs.

  17. 1:03:43 – 1:07:05

    The last guest’s question

    1. SK

    2. SB

      We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest.

    3. SK

      Okay.

    4. SB

      And they leave it written in this diary.

    5. SK

      Oh.

    6. SB

      Aristotle said, "Give me the child at seven and I'll show you the man." Or woman. Is it true that the first seven years of your life make you who you are?

    7. SK

      I think they have a huge impact just s- psychology speaking. It's like psychologically I think those are very formative years. Yeah.

    8. SB

      Seven years old you could've, um, whispered some words into Sarah's ear. What would those words have been?

    9. SK

      You're amazing. You're enough. You're perfect.

    10. SB

      Thank you so much, ma'am.

    11. SK

      Thank you.

    12. SB

      Sarah.

    13. SK

      Yeah. That's okay.

    14. SB

      Learning about your story and, and really like the reaction to ev- to the mistakes you made when you were younger is, um, incredibly inspiring for me because we all make d- we all h- make decisions, especially in our younger years, that you know, through naivety or other, or coercion or whatever it might be, we're not necessarily, you know, we wouldn't make those decisions again. And the way you've responded to that and built the life that you're building now off the back of that, and the audience you've built around TikTok and social media, um, around your personality and your humor is incredibly h- hope-inspiring. It gives me a lot of hope that regardless if, you know, the, the, the steps I make in my life, they will be, um, there's a way through. There's a-

    15. SK

      Yeah.

    16. SB

      ... a way through the jungle. And that's what your story represents to me. It's an incredibly inspiring one and you're, um, yeah, you're an, an inspiration for that very reason.

    17. SK

      Thank you.

    18. SB

      So thank you.

    19. SK

      Thank you. I appreciate that. (upbeat music)

    20. SB

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