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Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science

Razib Khan is a writer, geneticist, and blogger with an interest in history, genetics, culture, and evolutionary psychology. Podcast website + Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/razib-khan Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3Rbp8Cw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3pW2dyS Follow me on Twitter to be notified of future content: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp Follow Razib on Twitter: https://twitter.com/razibkhan Timestamps: 0:00:00 Intro 0:00:46 Razib's Background 0:02:15 Dysgenics of Intelligence 0:05:04 Endogamy and Genetic traits in India 0:09:39 Similar Examples of Endogamy 0:15:09 Why So Many Brahmin CEO's 0:20:36 Razib the Globe Trotter, Geography Expert 0:25:45 Male/Female Genetic Variance 0:30:45 Agricultural Man and Our Tiny Brains 0:35:21 The Church of Science 0:43:14 Professorship, a family business 0:45:04 Long History 0:53:23 Future of Human, Computer Interfacing 0:57:11 Near Future of Gene Editing 1:00:00 Meta Questions and Closing 1:03:55 Outro

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Apr 20, 20221h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Razib Khan on genes, intelligence, caste, and science’s fading faith

  1. Razib Khan and Dwarkesh Patel discuss how modern genomics illuminates intelligence, fertility patterns, caste endogamy, and group differences, and what this implies for the future. They explore extreme Indian jati endogamy, Ashkenazi Jewish achievement, Chinese assimilation, and why certain Indian subgroups dominate elite tech roles. Khan also reflects on male-female variance in intelligence, brain size decline, self-domestication, and realistic trajectories for gene editing and embryo selection. The conversation ends with his concerns about academic science prioritizing comfort over truth, the fragility of modern technological civilization, and practical advice on combining technical depth with historical knowledge and public writing.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Current fertility patterns imply mild long-run dysgenic trends for intelligence in developed countries.

People with genotypes associated with higher educational attainment tend to delay or forgo childbearing, leading to negative selection on those alleles; equilibrium could be centuries away, but directionally this is dysgenic under present conditions.

Indian jatis exhibit some of the most extreme long-term endogamy known in humans.

Genetic data (e.g., from Andhra Pradesh) imply ~99.5% within-jati mating per generation for millennia, a level of reproductive separation that is unusual even compared with groups like African Americans under slavery or most other mammalian societies.

Certain culturally and historically positioned groups can become disproportionate global elites once constraints lift.

Ashkenazi Jews exploded in visible achievement only after 19th‑century emancipation; Khan suggests similar potential for historically enterprising but constrained groups like Fujianese Chinese, while pointing to South Indian Brahmins as an already salient example in global tech and academia.

Greater male variance in intelligence likely stems from sex-chromosome biology and developmental instability.

Males have only one X chromosome, so deleterious mutations are unmasked, increasing low-end impairment; additional masculinizing developmental steps and testosterone’s immune tradeoffs increase instability, which can generate more failures but also more extreme high-end outcomes.

Gene editing’s near-term promise is in treating Mendelian diseases, not boosting intelligence.

Over the next decade, Khan expects CRISPR and related tools to cure disorders like sickle cell and cystic fibrosis in living adults; editing embryos for polygenic traits like IQ likely requires at least ~20 years and may work better by removing de novo harmful mutations than by adding ‘genius’ variants.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Science is here for the truth. If that's not the primary focus, why are we funding it?

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If you're not there for the truth, eventually the institution's not going to make it. It's just gonna kind of dissolve.

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Indians just are really good at endogamy for some reason… having a whole society like this is pretty weird.

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There’s no reason you need to be able to do algebraic topology easily. That’s just a freak thing.

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We are in a meta-stable state where you look like a primate, but you have the ability to destroy civilization.

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Genetic selection, fertility patterns, and the future distribution of intelligenceExtreme endogamy among Indian jatis and parallels with Ashkenazi Jews and other groupsEthnic niches in economic and intellectual life (Brahmins in tech, Fujianese, Hakka, Ashkenazi Jews)Sex differences and greater male variance in intelligence and developmental stabilityHuman evolution since agriculture: brain size reduction and self-domestication debatesGene editing, polygenic traits, and realistic near-term biomedical applicationsThe culture of science: truth vs collegiality, class advantage, and metric distortionCivilizational fragility, exponential tech change, and brain–computer interface futuresUsing history with genomics/cultural evolution and how to communicate technical material

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