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No.1 Habit & Procrastination Expert: We've Got ADHD Wrong! Break Any Habit & Never Be Distracted!

In this new episode Steven sits down with the American behavioural design expert, Nir Eyal. Topics: 00:00 Intro 02:02 Being indistractable 10:21 4 steps to avoid distractions 17:37 10-minute rule to beat procrastination 27:40 Prevent distraction & improve sex life 34:56 How to become disciplined & have strong willpower 47:33 The power of time allocation 53:33 Stop burnout 01:00:27 Stop blaming social media 01:10:17 Overcoming our traumas and improving confidence 01:20:39 Why is there a rise in ADHD? 01:37:31 Last guest’s question Follow Nir: Twitter: https://bit.ly/3BJR9uv Instagram: https://bit.ly/43dDHuL You can purchase Nir’s books here: Indistractable: https://bit.ly/3pSfiwi Hook: https://bit.ly/42WDgW0 Join this channel to get access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Dpmgx5 Follow me:  Instagram: http://bit.ly/3nIkGAZ Twitter: http://bit.ly/3ztHuHm Linkedin: https://bit.ly/41Fl95Q Telegram: http://bit.ly/3nJYxST Sponsors: Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb Bluejeans: https://g2ul0.app.link/NCgpGjVNKsb Zoe: http://joinzoe.com with an exclusive code CEO10 for 10% off

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May 22, 20231h 41mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 2:20 – 5:20

    Why Becoming Indistractable Is the ‘Macro Skill’ of the Century

    Nir frames distraction as the central barrier between what we know and what we actually do, linking it directly to lifelong regret. He introduces his term ‘indistractable’ and argues that controlling attention underpins success in every domain, from health and career to relationships.

  2. 5:20 – 8:40

    Traction vs. Distraction: Redefining Productivity and Focus

    Nir deconstructs the common focus-versus-distraction framing and instead contrasts traction (intentional, value-aligned actions) with distraction (anything that pulls you off your plan). He highlights how ‘productive’ tasks like email can be insidious distractions when they replace the difficult, important work you scheduled.

  3. 8:40 – 17:20

    Internal vs External Triggers: Why Time Management Is Pain Management

    Nir introduces external and internal triggers, arguing that most distraction originates from within through uncomfortable emotions we’re trying to escape. He connects distraction, weight, money, and time problems to emotion regulation, insisting that mastering internal triggers is the first step to becoming indistractable.

  4. 17:20 – 27:20

    Diagnosing Your Discomfort: Notes, Reframing, and High Performers

    Nir shares his simple practice of jotting down the urge and emotion right before distraction, then reframing that discomfort as a useful signal rather than a threat. He contrasts how high performers use stress and anxiety as fuel for traction while distractible people flee into avoidance behaviors.

  5. 27:20 – 41:00

    The 10-Minute Rule and Scheduling Worry: Practical Anti-Procrastination Tools

    Nir outlines concrete techniques for staying with difficult tasks, especially writing. The 10‑minute rule delays any distraction, preserving agency, while scheduled worry time and strict timeboxing help contain intrusive thoughts and ensure you honor your commitments to focus blocks.

  6. 41:00 – 55:40

    Hacking Back External Triggers: Phones, Bosses, Meetings, and Colleagues

    With internal triggers addressed and time clearly allocated, Nir turns to taming external triggers—from phones to open offices to micromanaging bosses. He offers environmental cues like ‘indistractable’ monitor signs and a structured way to align your calendar with your manager’s real priorities.

  7. 55:40 – 1:05:20

    Pacts and Environment Design: Effort, Price, and Identity Commitments

    Nir explains pre-commitment ‘pacts’ as the last defensive layer once you’ve handled triggers and time. He illustrates effort pacts with his home’s 10pm router timer, which improved sleep and intimacy, and clarifies that the goal is adding friction and signaling priorities, not creating unbreakable digital walls.

  8. 1:05:20 – 1:17:40

    Willpower, Discipline, and the Ego-Depletion Myth

    Responding to concerns that all productivity systems ultimately rely on discipline, Nir addresses the concept of limited willpower. Citing replication work by Carol Dweck, he argues that ego depletion is largely a belief effect and that seeing willpower as finite makes people give up sooner.

  9. 1:17:40 – 1:30:40

    Values, Timeboxing, and the Case Against Endless To-Do Lists

    Nir guides Steven through using values to structure a timeboxed calendar and explains why traditional to‑do lists can erode self-esteem. He advocates budgeting time across three domains—self, relationships, work—and ensuring both reactive and reflective work have protected slots.

  10. 1:30:40 – 1:42:00

    Indistractable Relationships: Scheduling Time, Avoiding ‘Residual Beneficiaries’

    The discussion turns to how distraction and poor prioritization harm romantic relationships. Nir shares his wife’s metaphor of being the ‘residual beneficiary’ of his leftover time and argues for explicitly scheduling date nights and shared time rather than assuming spontaneity will save intimacy.

  11. 1:42:00 – 1:55:20

    Burnout, High Expectations, and Low Control

    Nir reframes burnout not as ‘too much work’ but as the psychological state produced by high expectations combined with low control. Drawing on research, he explains how lack of agency feels like a kind of death, leading to learned helplessness unless mitigated by meaning or improved control.

  12. 1:55:20 – 2:06:00

    Trauma, Pain, and Reframing: From Post-Traumatic Stress to Growth

    Touching on trauma, Nir argues that while severe cases are beyond his scope, many people can reframe painful experiences and internal ‘goblins’ into fuel. He connects this to mind–body work on chronic pain, exposure therapy, and the dangers of over-focusing on triggers rather than gradually confronting them.

  13. 2:06:00 – 2:16:00

    Confidence, Scripts, and Reimagining Internal Triggers

    Using his own stage fright as an example, Nir shows how changing the story you tell yourself about bodily sensations can transform fear into excitement. He encourages experimenting with new ‘characters’ and perspectives, much like actors or those exploring altered states, to escape rigid self-concepts.

  14. 2:16:00 – 2:30:40

    ADHD, Overdiagnosis, and the ‘Skills Before Pills’ Argument

    In the most controversial segment, Nir confronts current ADHD culture. He affirms ADHD’s reality and that medication can help, but highlights dramatic diagnostic discrepancies between the U.S. and Europe, criticizes simplistic ‘chemical imbalance’ stories, TikTok-driven self-diagnosis, and the pharmaceutical-first reflex.

  15. 2:30:40 – 2:48:40

    Moral Panic, Addiction vs Distraction, and Personal Responsibility

    Nir distinguishes between clinical addiction and everyday distraction, arguing that blaming tech companies for ‘stealing attention’ undermines personal agency. While supporting targeted protections for children and pathological addicts, he critiques moral panics around social media and calls for individuals to use available tools and skills instead of waiting for regulation.

  16. 2:48:40 – 3:06:20

    Indistractable Workplaces: Culture, Slack, and Psychological Safety

    Returning to organizations, Nir profiles Slack and Boston Consulting Group as examples of companies that have reduced distraction by addressing norms, not just tools. He outlines three traits of indistractable workplaces and describes how even simple visual signals—like nurses’ ‘do not disturb’ vests—can dramatically cut errors.

  17. 3:06:20

    Closing Reflections: Religion, Ritual, and What Skeptics Might Be Missing

    Answering a closing question about unpopular but important ideas, Nir shares how his view on religion has shifted. Though personally secular, he now sees organized religion’s non-supernatural benefits—community, ritual, meaning, and enforced reflection—as deeply valuable and something secular people often undervalue.

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