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The Happiness Expert: Retrain Your Brain For Maximum Happiness! Mo Gawdat

Mo Gawdat is the former Chief Business Officer of Google X, it’s ‘moonshot’ division behind it’s most exciting and futuristic projects, as well as the author of Solve For Happy, Scary Smart and his new book, That Little Voice In Your Head, where he returns to the theme of happiness which made his last appearance on the podcast such a success. 0:00 Intro 01:14 How have things changed for you since last time? 06:45 The signal for you to “move and flow” 11:03 Are you single? 15:14 Recognising phases in your life 21:46 Did you feel like something was missing? 30:01 Why did you decide to write this book? 32:37 What illusions did you live under? 39:32 Our whole lives are a contradiction 45:07 The economics of love 59:01 Money is an illusion 01:18:25 Not all thoughts are equal 01:31:02 Changing the shape of our brain 01:44:40 Masculine and Feminine energy 02:04:08 Your one selfish request 02:07:52 The last guest question Mo: https://www.instagram.com/mo_gawdat/ https://twitter.com/mgawdat Mo’s book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/That-Little-Voice-Your-Head/ Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Huel - https://my.huel.com/Steven Craftd - https://bit.ly/3JKOPFx Location courtesy of The Nightfall Group: www.nightfallgroup.com

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May 19, 20222h 12mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 10:50

    Opening, Return of Mo, and Life by Annual Themes

    Steven re‑introduces Mo as his most impactful past guest and asks what has changed since their first conversation. Mo explains his practice of giving each year a theme (silence, flow, joy & flow) and describes leaving his base in Dubai to live with no fixed long‑term plan, embracing ‘flow’ and minimalism.

  2. 10:50 – 26:20

    Half Monk, Half Warrior: Designing a 50/50 Life

    Mo outlines his ambition to live as “half monk, half modern‑day warrior,” splitting his time between deep stillness and active worldly engagement. He details how he restructures his calendar to cram ‘warrior’ activities into two days a week, leaving the rest open for reflection, creativity, and service.

  3. 26:20 – 47:20

    Relationships, Seasons of Love, and Choosing Mission Over Commitment (For Now)

    Mo discusses his relationship status and why, in this phase, he chooses not to pursue a traditional committed relationship. He explains how context changes in long‑term partnerships, how he ‘fell in love’ with his ex‑wife multiple times as they each changed, and why his mission to help a billion people currently outweighs the desire for conventional coupledom.

  4. 47:20 – 59:20

    Life as a Quest, Intuition, and Embracing Changing Context

    Mo contrasts a planned ‘journey’ with an uncertain ‘quest’, likening life to Christopher Columbus sailing into the fog without a clear map. He emphasizes listening to intuition as the way ‘life’ or consciousness nudges us, and argues that most transformative life events were unplanned, often unwanted surprises that later revealed their purpose.

  5. 59:20 – 1:09:40

    Compromise, Priorities, and the Economics of Personal Choices

    Mo and Steven explore how every life choice is a compromise between competing goods (mission, love, comfort). Mo is explicit that, for him right now, ‘a billion happy’ takes priority over personal romantic comfort, and he challenges the notion that love must always come first.

  6. 1:09:40 – 1:25:20

    The ‘Little Voice’, Illusions, and How Thoughts Create Unhappiness

    Mo introduces the central idea of his book: that most unhappiness comes not from events but from the thoughts we construct about them. He lists three dominant roots of unhappiness—lack of self‑love, ego, and the inner voice—and recounts personal illusions, like once believing his family was a burden, to illustrate how unchecked narratives distort reality.

  7. 1:25:20 – 1:39:00

    Finding Hidden Beliefs Through Contradiction and the Three Compartments

    Mo lays out a practical framework for identifying misleading beliefs by examining contradictions between what we think, feel, and do. He describes three mental ‘compartments’ and urges people to label unresolved topics rather than unconsciously pretending they’re settled truths.

  8. 1:39:00 – 1:54:20

    Dating as Economics: Criteria, Probabilities, and Honest Advertising

    Mo uses probability math to explain why finding a highly specific romantic partner is statistically hard and why clarity plus honest ‘advertising’ matter. He and Steven discuss how people often pursue reassurance (attention, validation) rather than the relationship model they truly want, and how this misalignment sabotages outcomes.

  9. 1:54:20 – 2:08:40

    Money as Illusion: Cost, Safety, and True ‘Rizq’

    Mo deconstructs money as a fundamental illusion created by fractional reserve banking and sustained by our misunderstanding of its real costs. He contrasts income with ‘rizq’—the actual good your resources bring—and argues most people overvalue money’s promise of safety while underestimating the life costs they incur to get and keep it.

  10. 2:08:40 – 2:22:10

    Mission, Ego, and Mixed Motives in Impactful Work

    Steven and Mo candidly examine the interplay between service and ego in high‑visibility work like podcasts and tours. They agree that conflicting motives—desire to help, hunger to win, insecurity, need for applause—are normal, and that awareness and direction of those motives matter more than pretending they aren’t there.

  11. 2:22:10 – 2:37:20

    Thought Ingredients: Conditioning, Media, and Observation vs Story

    Mo categorizes the main ‘ingredients’ from which thoughts are built and warns that most are corrupted sources. He contrasts pure observation (narrating what is happening) with the layered stories our brains construct using conditioning, recycled memories, and sensationalist media—stories that often bear little resemblance to reality.

  12. 2:37:20 – 2:54:00

    Neuroplasticity: How to Rewire Your Brain for Happiness

    Mo explains neuroplasticity—the brain’s ability to rewire—using the analogy of building muscle and an old telephone switchboard. He stresses that repeated thoughts and actions, whether positive or negative, physically reconfigure the brain, and lays out how habits like gratitude and deliberate re‑framing can shift emotional defaults over weeks and months.

  13. 2:54:00 – 3:24:00

    Masculine and Feminine Energies: Being vs Doing

    Mo separates masculine and feminine as approaches to life rather than fixed gender categories. He argues that over‑emphasis on masculine ‘doing’ has produced a hyper‑productive but unwise world, and that integrating feminine qualities like intuition, inclusion, and flow is critical for better decisions, creativity, and societal health.

  14. 3:24:00

    Grief, Ali’s Legacy, and Redefining Wealth as Love, Knowledge, Experience

    In an emotional close, the conversation returns to Mo’s son Ali, whose death catalyzed Mo’s work on happiness. Mo asks listeners to wish happiness for Ali and reflects on real wealth not as money but as accumulated love, knowledge, and experiences, seeing the global love directed toward Ali and his mission as a profound form of equity.

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