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What No One Tells You About Success And Mental Health! - Building A $240M Dollar Empire!

This episode is part of our USA series, over the coming weeks you will get to see some incredible conversations with guests the likes of which we’ve never seen before. Bringing more value, more incredible stories, and more world-beating expertise. Jane Wurwand is the co-founder of Dermalogica, which revolutionised skincare for millions of people worldwide. One of the first skincare brands when it launched in the 1980s, Jane got people to care about something they didn't realise was important. Today she finally tells her incredible story in this conversation and in her new book, Skin in the Game. Topics: 00:00 Intro 01:39 How did you become the person you're today 12:43 How did moving to South Africa impact you? 16:59 Starting up as an entrepreneur and moving to LA 28:12 What made you a good entrepreneur? 34:55 Attention to detail 38:13 How to turn your weakness into a strength 41:51 Leadership and decision making 45:55 Dermalogica's journey 50:48 The cost of working hard 57:45 Therapy and finding who you are 01:05:42 Dealing with insomnia and anxiety 01:12:24 Allocating time to your true priorities 01:17:13 Acquisition of Dermalogica 01:22:32 Our last guest’s questions Jane: https://www.instagram.com/janewurwand/?hl=en Jane’s book: https://bit.ly/3KfGpqt Dermalogica: https://bit.ly/3uWKitZ Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Huel - https://my.huel.com/Steven Myenergi - https://bit.ly/3oeWGnl Location courtesy of The Nightfall Group: www.nightfallgroup.com

Jane WurwandguestSteven Bartletthost
Jun 13, 20221h 24mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 4:00 – 15:30

    Formative Loss, Financial Fear, And A Mother’s Example

    Jane describes losing her father at two and three-quarters, her mother being forced back into nursing with no financial literacy, and the shame she felt growing up without a dad. These experiences hard-wired her obsession with self-reliance and shaped her views on work, gender roles, and relationships.

  2. 15:30 – 22:00

    Choosing Skills Over University And An Urge For Self-Determination

    Motivated by her mother’s advice and fear of dependency, Jane gravitates toward hair and skin therapy rather than university. She wants a portable skill that will allow rapid self-determination, travel, and financial independence.

  3. 22:00 – 34:00

    Emigrating To South Africa, A Failed Marriage, And A Turning Point

    In her late teens, Jane emigrates to apartheid-era South Africa on assisted passage, marries young, and endures a volatile, short-lived marriage. Walking out with her clothes in trash bags and an emptied bank account becomes a defining vow never to be that vulnerable again.

  4. 34:00 – 46:00

    Meeting Raymond And Hacking Her Way Into America

    Jane meets Raymond, a sharp, pragmatic executive who appreciates her creativity. After he secures a U.S. green card, they navigate a legal loophole to transfer Jane to the U.S., seeding the partnership that will launch their training institute and later Dermalogica.

  5. 46:00 – 53:00

    Founding The International Dermal Institute: Training An Entire Industry

    Arriving in California, Jane finds a huge gap: American esthetic training is shallow and there’s almost no professional skincare culture. She and Raymond create the International Dermal Institute to bridge European-level training with U.S. licensing, effectively training the very industry they intend to serve.

  6. 53:00 – 59:00

    Community As A Business Engine And The Power Of Human Touch

    Jane reflects that IDI’s real differentiator wasn’t curriculum but community. By intentionally creating a ‘tribe’ for lonely practitioners and positioning skincare as human connection rather than luxury, she taps into a deep human need that only grows more relevant post-COVID.

  7. 59:00 – 1:06:00

    Leadership, Details, And Truth-Tellers

    Jane explains her leadership style: fair, kind, accessible, but fiercely demanding on standards and execution. She unpacks why details like a single hair on a salon floor matter and how impatience can be both a strength and a liability, managed through trusted truth-tellers.

  8. 1:06:00 – 1:17:00

    Decisiveness And Building A Polarizing Brand

    Jane lays out her 70% rule for decision-making and recounts how Dermalogica was intentionally designed to sit between cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. She describes the backlash for rejecting traditional ‘beauty’ cues and how a philosophy of provoking 80% to energize 20% became central to Dermalogica’s brand.

  9. 1:17:00 – 1:30:00

    Relentless Work, Personal Cost, And The Myth Of Balance

    Jane recounts the grind of scaling IDI and Dermalogica—constant travel, trade shows, lobbying editors in person—and argues that ‘work–life balance’ is a false dichotomy. Despite that belief, she acknowledges the costs in friendships and shares a painful wake-up call involving her daughter and a phone.

  10. 1:30:00 – 1:39:00

    Entrepreneurship Types, Selling Dermalogica, And Knowing When To Exit

    Jane differentiates between entrepreneurs, intrapreneurs, and long-game vs serial founders. She explains why she and Raymond sold Dermalogica to Unilever, how it felt euphoric rather than traumatic, and why choosing a values-aligned acquirer mattered more than pure valuation.

  11. 1:39:00 – 1:44:00

    Wealth, Children, And Responsibility To Others

    Having already built significant wealth before the Unilever sale, Jane reflects on raising grounded children and the burden of inheritance. She sees wealth as requiring a purpose beyond personal comfort, particularly in terms of helping others they may never meet.

  12. 1:44:00

    Anxiety, Insomnia, And The Transformative Power Of Therapy

    Jane finally seeks therapy in her late 50s after losing her Santa Barbara home in a mudslide and developing severe insomnia. A psychiatrist diagnoses anxiety, not a sleep disorder, leading Jane to unpack decades of loss and behavioral patterns. This process ultimately brings her to genuine self-acceptance.

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