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The Love Expert: Why Women Are Addicted To Toxic Men,"Have A Boring Relationship Instead!" Logan Ury

If you want to hear more dating and relationship advice, I recommend you check out my most recent conversation with Jay Shetty, which you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLTUA1lneS0 0:00 Intro 02:10 Why Does Your Work Matter? 05:55 Attachment Theories, which one are you? 11:26 What To Do As An Avoidant Attached person 19:31 How To Find A Secure Partner & Maintain A Healthy Relationship 35:03 The "secretary problem" That Could Save Your Love Life 38:48 What To Do As An Anxious Attached Person 45:02 Why Icks Are Stopping You Finding Love 50:00 3 Dating Tendencies 01:02:02 Why You Need To Skip The Small Talk! 01:09:37 The Number One Way To Find Love 01:18:15 8 Date Questions To Find The One 01:28:06 The Qualities You Should Be Looking For In A Person (backed by science) 01:37:43 How To Get The Perfect Dating Profile 01:44:29 The Last Guest's Question You can find out which of the 3 dating tendencies you are with Logan’s quiz, here: https://bit.ly/491O3lj You can purchase Logan’s book, ‘How to Not Die Alone: The Surprising Science That Will Help You Find Love’, here: https://amzn.to/476uvdV Follow Logan: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3SddZUL Twitter: https://bit.ly/46IWMqV Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX Join this channel to get access to perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGq-a57w-aPwyi3pW7XLiHw/join FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: http://bit.ly/3ztHuHm Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Whoop: https://join.whoop.com/CEO Huel: https://g2ul0.app.link/G4RjcdKNKsb

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Oct 26, 20231h 48mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 9:00

    Why Dating Feels So Hard Today

    Logan Ury introduces herself, her role at Hinge, and why her work matters. She explains how modern dating is historically new, why so many people are struggling, and how relationship science can address blind spots. She also discusses Hinge’s mission to get people off the app and into real relationships.

  2. 9:00 – 25:00

    Attachment Theory and the Anxious-Avoidant Loop

    Logan introduces attachment theory through the classic infant experiments and connects them to adult romantic dynamics. She breaks down secure, anxious, and avoidant attachment, emphasizing how anxious and avoidant people often end up in a painful loop that feels like love but is actually instability.

  3. 25:00 – 35:00

    Avoidant Attachment From the Inside

    At Steven’s request, Logan zooms in on avoidant attachment, describing triggers, deactivating strategies, and protest behaviors with vivid examples. She offers practical tools for avoidant people to regulate themselves, communicate needs, and override their negativity bias rather than sabotaging connections.

  4. 35:00 – 46:40

    Can Attachment Styles Change? And Why Secure Feels ‘Boring’

    Logan addresses whether attachment styles are fixed, pushing back on blaming parents exclusively and emphasizing personal responsibility. She explains how dating a secure person can rewire anxious or avoidant patterns and why many people initially dismiss secure partners as dull or desperate.

  5. 46:40 – 55:00

    Addicted to Toxic Partners: The ‘Fuckboy’ Slot Machine

    Responding to the cultural fascination with ‘fuckboys’, Logan uses B.F. Skinner’s pigeon experiments and partial reinforcement to explain why hot-and-cold partners are so compelling. She contrasts this with secure partners’ consistent ‘continuous reward schedule’ and argues that excitement isn’t the same as long-term suitability.

  6. 55:00 – 1:10:00

    Case Study: Steven’s Relationship and Breaking Old Patterns

    Steven shares his own avoidant past, his current partner’s more anxious tendencies, and a breakup-and-reunion story where he flew to Bali. Logan analyzes their dynamic as an example of the anxious-avoidant loop and highlights decision points where they each chose differently, allowing a healthy relationship to emerge.

  7. 1:10:00 – 1:18:20

    The Secretary Problem and Knowing When to Stop Searching

    Logan introduces the ‘secretary problem’ and optimal stopping theory as a metaphor for dating, suggesting a rational framework for when to stop endlessly searching. She applies it to Steven’s recognition that his girlfriend was his benchmark and critiques maximizer mindsets that prevent commitment.

  8. 1:18:20 – 1:30:00

    Anxious Attachment: Triggers, Spirals, and How to Cope

    To balance the discussion on avoidants, Logan maps out the internal experience of anxious attachers: from minor triggers to catastrophic thinking to protest behaviors. She offers specific regulation strategies and links them to broader mindfulness concepts around creating space between stimulus and response.

  9. 1:30:00 – 1:39:10

    Icks, Velcro Wallets, and Confusing Pet Peeves With Dealbreakers

    Logan and Steven dissect the modern obsession with ‘icks’ through humorous examples, from Velcro wallets to imagined bus-running. She argues that many people use trivial aversions as a shield against intimacy, mistaking minor annoyances for fundamental incompatibilities.

  10. 1:39:10 – 1:50:00

    Three Dating Tendencies: Romanticizers, Maximizers, Hesitaters

    Drawing from her coaching practice, Logan categorizes most struggling daters into three archetypes, each driven by unrealistic expectations. She explains how each tendency sabotages progress and what changes are necessary to move toward healthy, committed relationships.

  11. 1:50:00 – 2:02:30

    Designing Better Dates: Environment, Phone Hygiene, and Side‑by‑Side Seating

    Logan critiques the default coffee-walk interviews many serial daters rely on and explains how date design shapes chemistry. She introduces the concept of ‘digital body language’ and offers evidence-backed tips for building deeper in-person connection by eliminating distractions and choosing better formats.

  12. 2:02:30 – 2:15:00

    Skip the Small Talk: Stories, Vulnerability, and Real Connection

    Logan encourages moving beyond shallow facts into personal stories and feelings to build rapport. She shows how to transform dry information into emotionally resonant sharing and explains why perfection is alienating, whereas vulnerability acts as a bridge between people.

  13. 2:15:00 – 2:25:00

    From Relation Shopping to Relation Shipping

    Reacting to Steven’s early ‘shopping list’ view of partners, Logan distinguishes between treating dating like Amazon and treating it as building a life with a teammate. She challenges listeners to question their assumptions about what matters and introduces her ‘Post-Date Eight’ to shift attention from checklists to felt experience.

  14. 2:25:00 – 2:35:00

    What Really Matters (and Doesn’t) for Long‑Term Success

    Logan contrasts popular dating criteria—looks, money, shared hobbies—with factors research actually links to durable relationships. She emphasizes qualities like kindness, loyalty, emotional stability, and the ability to fight well and make hard decisions together, reframing how to judge potential partners.

  15. 2:35:00 – 2:45:00

    Marriage Timing, ‘Decide Don’t Slide’, and the Myth of the Perfect Moment

    Steven asks about the ‘right time’ to marry, sharing a friend’s frantic pattern of rushing women into cohabitation. Logan shifts the focus from timelines to intentional decision-making, advocating for explicit conversations about life goals and shared visions instead of relying on love to imply alignment.

  16. 2:45:00 – 3:00:00

    Do Dating Apps Help or Hurt? And How to Win on Hinge

    Logan defends dating apps as net-positive tools, especially for ‘thin markets’ like LGBTQ+ people or those over 50, while acknowledging frustrations for some men. She then lays out research-backed guidelines for building an effective Hinge profile that tells a clear, specific story instead of a generic highlight reel.

  17. 3:00:00

    Closing Thoughts: Vulnerability, Great Sex, and Why ‘Boring’ Love Wins

    In the final segment, Logan answers a question about what makes sex great and Steven reflects on vulnerability’s surprising power in his life. They circle back to the book’s thesis: science-backed, intentional dating beats vibes-based myths, and embracing secure, ‘boring’ love is often the real path to deep fulfillment.

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