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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Webflow's Vlad Magdalin on Four Attempts and Unshakable Conviction
- Magdalin's idea for Webflow came from his background in graphic design and 3D animation, where creatives work in sophisticated tools without a translation layer, and from translating Photoshop designs into HTML and CSS as an intern.
- He tried three times to start the company before succeeding, with early efforts fading nights-and-weekends and the third derailed by a trademark conflict, co-founders leaving, and a well-funded competitor.
- The fourth attempt began after a trademark certificate arrived and he watched Bret Victor's talk 'Inventing on Principle'; it led to a failed Kickstarter plan, a rejected YC application, six lean months, and a Hacker News launch that gained traction and got Webflow into YC.
- Magdalin says Webflow's growth rests on customer focus and the team, informed by Simon Sinek's The Infinite Game, and says he was motivated by seeing the idea exist rather than by money.
- He advises founders not to choose between having kids and starting a company, saying he hid his kids from investors early on and that parenthood shaped Webflow's sustainable culture.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasDeep conviction in a specific idea drove persistence
Magdalin was certain the way websites were built was broken, and he dismissed investor doubt and the earlier failures of Adobe and Macromedia. He admits this sometimes kept him from useful critical input.
Early failures didn't feel like failures
The first two attempts petered out as side projects while life moved on, and the idea eventually returned as he gained confidence as an engineer and saw the competitor taking a different direction.
Purpose can be the trigger to commit
After seeing Bret Victor's talk, which asked whether your work gives you a sense of purpose, Magdalin called his boss the next morning to say he was starting a company.
Setbacks and lean months preceded traction
The Kickstarter video was wasted because Kickstarter disallowed hosted software, and YC rejected them as too early. They then spent six lean months building a real product on credit cards, loans, and car lease conversions.
Developers embraced the tool unexpectedly
Magdalin expected developers to dislike a tool that might replace them, but Hacker News embraced it because it removed tedious translation work and produced clean, semantic code.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesTo me, it was just so obvious that it's the current way that things work is broken and it needs to be fixed, that I was just 1000% convinced that I need to build that thing, that specific idea.
— Vlad Magdalin
There's never a great time to start a startup or have kids, but the other part of that advice is like you always figure it out.
— Vlad Magdalin
It's never gonna be stable. You know, there's never a, a great time when everything is figured out, so go for what you truly want and need in your life, and a lot of times that's both of those things.
— Vlad Magdalin
I was just thinking of like, what do I need to do to bring this to reality, not to make as much money as possible.
— Vlad Magdalin
I think the two biggest factors, like really thinking about customers and really thinking about the team that, uh, is gonna get you there. Everything else is like details.
— Vlad Magdalin
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Vlad Magdalin
guestCo-founder of Webflow, a visual web design and development platform.
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