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The More Successful You Are The Longer You'll Live! Will Storr

Will is an author who brings out the unexpected ways that we’re vulnerable, and how to manage those vulnerabilities and turn them into strengths. The author of six books including Sunday Times bestsellers, he’s one of the most interesting voices on how we can manage our worst impulses to succeed in the modern world. Topics: 0:00 Intro 01:26 Your early years, how was your self esteem shaped In those years? 08:55 Your book selfie, the inspiration 17:49 Would you have been happier if you were told you could succeed? 20:57 Am I actually making decisions? 27:02 How our genes control us 30:56 Story telling 42:46 Why does status matter? 57:20 Can we be to consumed by status? 01:01:02 We live longer with higher status 01:12:09 Our pursuit of status is greater and our pursuit for money 01:14:13 The part social cues play in the status game 01:20:08 How do we advance in the ‘status game’? 01:27:39 What ingredients create happiness for you? 01:40:28 The last guest question Will: https://twitter.com/wstorr https://www.instagram.com/williamstorr/ Will’s book The Status Game: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Status-Game-Will-Storr/ Will’s new book, The Status Game, is out now in the UK and in the US on the 23rd August. Others books mentioned: Selfie: How We Became So Self-Obsessed and What It's Doing to Us The Science of Storytelling: Why Stories Make Us Human and How to Tell Them Better Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast... Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT... FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenbar... Sponsors: Vodafone Business - https://bit.ly/3Nagd1l Craftd - https://bit.ly/3JKOPFx Huel - https://my.huel.com/Steven Carpets gifted from Tapi - https://bit.ly/3P10anj Chandelier & Lights gifted from Tom Kirk Lighting - https://bit.ly/3Q6vJxd

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CHAPTERS

  1. 2:20 – 7:00

    Strict Catholic Childhood, Rebellion, and the Roots of His Curiosity

    Storr recounts growing up in a strict, superstitious Catholic household and school in Tunbridge Wells, constantly clashing with authority and religious dogma. This early confusion about how smart people could believe “crazy things” led directly to his later work on belief, heresy, and psychology.

    • Raised in a very Catholic, Victorian-style, rule-bound family and school.
    • Felt like a “difficult child” because he pushed back against religious beliefs and authority.
    • Bafflement at his intelligent parents’ belief in heaven, hell, and Satan became the seed for his book “The Heretics.”
    • Childhood experiences shaped his lifelong interest in why people hold irrational or extreme beliefs.
  2. 7:00 – 19:20

    Self-Esteem, Early Damage, and the Limits of Psychological Change

    He describes how constant negative feedback from parents and teachers damaged his self-esteem and how, combined with high neuroticism, this wired his brain for anxiety. Storr and Bartlett explore whether childhood trauma can ever be fully erased, concluding that its influence can be reduced but not entirely removed.

    • Labeled a bad kid, told he’d end up in prison or care, with little positive reinforcement.
    • Believes early damage in the brain’s formative years (up to mid-20s) cannot be completely undone.
    • Distinguishes between diminishing trauma’s power and eradicating it—he thinks full erasure is unrealistic.
    • Describes the harsh inner judge and the need to become a firm-but-kind “inner parent,” not just a defender of all your impulses.
  3. 19:20 – 35:40

    Selfie, the Self-Esteem Movement, and the Rise of Perfectionism

    Storr outlines how the 1980s–90s self-esteem movement convinced schools and policymakers that loving yourself was a cure-all, only for research to show the causal arrow was reversed. He argues that neoliberal economics and individualism supercharged perfectionism, making people feel individually responsible for both success and failure, with serious mental health costs.

    • Self-esteem era sold the idea that high self-esteem would cause success, happiness, and even solve social issues.
    • Roy Baumeister’s research showed the evidence base for self-esteem theory was circular and largely false.
    • Kids did well at school and therefore had high self-esteem, not the other way around.
    • Thatcher/Reagan-era neoliberalism increased competition and individual responsibility, amplifying perfectionism.
    • Perfectionism has risen significantly and is linked to suicide, eating disorders, self-harm, and steroid abuse.
    • He began “Selfie” with suicide and his own dark moments to illustrate the real human cost of cultural myths.
  4. 35:40 – 48:40

    From Self-Love to Self-Acceptance: Flaws, Beyoncé, and Finding Your Games

    The conversation pivots to healthier messages than “you can do anything,” arguing for honest appraisal of limits and strengths. Storr emphasizes self-acceptance, identifying what you’re actually good at, and choosing status games where you can matter, instead of clinging to grandiose but unrealistic fantasies.

    • Critiques the Big Brother-style “I’m just being me, if you don’t like it that’s your problem” mindset.
    • Differentiates self-love from self-acceptance; the latter admits we’re flawed and limited.
    • Claims “you can be Beyoncé” is false and sets kids up for failure; Beyoncé is one-in-a-billion talent and drive.
    • Argues we should help children discover genuine strengths, not promote the myth of unlimited control.
    • Shares how a single encouraging teacher comment might have changed his writing trajectory—highlighting the power of targeted encouragement.
  5. 48:40 – 1:03:40

    Emotion, States of Mind, and Why Willpower Fails by Friday

    Storr and Bartlett use examples like pre- and post-ejaculation, and Monday vs Friday diets, to show how different emotional states effectively turn us into different people with different values. Storr argues that “reason” often just rationalizes feelings, and he recommends environment design over self-control for consistent behavior.

    • References a study where men’s sexual risk answers differed dramatically before vs after masturbation, illustrating state-dependent judgment.
    • Explains how moods create temporary “different selves” with different value systems (Monday discipline vs Friday indulgence).
    • Argues that what we call reason usually just justifies prior emotional reactions.
    • Recommends changing environments (like removing junk food, going to the gym) to change behavior instead of relying on a heroic self-image.
    • Introduces the “lizard and iceberg” analogy: well-being depends heavily on being in the right environment for your nature.
  6. 1:03:40 – 1:16:20

    Genes, Addiction, and the Overuse of Childhood Explanations

    They examine how much alcoholism and other problems are driven by genetics versus trauma and upbringing. Storr stresses the power of genetic predispositions (like addiction or neuroticism) and warns against blaming everything on parents or early experiences, while still acknowledging that trauma can trigger vulnerabilities.

    • Most self-help avoids genes because they seem disempowering, but genetic influence on personality is substantial.
    • Traits like neuroticism, openness, extroversion, agreeableness, and addiction risk come with your genome as a “prevailing wind.”
    • Childhood then wires those traits into stable patterns by your 20s; later change is possible but constrained.
    • Storr is himself a recovering alcoholic who now manages a sugar addiction—he sees his own “addictive personality.”
    • Alcoholism is largely genetic vulnerability; trauma and pain can accelerate and deepen addiction, but not cause it in everyone.
    • Therapy culture can be too archeological, digging only in childhood, instead of integrating genetics and current context.
  7. 1:16:20 – 1:43:55

    The Science of Storytelling: How to Persuade Minds and Markets

    Drawing from his book on storytelling and his teaching at Section4, Storr explains that humans process reality as narratives with heroes overcoming obstacles. He shows how brands like Nike and Volkswagen succeed by positioning themselves as helpers in the audience’s story, not as the hero, and by tapping into tribal values and emotions rather than statistics.

    • The brain’s natural language is story: beginnings, middles, ends, characters and obstacles—not logic and data.
    • People think with feelings first, then create stories to justify those feelings.
    • Effective business storytelling starts with deeply understanding the audience’s tribe, heroes, villains, and moral values.
    • Introduces the “light figure” concept: like the ghosts in A Christmas Carol, brands should guide the hero (customer) to what they need.
    • Nike’s Colin Kaepernick campaign is a prime example: no shoe specs, just alignment with social-justice values of their target tribe.
    • Classic Volkswagen ad (“How does the man who drives the snowplough get to the snowplough?”) illustrates light-figure storytelling.
    • Warns of clumsy virtue signaling (e.g., Kendall Jenner Pepsi ad, poorly aimed Gillette campaign) when brands misread their audience’s tribe.
  8. 1:43:55 – 2:26:30

    Status Games: What Status Really Is and Why It Dominates Our Lives

    Storr presents the core thesis of “The Status Game”: humans are wired to seek status—not just money or fame, but the feeling of being valued in a group. He distinguishes status from connection, shows how different tribes attach status to different signals, and explains how status pursuit underlies both civilization’s best achievements and many of its worst problems.

    • Status is the feeling of being valued in your group, distinct from simple belonging or connection.
    • In tribal evolution, higher status meant better food, safer sleep, more reproductive opportunities—so the brain fixates on it.
    • Different groups valorize different things: money, simplicity, activism, aristocratic understatement, religious piety, etc.
    • Example: a battered old car can be a high-status symbol in wellness or bohemian circles just as much as a Mercedes is in another.
    • Luxury fashion’s tiny or hidden logos signal higher status within that game than big, loud logos.
    • We mostly care what people inside our chosen games think of us; outsiders’ judgments matter far less.
    • Status pursuit drives technology, art, and charitable achievements, not just vanity and greed.
  9. 2:26:30 – 2:30:00

    Toxic and Healthy Status Games: Dominance, Success, and Virtue

    He categorizes status games into dominance (power and threat), success (competence), and virtue (moral alignment and rule enforcement), arguing that the most dangerous modern games are “virtue-dominance” ones like online mobs and totalitarian movements. The pair also discuss how limited status avenues can push marginalized people into gangs or crime for connection and value.

    • Dominance games use aggression or the threat of it to command attention and deference.
    • Success games reward competence: being the best doctor, coder, hunter, entrepreneur, etc.
    • Virtue games reward adherence to group morals, beliefs, and rituals, including enforcing them.
    • Most real-world games mix these elements; “virtue-dominance” (moralizing with aggression) is especially destructive.
    • He links Nazism and Soviet communism’s rise to extreme virtue-dominance games, focused on punishing non-believers more than competence.
    • Online cancel culture often behaves as a virtue-dominance game: enforcing moral norms through shaming and threat.
    • In poor environments with few legitimate status games, gangs offer status and belonging, so joining them is not “being bad” but playing the only game available.
  10. 2:30:00 – 2:52:20

    Status, Health, and Longevity: How Rank Gets Under the Skin

    Storr presents striking evidence that your place in hierarchies has measurable effects on physical health and lifespan. Through the Whitehall Studies and monkey experiments, he shows how low status or sharp drops in status change gene expression and immune function, explaining why status and loneliness both correlate with worse health outcomes and higher mortality.

    • Whitehall Studies: lower-grade civil servants had substantially higher mortality than those at the top, even controlling for income and lifestyle.
    • Health risk increases stepwise with each drop in organizational rank; not just “rich vs poor.”
    • Monkey experiments on bad diets showed lower-ranking monkeys died more, and when the hierarchy changed, health risks shifted with rank.
    • Social genomics finds that low status or loneliness increases inflammation and lowers antiviral responses via changes in gene expression.
    • Status is not a trivial psychological comfort but a biological variable influencing disease risk.
    • Two smokers with equal habits but different rank will not have equal risk; the higher-status one is less likely to die from smoking-related disease.
    • Sudden status loss or being left behind (friends all advancing while you stagnate) strongly predicts depression and suicidal ideation.
  11. 2:52:20 – 3:13:00

    Jealousy, Copying Our Idols, and Why Fame Compounds Itself

    They unpack the paradox that we admire people “like us” while also resenting them most, because they highlight our own inadequacies. Storr explains the “copy–flatter–conform” mechanism that drives celebrity culture and influencer marketing, and how our brains create feedback loops that amplify fame for those already in the spotlight.

    • We look up to high-status people similar to us (same gender, interests) and use them as models.
    • The brain’s evolved response is “copy–flatter–conform”: imitate them, praise them, align with them to gain proximity and status.
    • People unconsciously copy idols’ posture, style, even speech rhythms (e.g., after watching a stand-up special).
    • This explains the power of influencers: if we identify with them, we’ll buy almost anything they endorse.
    • We’re especially jealous of peers in our own field, because they are direct evidence of what we’re not achieving.
    • Henrich’s work shows we attend to people that many others attend to, creating a Paris Hilton / Kardashian-type fame feedback loop.
  12. 3:13:00 – 3:55:40

    Status vs Money, Titles vs Pay, and Healthy Rivalry at Work

    Storr differentiates status from money, noting that evolution tuned us for status long before money existed. He cites research showing employees often value job titles over small pay rises, and he argues leaders should give out more status (which is free), foster rivalry between teams instead of internal war, and avoid Enron-style rank-and-yank systems.

    • We evolved to crave status; money is just one modern metric for it.
    • Study of ~15,000 UK workers: most would choose a higher-status title over a modest salary bump.
    • Titles are visible status cues that can lead to better future opportunities, making them rational to prefer over small cash increases.
    • Enron’s “rank and yank” created toxic all-against-all competition, incentivizing unethical behavior and stress.
    • Healthy “rivalry” is one-against-one (person vs person, team vs team, company vs company) with near-misses and skirmishes.
    • Steve Jobs’ rivalry with a Microsoft executive bragging about tablets sparked the development of the iPhone and iPad.
    • Leaders should treat status as abundant: publicly recognize contributions, give responsibility and meaningful titles, and avoid systems that pit everyone internally against each other.
  13. 3:55:40

    Personal Status, Male Vulnerability, and Building Connection Intentionally

    In closing, Storr reflects on his own low points, especially a depressive episode after returning from Australia with no job, which he links to sharp status loss and low connection. He and Bartlett discuss men’s tendency to “go it alone,” the shortcomings of simply telling men to “talk more,” and Storr’s own attempts to increase connection and diversify his status sources.

    • Storr’s darkest period followed a return from Australia when his freelance success vanished, leading to suicidal ideation tied to status loss.
    • He admits he has mostly one main status game—writing—and wants more sources (e.g., volunteering) to protect against future downturns.
    • Cites evidence that people with more groups and status games tend to be more stable and happier.
    • Observes gendered tendencies: men often “go it alone,” women are better at “going it together,” which may fuel higher male suicide rates.
    • He is skeptical of simply telling men to be more like women; instead, support should be designed around how many men actually operate.
    • Notes that we systematically underestimate how much we’ll enjoy social occasions; once we force ourselves to go, we nearly always feel glad.
    • His personal mantra in dark times is, “The only way out is art”—creating work he’s proud of restores some status and hope.

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