Roman Kemp: Why Communication Is More Important Than Ever | E123

1. 0:00 – 1:15

   Intro

   1. SBSteven Bartlett0:00

      Could you do me a quick favor if you're listening to this? Please hit the follow or subscribe button. It helps more than you know, and we invite subscribers in every month to watch the show in person.

   2. RKRoman Kemp0:07

      Basically, that documentary became my own therapy. She said he's gone. It's still such a weird thing that people don't want to talk about, but yet, it's the biggest killer for, in men our age.

   3. SBSteven Bartlett0:18

      Roman Kemp is truly remarkable and deeply inspiring.

   4. RKRoman Kemp0:23

      It's all about creating tools, you know, in our brain to learn how to deal with these issues. Your brain becomes Mike Tyson, and he's just beating you up, and you've not had one boxing lesson in your life. So you just can't do anything. You're just taking it. If you had told me 10 years ago that would be my job and that's what people would know me for, I would honestly would not even know where that would've even started. I'm, I'm pleased that I've got a good core friend group around me. I'm glad that I've got my parents around me. I'm glad that I've gone out there and I've taught myself the tools that I need to go and fight Mike Tyson in there and, and be able to go up against him. And that's why I feel passionate to be able to go and do that for, for kids now.

   5. SBSteven Bartlett1:00

      Without further ado, I'm Steven Bartlett, and this is The Diary of a CEO. I hope nobody's listening, but if you are, then please keep this to yourself.

2. 1:15 – 13:43

   Your early years

   1. SBSteven Bartlett1:15

      Roman.

   2. RKRoman Kemp1:16

      Hello.

   3. SBSteven Bartlett1:16

      What were you like as a kid? Tell me.

   4. RKRoman Kemp1:19

      As a kid, I was, I'd say, verging on, um, verging on attention-seeker, and yet, always just performing, I guess. I loved, uh, mimicking and li- and, and doing im- impressions and things like that. Like when I, when I first realized that I could do impressions, I would do them nonstop. And I would, I would go home, I'd watch my teachers, and I'd say to my parents, "Oh, this is what my teacher did today." And I wouldn't just say what they said. I would perform it for them, how they did it. So I think I was very much so, like, high-energy kid. I would say verging on an ADHD (laughs) kind of assumption, but, um, it was definitely a, a big change, kinda when I went through my teenage years.

   5. SBSteven Bartlett2:09

      Brothers and sisters?

   6. RKRoman Kemp2:10

      Older sister, 32.

   7. SBSteven Bartlett2:15

      Very different from you?

   8. RKRoman Kemp2:16

      Yeah, but to be honest, like, she... Yeah, she is, to be honest. She, she, she kind of... She's someone that... Her name's Harley, Harley Moon, one word, very pretentious parents, basically. Doesn't necessarily mean anything. I think my parents were, must have been slightly intoxicated after, after the birth, and it was a full moon, so they named her Harley Moon. But kids with Harley Moon and Roman at that time were a little bit strange. So yeah, just no greater meaning other than they're very pretentious parents. But, um, yeah, she, she's, she's an amazing kind of person. I, I got my work ethic from her.

   9. SBSteven Bartlett2:57

      From your sister?

   10. RKRoman Kemp2:58

       From my sister, yeah. My, my mum and my dad are, are really supportive, and, and they're always like, you know, there in terms of like, anything I do is great. They love... And I couldn't ask for better parents. But Harley was the first person I knew that, she went out at 15 and was straight away, 14, whatever it was, was like, "I need to get a Saturday job," straight away. I, like, she was the one doing it. Like, she wanted to do it. She was asking my parents when can she go and do it. And I used to be quite jeal- There's part of me that was a bit jealous of that, because she kinda had this, like, maturity quite early on, where she was making money, and she went out there, and she became a, a portraits photographer and then a big celebrity portraits photographer, and was being hugely successful. So she was that person that I was like, "God, I need to keep up," basically.

   11. SBSteven Bartlett3:48

       When you say, "I need to keep up," basically, a lot of the stuff that I read about you and your relationship with your dad in particular, um, there was some, it felt like from reading what I read, that there were some issues with you feeling, um, I guess not good enough because of his, because of the fact that he'd been so successful in his career as Martin Kemp.

   12. RKRoman Kemp4:08

       Yeah.

   13. SBSteven Bartlett4:08

       Is that accurate?

   14. RKRoman Kemp4:09

       Um, no, yes and no, because it, it, to be honest, uh, I'm so, again, I'm so lucky, because the parents that I have are so supportive of what I wanna do, and it's the same way, however they've parented me is the same way I wanna be with my children. You know, I'm a massive family person. I believe that everything I'm doing now is for, is for my family and to create better people. Um, but I think with my dad and my mum in, in that, in that respect, you know, my mum was part of the first group, uh, to ever, um, perform in Asia. Do you know what I mean? Like, in terms of Wham! and Pepsi and Shirley, was insane. You know, my dad, part of Spandau and acting career and all these types of things. I'm insanely proud of that. So for me to then say I'm not good enough for it or could never better it puts a downer on those things, I think. So I put it kind of in separate boxes. I'm not trying to emulate them, because in my head, they will always be my heroes.

   15. SBSteven Bartlett5:11

       I sat here with, um, Eddie Hearn-

   16. RKRoman Kemp5:13

       Yeah.

   17. SBSteven Bartlett5:13

       ... and other people like Umar from, from... He runs prettylittlething.com, and his dad-

   18. RKRoman Kemp5:17

       Yeah.

   19. SBSteven Bartlett5:17

       ... obviously runs boohoo.com, which is-

   20. RKRoman Kemp5:18

       Yeah.

   21. SBSteven Bartlett5:18

       ... you know, the founders. And that they, they often spoke to that feeling of, when you've got successful parents, it can feel like a, there can be thoughts that creep in that make you think, um, often illogically, especially in the case of all those individuals I've described, that you've got s- you've got like a, you know, a mountain to, to emulate or there's, you know, there's pressure, that-

   22. RKRoman Kemp5:39

       Yeah, but that's, that's society. Like, like, I, I always use this as an example. It's like, you know, you look at, um, you look at any, any famous kid, like, that there is, me, myself, being the, an offspring of someone who is famous, two people that are famous, I will still look at, you know, Brooklyn Beckham and see him getting a scholarship for a photography thing and go, "Oh, I bet he's got that 'cause of his dad," and I'll catch myself doing that. And then, but that's a normal thing to feel. That's a normal thing to feel. I'm sure he hasn't. I'm sure he's got great talent. But...... I, I fully understand why people would look at me and go, "Oh, he's got to where he is because of his dad." Let me tell you, at the beginning, I asked my dad, "Hook me up, like, help me out," and he couldn't, like, genuinely, like- like, because what I wanted to do was different. But I would say with- with my dad, it- it's never- it's never the pressure, and with my mum, it's never the pressure of how well you're doing and, like, you know, "Tick this off, tick this off, look what I've done, you've got to do this, this, this, this, this, this, this." It's not that. The hardest thing with my old man, and my mum for that matter, is the public perception of them is how it is, which is they are so nice (laughs) and, like, they are these amazing people. I always feel like for- for me and my sister, there's more of a pressure for me to be able to have a good relationship and a wife that- that... in the way that my dad has. That, for me, is more of a pressure than anything to do with work. The relationship that they have weighs massively on me because I don't wanna ever go through a divorce. I don't wanna ever, you know, go through problems 'cause they never did.

   23. SBSteven Bartlett7:14

       Mm-hmm.

   24. RKRoman Kemp7:15

       So when people ask me that question, I- I'd rather, like... I- I'd do anything to have their relationship over their career.

   25. SBSteven Bartlett7:22

       Yeah, yeah. When you were that age, say like 14, 15, when you were-

   26. RKRoman Kemp7:25

       Mm-hmm.

   27. SBSteven Bartlett7:25

       ... thinking about what you wanted to be when you grew up, what was your aspirations at that point?

   28. RKRoman Kemp7:29

       Um, uh, kind of... well, I, I signed a record... I signed a, a, a record deal at, at 15, um, which came through in such a weird way. Like, like, it was like meeting people and someone saying, "Oh, would you, would you wanna try and do... would you wanna try and do songwriting?" And I had an interest in it, and I'd worked with a few people, worked in management companies as a Saturday job, and then they were like, "Yeah, cool, let's do it." And I signed a development deal with Universal Music, which basically means you're the label's bitch, right? Where you'll be a part of any project that they want you to be a part of. So they, they basically own any output that you have.

   29. SBSteven Bartlett8:10

       And what did you get for that?

   30. RKRoman Kemp8:10

       So you can do... Oh, I mean, you, I got paid. At- at 15 it was okay, and, and, look, at- at the same time I was being able to sit in meetings with people who are now heads of labels and, and, you know-
3. 13:43 – 28:40

   Getting into presenting

   1. RKRoman Kemp13:43

   2. SBSteven Bartlett13:43

      So how, how... So, te- tell me about your first proper presenting gig then-

   3. RKRoman Kemp13:47

      Yeah.

   4. SBSteven Bartlett13:47

      ... and how that came about.

   5. RKRoman Kemp13:48

      There was a football company called Football Daily.

   6. SBSteven Bartlett13:51

      Ah, I knew them.

   7. RKRoman Kemp13:51

      Yeah.

   8. SBSteven Bartlett13:52

      Yeah.

   9. RKRoman Kemp13:52

      Uh, and so this was right at the start of when they started out and, uh, they were just a group of lads that were just pushing out content and I'd just had this idea for a, for a video that was based on, uh, fo- like, a football pickup line video and it was just silly. And they were like, "Well, could you just go out and film it for us?" And I was like, "Yeah, fine." And then they were like, "Actually, do you want, do you wanna, do you wanna just be in it and do it?" If, if that would be... 'Cause it was cheaper and quicker.

   10. SBSteven Bartlett14:21

       Yeah.

   11. RKRoman Kemp14:21

       Right?

   12. SBSteven Bartlett14:21

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. RKRoman Kemp14:21

       So I was like, "Okay, la- I'll just go out and do it." And then from that, they then started asking me to go on to, like, chat about football. I mean, football's something that's so massive in terms of my life, but-

   14. SBSteven Bartlett14:31

       Who do you support?

   15. RKRoman Kemp14:31

       I'm an Arsenal fan.

   16. SBSteven Bartlett14:32

       Oh, sorry about that.

   17. RKRoman Kemp14:33

       But, who are you?

   18. SBSteven Bartlett14:34

       Man United.

   19. RKRoman Kemp14:34

       Oh, Man United. What, are you from London or somethin'?

   20. SBSteven Bartlett14:37

       Yeah (laughs) .

   21. RKRoman Kemp14:37

       (laughs) I don't hear a Mancunian accent, so it has to be Man United.

   22. SBSteven Bartlett14:40

       (laughs)

   23. RKRoman Kemp14:40

       Um, no, so it... But, you know, it's, it's like I, I, I started doing, like, silly kind of prank videos that then turned into chatting but it kind of all merged into one. I, I ended up getting gigs with Channel 4, MTV. Capital were asking me to do, like, outside broadcast-y bits, basically just like for the breakfast show they'll go, "Let's cross over to Roman who's at Wimbledon." Do you know what I mean?

   24. SBSteven Bartlett15:04

       Yeah, yeah.

   25. RKRoman Kemp15:04

       But those are so important.

   26. SBSteven Bartlett15:06

       Yeah.

   27. RKRoman Kemp15:06

       Those... Every... Like, you know, with presenting is, is, is air miles, is you, you've gotta do it, like, and, and you've gotta do all of those jobs because they throw different challenges to you every time, you know? And, and they will come back and, and you'll look back and you'll go, "I'm so pleased I did that really shit job-"

   28. SBSteven Bartlett15:26

       Hmm.

   29. RKRoman Kemp15:26

       "... because I know what I got out of it." You know, there is no... There's n- there's never a thing as a bad job, ever, that... Because you will always get one thing out of it, whether that just solely be... I've done jobs that I never wanna talk about ever again in my life, like, in terms of, like, how bad they were. But I learnt that from them.

   30. SBSteven Bartlett15:45

       Hmm.
4. 28:40 – 56:48

   Your documentary - male suicide

   1. SBSteven Bartlett28:40

      You went on to do a documentary which I, I watched, which was incredibly moving for a number of reasons, um, personally.

   2. RKRoman Kemp28:47

      Yeah.

   3. SBSteven Bartlett28:47

      I- I've got a... You know, one of my, maybe my best friend and my business partner for the first seven or eight years was, um, was depressed as we were running the business and I had no idea.

   4. RKRoman Kemp28:56

      Yeah.

   5. SBSteven Bartlett28:57

      So I only actually found out in hindsight, and he said to me, when he came on this podcast, actually, afterwards, after he had had a, a problem with alcohol and I'd caught him in the laundry room, we lived together, at like 3:00 AM in the morning drinking alcohol, and I'd, I'd ac- I... 'cause at the time I didn't understand what mental health, um, disorders were.

   6. RKRoman Kemp29:15

      Yeah.

   7. SBSteven Bartlett29:16

      So I just thought, "Oh, he's got... H- He's a pisshead."

   8. RKRoman Kemp29:18

      Yeah, yeah.

   9. SBSteven Bartlett29:18

      You know what I mean? But obviously that's... I've come to learn that that's a symptom of something.

   10. RKRoman Kemp29:22

       Yeah, of course.

   11. SBSteven Bartlett29:22

       Um, and then it all came to a head one day where he got really drunk and started exposing himself in front of employees and s- a long story, but, um, then we had a chat, and it was the first time we had a chat about what was going on-

   12. RKRoman Kemp29:35

       Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

   13. SBSteven Bartlett29:35

       ... without like anger or assumption, and then he opened up to me and we cried on s- some Sunday in the office and he started his journey to g- get to seeing a therapist, et cetera. Your documentary was just... it was just exceptional for so many reasons.

   14. RKRoman Kemp29:49

       Thanks.

   15. SBSteven Bartlett29:50

       Can you, can you take me through-

   16. RKRoman Kemp29:52

       Yeah.

   17. SBSteven Bartlett29:52

       'Cause I, 'cause I know that you were, you're working alongside your best friend Joe-

   18. RKRoman Kemp29:56

       Mm-hmm.

   19. SBSteven Bartlett29:56

       ... at, at the radio, um-

   20. RKRoman Kemp29:58

       Yeah, yeah.

   21. SBSteven Bartlett29:58

       Can you take me through... I guess the first question is, um, did you know-

   22. RKRoman Kemp30:04

       Uh.

   23. SBSteven Bartlett30:05

       ... anything was at all-

   24. RKRoman Kemp30:07

       No.

   25. SBSteven Bartlett30:07

       ... troubling Joe?

   26. RKRoman Kemp30:08

       No. Uh, I, mmm, I've known Joe for... since I started. Six years. Six years straight being with that person every single day. Almost like a boyfriend. Like, that's, that's, that's... Like, like we work together every day, we go out, you know, all the time, like, like after shows, all those types of stuff. Weekends, go out. If I had lined up-... even, like, guys over 10, 20. If I had 30 mates, I'd say 30 mates. Um, I would probably put him last as to, to who I would suspect would ever do anything like that. I mean, to put it, to put it into context, obviously, the documentary you're talking about obviously being, you know, about male suicide and, and, and male depression. It was... Even this world that I'm in now, I, I really do not wish I was part of this world (laughs) . Like, in terms of, like, I wish I didn't have spea- people talking to me about suicide but this is where we are. You know, this is how life goes. That's, that's it. Um, but when, when it came to, to Joe, my, my producer, yeah, he, you know, he was the first person... When I went to Wimbledon that day, he was the first person I met. When I, when I did my demo for the first, first time, he was that person that was there with me, and this is someone that taught me everything I know in terms of my professional being now on, in terms of radio. He taught me everything, uh, and sat next to me literally two foot away from me every day on every single show. You know, we'd laugh together, as I say, go out together, all those types of things. But I think Joe took his own life in August last year, um, and that for me was a moment where I, I kind of... I, I had dealt with my own kind of suicidal thoughts and my own kind of depression, and Joe was very much aware of that, which is why it was so strange to me and why I felt like I had this piece of paper in front of me that said everything you know about a f- or you think you know about someone that is "suicidal" in quotes is wrong, because it doesn't have any form of symptom. It... Because that's why each suicide is different to the next, and you can't, you can't nullify it. You can't be like, "Oh, if someone is..." You'll know someone's suicidal because they'll look like this, this, this, this, this. You, you'll never find those answers, which is a scary thought-

   27. SBSteven Bartlett32:32

       Mm-hmm.

   28. RKRoman Kemp32:32

       ... but it's also, um, you know, like, the... What, like what you said there, like, you didn't know that mental health disorders-

   29. SBSteven Bartlett32:39

       No idea.

   30. RKRoman Kemp32:40

       ... were a thing, that puts you in a higher risk category than it puts me. The majority of men that take their own life have no idea that mental health disorders even are a thing. Most of them think that people are just kind of lying or, or people are just attention-seeking when they say they have depression. That's over 70% of men that take their own life are in that situation. They see it as a means to an end. They don't like what's going on in their life, "How do I make it stop?" Take your own life. It's, it's, it's so strange.
5. 56:48 – 1:03:26

   How have you found being in the spotlight?

   1. SBSteven Bartlett56:48

      How, how have you found being in the public spotlight? You talked a little bit about there, about like people coming up to you at dinners and parties and stuff.

   2. RKRoman Kemp56:54

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   3. SBSteven Bartlett56:55

      Like, when you're in the spotlight anyway, people come up to you and just say, "Oh, I love your thing."

   4. RKRoman Kemp56:58

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   5. SBSteven Bartlett56:59

      Right? But now they're coming up and saying it. How have you found all of that?

   6. RKRoman Kemp57:02

      In terms of the, the doc?

   7. SBSteven Bartlett57:03

      The doc-

   8. RKRoman Kemp57:04

      Or just in general?

   9. SBSteven Bartlett57:05

      ... or just more generally?

   10. RKRoman Kemp57:05

       I mean, in general, mate, like to be totally honest, I, I don't know any different.

   11. SBSteven Bartlett57:08

       Yeah.

   12. RKRoman Kemp57:09

       Genuinely. Because I, like... It, it, it for me, it was the... It's like in the same way that I could say to you, "How is it... In that bit, how is it hitting puberty?" It's like you'd seen people above you go through that, so you kinda knew what to expect-

   13. SBSteven Bartlett57:26

       Oh, okay, yeah.

   14. RKRoman Kemp57:26

       ... and you'd kind of dealt with it. Do you know what I mean?

   15. SBSteven Bartlett57:28

       Of course.

   16. RKRoman Kemp57:28

       Whereas like for me, 'cause I was... People coming up to me now saying, "Oh, can I get a picture?" And if I'm with a mate, I have to say to the mate, "Oh, c- can you hold the phone and, you know, take the picture?" I was that person-

   17. SBSteven Bartlett57:40

       Oh, right.

   18. RKRoman Kemp57:41

       ... holding the phone half my life.

   19. SBSteven Bartlett57:42

       Yeah.

   20. RKRoman Kemp57:42

       You know, so i- it just-

   21. SBSteven Bartlett57:44

       It's always been-

   22. RKRoman Kemp57:45

       Always been there.

   23. SBSteven Bartlett57:46

       Okay.

   24. RKRoman Kemp57:46

       At any time I was a kid.

   25. SBSteven Bartlett57:47

       Interesting.

   26. RKRoman Kemp57:48

       Any, any time I was a kid walking into a pub, going to a football match, walking into a restaurant, anywhere, I clock people looking at my dad-

   27. SBSteven Bartlett57:56

       Hmm.

   28. RKRoman Kemp57:57

       ... or my mum.

   29. SBSteven Bartlett57:57

       Did you understand that they were, like, famous at a weird age?

   30. RKRoman Kemp58:00

       Yeah, mate. Loved it.
6. 1:03:26 – 1:08:48

   Do the super stars you meet seem happy?

   1. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:26

      You've, you've met a lot of very, um, famous super, mega-stars.

   2. RKRoman Kemp1:03:30

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:30

      And you've partied with a lot of them and been very close to a lot of them. I'm-

   4. RKRoman Kemp1:03:33

      Yeah.

   5. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:33

      ... reading some of the stories about Justin Bieber. When you look at some of these people-

   6. RKRoman Kemp1:03:36

      Yeah.

   7. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:37

      ... that are, have been wildly successful-

   8. RKRoman Kemp1:03:39

      Yeah.

   9. SBSteven Bartlett1:03:41

      ... what, what have you noticed about, like, their happiness and, like, the ones that are happy, the ones that you think, "Oh God, I'm concerned for this one." What is the, what's your general observation? Are these really happy people, honestly?

   10. RKRoman Kemp1:03:53

       I think it's, it's all about, it's all about the values. It's always about what are they doing it for. You know, and, and the family life. You know, there, there's, there's people that, that... What I always find so interesting is, is I think one of the reasons why I'm able to, again, do the job that I do and speak to those people who are on such high pedestals is because you got to remember that I've grown up with a, with a godfather who is, or was, and still to this day, one of the most famous singers ever-

   11. SBSteven Bartlett1:04:25

       Mm-hmm.

   12. RKRoman Kemp1:04:25

       ... in George Michael. And growing up with George, I saw very quickly that the more famous you get, it does not become more fun. It doesn't. You, you don't know who's your friends, y- you don't know, th- those types of things, and... And I think that that can lead people to be into a bit of a troubled situation. You know, you get approached by... So you don't have a good core friend group, like, a big core friend group, that can lead to everyone around you being yes men that just wanna be on the payroll, that will do something because they think that it'll help in their career and those types of things. I'm uber fortunate, I've got a really nice friend group and the artists that I know, you know, speaking from a music, music background, the artists that I know that have those incredible friend groups are just amazing people.

   13. SBSteven Bartlett1:05:13

       Like Ed Sheeran?

   14. RKRoman Kemp1:05:14

       They... Yeah, Ed, Ed is an incre- like, but Ed's values are so correct, you know, and, and his, his parents are, are lovely people as well in terms of... You know, had the pleasure of, you know, having dinner with his dad and stuff like that, and, like, y- they, they're just people that understand that this is just fun, the creativeness is just the fun, you know. All the fame and those types of things are just a side note. You know, Ed, Ed does everything he does now I'm sure because he's, he's so family orientated, and that's so important. You know, he's married to Cherry, who was his childhood sweetheart. You know, it's the s- I'll g- give you another example, it's like, Niall Horan's one of my, my good mates. Niall's friend group is all his friend group from young.

   15. SBSteven Bartlett1:05:57

       School, innit?

   16. RKRoman Kemp1:05:58

       Young. And they will kill him, like, in, like, conversations or like... Do you know what I mean? Like, his cousins will rip him to shreds and all those types of things, and all it does is just ground him constantly. And, and it's that grounding nature that if you don't have that within this world, or that world, you're gonna struggle. Justin for s- for instance, was someone that was taken at, like, nine, he didn't have a chance to, to build a proper friend group. Didn't even have a chance. And so you worry for people like that because, you know, that's why, you know, he, he's now found faith, and that's his thing, and, and that is his grounding moment in his life.

   17. SBSteven Bartlett1:06:36

       And his wife, of course, she's a-

   18. RKRoman Kemp1:06:37

       Exactly.

   19. SBSteven Bartlett1:06:38

       ... she seems to be a good echo.

   20. RKRoman Kemp1:06:39

       That's what I mean. So it's, you know, for, for him, he has those things. For me, it is those core group of, core group of mates.

   21. SBSteven Bartlett1:06:46

       And you must meet a couple that you're a bit concerned about in terms of-

   22. RKRoman Kemp1:06:49

       Always.

   23. SBSteven Bartlett1:06:49

       ... 'cause I've met a couple of, you know, famous people and I've thought, "Fucking hell, they're not happy."

   24. RKRoman Kemp1:06:53

       No.

   25. SBSteven Bartlett1:06:54

       You know?

   26. RKRoman Kemp1:06:54

       100%. Uh, uh, uh-

   27. SBSteven Bartlett1:06:55

       Can you feel it when you meet them, with their energy and they-

   28. RKRoman Kemp1:06:57

       All the time.

   29. SBSteven Bartlett1:06:57

       Yeah?

   30. RKRoman Kemp1:06:57

       Instantly.
7. 1:08:48 – 1:16:08

   Your romantic life

   1. SBSteven Bartlett1:08:48

   2. RKRoman Kemp1:08:48

      You know?

   3. SBSteven Bartlett1:08:48

      One of the things you said at the start of this conversation was about, um, one of the expectations that you do feel a bit of pr- bit of pressure to meet is the one in y- so your sort of romantic life, right?

   4. RKRoman Kemp1:08:58

      Yeah.

   5. SBSteven Bartlett1:08:58

      I've struggled with that for a long time, I gotta be honest.

   6. RKRoman Kemp1:09:00

      Yeah.

   7. SBSteven Bartlett1:09:00

      Struggled with, uh, girlfriends, dating, all that stuff, Tinder, all of the way that people date in the modern age, and just like finding good people and really putting the effort in, 'cause I can't be bothered with the small talk.

   8. RKRoman Kemp1:09:09

      Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   9. SBSteven Bartlett1:09:10

      So tell me about that. Are you a single man right now or-

   10. RKRoman Kemp1:09:12

       I'm single right now, yes. Yeah. I used to... To be honest, it's, it's like, uh, the... My, my one thing that I struggle with, and, look, I've, I've had girlfriends that, you know, in the past where I've, I've, I've been an absolute arsehole and like, of course, like do you know what I mean?

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