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The Diary of a CEOBessel van der Kolk: How eye movements heal old trauma
Psychiatrist behind The Body Keeps the Score on why talk therapy stalls; how EMDR, yoga, and psychedelic sessions reach trauma the body still relives.
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Episode Details
EPISODE INFO
- Released
- December 23, 2024
- Duration
- 2h 2m
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- The Diary of a CEO
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION
Bessel van der Kolk is Professor of Psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine and President of the Trauma Research Foundation. He is the author of the global bestselling book ‘The Body Keeps The Score’. 00:00 Intro 02:17 Bessel's Mission 02:54 What Is Trauma? 04:22 What Trauma Treatments Do You Disagree With? 05:48 Does Rationalising Your Trauma Help? 06:47 What Is Considered Trauma? 09:26 Can Small Events Lead to Trauma? 10:05 Bessel's Experience as a Psychiatrist 12:29 Bessel's Parents 15:17 Consequences of Child Abuse 15:53 Is It Important to Understand Childhood Experiences? 16:28 Was Your Mother an Incest Victim? 17:17 How Many Patients Trace Issues to Childhood Experiences? 17:46 Examples of Child Abuse 19:03 How Culture Influences Parenting 21:37 Disciplining Children 23:49 Liberation Equals Separation 25:29 What Did You Learn for Your Children? 26:46 Medical Treatment for Behavioural Dysfunctions in Children 30:21 Impact of Movement on Healing 31:46 Importance of Secure Attachment to a Caregiver 32:43 Can You Heal from Childhood Trauma? 34:18 The Body Keeps the Score 36:12 Somatic Approach to Healing 36:39 Are Women More in Touch with Somatic Healing? 37:47 Impact of Trauma on Creativity 41:00 Trauma as a Perception 44:50 How Many People Have Trauma? 45:35 How Does Trauma Affect Brain Activity? 49:46 Study: Reliving a Traumatic Event 54:59 Most Radical Improvement in Clinical Practice 55:40 EMDR 57:39 How Effective Is EMDR Therapy? 58:46 Demonstration of EMDR 1:03:57 Breath work 1:05:40 Impact of Yoga on Trauma 1:06:08 Study: Effects of a Weekly Yoga Class 1:07:54 Disconnection and Hypersensitivity 1:10:12 Impact of Physical Activity on Trauma 1:13:01 Picking Up People's Energy 1:15:47 Challenges of Individualistic Cultures 1:16:33 Role of Community and Social Connections in Trauma 1:17:22 Are Women Better at Forming Connections? 1:18:04 Building Relationships in the Army 1:18:59 Building Connections Through Sports 1:20:04 How to Get By in an Individualistic Society 1:20:59 Are You Optimistic About the Future? 1:21:58 Are You Able to Point Out Anything Good About Trump? 1:22:19 Human Inclination Toward Fighting 1:22:39 Three Ways to Reverse the Damage of Trauma 1:25:38 Types of Brainwaves 1:27:33 Psychedelic Therapy 1:28:12 Body Practices 1:28:53 Is Touch Healing? 1:29:06 Talk Therapy 1:29:31 Bessel's View on Taking Medications 1:29:53 The Bottom-Up Approach 1:31:38 Does Going to the Gym Help? 1:33:50 Bessel's View on Psychedelic Therapy 1:37:46 Effects of MDMA 1:39:10 Impact of Psychedelics on Treatment-Resistant Depression 1:40:18 Bessel's Experience with Psychedelics 1:42:57 How Did Psychedelic Experiences Change You? 1:43:33 Have You Healed from Your Trauma? 1:44:21 Psychodrama 1:49:18 The Rise in ADHD Diagnoses 1:51:31 Cause of ADHD 1:52:28 Is ADHD Over diagnosed? 1:55:06 How Can We Raise Untraumatised Kids? 1:56:09 Helping People in Traumatic Events 1:58:06 Question from the Previous Guest Follow Bessel: Website - https://g2ul0.app.link/fJd55uRwqPb You can purchase Bessel’s book, ‘The Body Keeps The Score’, here: https://amzn.to/3DyhgIY Studies mentioned: besselvanderkolk.tiiny.co Get your hands on the Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards here: https://appurl.io/iUUJeYn25v You can purchase the The Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards: Second Edition, here: https://g2ul0.app.link/f31dsUttKKb Follow me: https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: PerfectTed - https://www.perfectted.com with code DIARY40 for 40% off
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EPISODE SUMMARY
In this episode of The Diary of a CEO, featuring Bessel van der Kolk and Steven Bartlett, Bessel van der Kolk: How eye movements heal old trauma explores Eye Movements, Somatic Healing, Psychedelics: Rethinking How Trauma Recovers Dr. Bessel van der Kolk, renowned psychiatrist and author of *The Body Keeps the Score*, explains how trauma rewires the brain and body, and why traditional, talk‑only or purely cognitive approaches often miss the mark. He distinguishes trauma as a visceral, speechless reliving—where the body and perceptual systems behave as if the past is happening now—rather than a mere story or memory.
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