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Steve Hsu - Intelligence, Embryo Selection, & The Future of Humanity

Steve Hsu is a Professor of Theoretical Physics and of Computational Mathematics, Science, and Engineering at Michigan State University, and one of the founders of the company Genomic Prediction. We go deep into the weeds on how embryo selection can make babies healthier and smarter. Steve also explains the advice Richard Feynman gave him to pick up girls, the genetics of aging and intelligence, and the psychometric differences between shape rotators and wordcels. Read Transcript: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/steve-hsu Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3wob9AK Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PCNK5m Steve Hsu's Blog: infoproc.blogspot.com Follow Steve: https://twitter.com/hsu_steve Follow me: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp TIMESTAMPS 0:00:00 Intro 0:00:49 Feynman’s advice on picking up women 0:12:21 Embryo selection 0:24:54 Why hasn't natural selection already optimized humans? 0:34:48 Aging 0:43:53 First Mover Advantage 0:53:50 Genomics in dating 1:00:32 Ancestral populations 1:07:59 Is this eugenics? 1:16:00 Tradeoffs to intelligence 1:25:02 Consumer preferences 1:30:15 Gwern 1:34:36 Will parents matter? 1:45:26 Word cells and shape rotators 1:57:27 Bezos and brilliant physicists 2:10:24 Elite education

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Aug 22, 20222h 21mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Genetic Prediction, IVF, and Engineering Intelligence: Steve Hsu’s Vision

  1. Steve Hsu discusses how advances in genomics, AI, and IVF enable embryo selection based on polygenic predictors for disease risk, health, and eventually traits like height and intelligence. He explains the mathematical and evolutionary foundations of polygenic scores, emphasizing that most complex traits are surprisingly additive and highly polygenic, making them predictable with enough data. Hsu outlines his company Genomic Prediction’s role in IVF clinics worldwide, where embryo genotyping already helps parents avoid embryos with extreme disease risks, and sketches how future CRISPR editing and better data could allow far more ambitious trait optimization. The conversation also ranges into ethical and societal implications—inequality, regulation, national strategies—plus digressions on Feynman, elite education, talent, and the strengths of physics-style quantitative thinking.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Embryo selection for health is already a real, scaled medical service.

Millions of IVF cycles happen globally each year; clinics routinely biopsy embryos and send samples to labs like Genomic Prediction, which provide polygenic risk reports so parents can avoid embryos with outlier risks for major diseases.

Most complex human traits are highly polygenic yet mostly additive and predictable.

Traits like height, disease risk, and likely cognitive ability are influenced by thousands of variants; using high-dimensional regression and compressed sensing, simple additive models (weighted sums of SNPs) can capture much of the heritable variance once datasets reach hundreds of thousands to millions of genomes.

There is far more selectable genetic variance than evolution has used.

Because traits depend on thousands of loci, changing the equivalent of only √N variants can shift a trait by a full standard deviation; this implies a deep “well” of unused variation that breeding, embryo selection, or future editing could exploit to extend healthspan or alter traits substantially beyond current human norms.

Cross-population prediction is limited today but solvable with more and better data.

Polygenic scores trained on Europeans degrade in accuracy for other ancestries due to different LD/tagging structures; combining diverse biobanks and cross-group machine learning can progressively localize truly causal variants and improve portability.

Future capabilities likely include predicting appearance and many independent traits from DNA.

Face-recognition embeddings are highly heritable; inverting such models using genomic data plus training could allow reconstruction of likely faces from embryo DNA, alongside independent control of hundreds to ~1,000 trait dimensions (health, morphology, psychology) given the information content in human genetic variation.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“We’re gonna start navigating in this high-dimensional space as we like.”

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“The ways that I differ from you are merely just ‘cause I have more of something and you have less of something.”

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“There’s clearly a lot of variance available to be selected on or edited. That’s just… there’s no question about that.”

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“If you’re more of a left guy… you can forcibly give more genomic prediction resources to people who need them.”

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“People who criticize this have no idea how sophisticated the work is.”

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Richard Feynman’s dating advice and personalityHistory and evolution of physical culture and bodybuildingGenomic Prediction, IVF, and the embryo selection problemPolygenic risk scores, compressed sensing, and additive genetic architectureEvolution, pleiotropy, and limits of natural optimization of traitsFuture technologies: CRISPR editing, induced pluripotent stem cells, facial predictionEthical, social, and geopolitical implications of genetic selection and enhancementIntelligence, educational attainment, and cross-population prediction challengesElite education, talent distribution, and the role of physicists outside physics

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