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Walt Disney and Picasso

What I learned from reading "Creators: From Chaucer and Durer to Picasso and Disney" (https://a.co/d/0d0QIKN) by Paul Johnson. https://www.founderspodcast.com/ Full Transcript and Show Notes: https://www.founderspodcast.com/episodes/59187009/senra-pablo-picasso-and-walt-disney-creators David Senra: https://x.com/FoundersPodcast?s=20

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Mar 28, 202451mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 4:03

    Picasso vs. Disney: Paul Johnson's Essay in Creators

    David Senra reads the opening of Paul Johnson's essay contrasting Picasso and Disney as visual revolutionaries of the 20th century. He explains that the book Creators collects essays on history's great creators and why this one prompted so many notes. He also notes Johnson's evident dislike of Picasso and admiration of Disney.

    • •The 20th century's visual revolution came from both new technology and powerful individuals
    • •Picasso worked in the old-world studio tradition in Paris, while Disney embraced America's new technologies and Hollywood
    • •Senra has read several Paul Johnson books and done episodes on them
    • •The essay's closing question is which man was more potent
    • •Senra is using the essay as research for a larger Walt Disney episode
  2. 4:03 – 6:04

    Picasso's Early Life: Self-Taught and Market-Savvy

    Senra covers Picasso's birth in Spain, his father's teaching, and his self-directed start as an artist. Johnson's blunt description leads Senra to the point that Picasso always knew what would sell, and he links this to Naval Ravikant's "learn to sell, learn to build."

    • •Picasso was taught by his father until 14, then largely self-taught and self-promoted
    • •Being an autodidact meant fewer inhibitions but also weaknesses
    • •He sold paintings from age nine and never struggled with marketing
    • •Senra connects this to Naval's advice and Ogilvy's "killers and poets"
  3. 6:04 – 8:35

    Avoiding Competition: Imitation, Casas, and Moving to Paris

    Picasso imitated the Barcelona painter Casas, and his first one-man show invited unfavorable comparison. He left Spain in 1904 for Paris, where novelty was prized. Senra draws lessons about differentiating yourself and relocating to the best place for your work.

    • •Imitation precedes creation
    • •Picasso's 135-work show was inferior to Casas and failed
    • •He left Spain for good in 1904 to escape Casas's shadow
    • •Senra's lesson: don't be the best, be the only, and go to the best physical location for your field
  4. 8:35 – 11:07

    Relentless Output and Extraordinary Wealth

    Senra uses Les Schwab's "repeat, repeat, repeat" to frame Picasso's prolific output, including a painting every morning and work in every medium. A quoted statistic says he averaged a new piece every day for 71 years. This output made him the richest artist ever.

    • •Les Schwab's line about doing everything with gusto and in volume
    • •Picasso produced a painting every morning by 1900 and worked across many media
    • •One quoted figure puts him at 26,075 works over 33,403 days
    • •He was a millionaire by 1914 and the richest artist ever by his death
    • •His intelligence was creative rather than academic
  5. 11:07 – 16:41

    Charisma and the Dark Side of Picasso's Character

    Johnson describes Picasso's mesmeric charisma alongside his inability to tell truth from falsehood or right from wrong. Senra compares this to Arnold Schwarzenegger's charisma and cites Robert Caro's line that power reveals character. The essay details Picasso's ego, cruelty toward women, and jealousy.

    • •Charisma worked for Picasso in attracting both sexual and business partners
    • •Senra compares it to the charisma described in a book about young Arnold Schwarzenegger
    • •Caro: power doesn't always corrupt, but it always reveals
    • •Picasso boasted "I do not give. I take" and called women goddesses or doormats
    • •Johnson says evil and creative genius can exist side by side
  6. 16:41 – 20:27

    Selfish Focus and the Cautionary Tale of Picasso's Unhappiness

    Johnson argues Picasso's selfishness was inseparable from his achievement. Senra reflects on how intense focus is both a superpower and inherently selfish, costing the personal lives of many founders. Picasso's fame and wealth did not bring serenity, and his last years were marked by family tragedy.

    • •Picasso's egoism gave him overwhelming self-promoting energy and concentration
    • •Senra says intense focus is the most important lesson from his studies, but can consume everything else
    • •Time for work often comes at the expense of marriages and family
    • •Picasso's widow shot herself and his eldest child died of alcoholism
    • •Vast success can fail to bring happiness
  7. 20:27 – 24:01

    Walt Disney's Childhood and Entrepreneurial Drive

    Senra turns to Johnson's portrait of Disney, who struggled harder than Picasso to earn a living. Growing up on a Missouri farm gave him a lifelong love of animals and nature. He anthropomorphized animals while Picasso dehumanized women, and he wanted to be his own master.

    • •Disney grew up on a farm and always drew animals
    • •Disney anthropomorphized animals, the essential source of his power and humor
    • •He saw family as the only source of lasting happiness
    • •By 18 he was a newspaper cartoonist who wanted his own business and to enter animation
    • •Late in life he was proudest of keeping control of his company and of Disneyland
  8. 24:01 – 29:24

    Bankruptcy, Hollywood, and Alice's First Profit

    Disney learned that sound and capital were the missing pieces for animation. His Laugh-O-Gram company went bankrupt, and after scraping by he moved to Hollywood in 1923 with $40. Using an Alice sample and a resourceful low-budget setup, he made his first real profit.

    • •Disney believed animation without sound was dead but didn't know how to make sound or have capital
    • •He built on Max Fleischer's mix of live action and cartoons to make Alice in Cartoonland
    • •After bankruptcy he filmed weddings and funerals for $10-15 and ate canned beans
    • •He sold his camera and headed to Hollywood with $40
    • •The first Alice film cost $750 and sold for $1,500
  9. 29:24 – 34:23

    Collaboration, Novelty, and the Birth of Mickey Mouse

    Senra compares the Disney–Iwerks partnership to Picasso's with Braque. The public's appetite for novelty and rivals poaching his animators led Disney to invent Mickey Mouse after Oswald. Johnson contrasts Picasso's cartoon-like figures animated by contempt with Disney's mouse animated by love.

    • •Iwerks's role in early animations can't be separated from Disney's, as with Picasso and Braque
    • •Bigger studios raided Disney's staff, so he invented a new character
    • •His wife Lilly objected to the name Mortimer, so he chose Mickey
    • •Mickey received over 800,000 fan letters in 1934
    • •Senra's takeaway: a durable, beloved brand rests on love rather than hate
  10. 34:23 – 37:25

    Speed, Sound, and Resourcefulness: Steamboat Willie

    With little money, Disney used speed as an advantage and jumped on sound technology after The Jazz Singer. He improvised sound equipment with cheap noisemakers and was so devoted that his brother and he sold their father's car. Senra links this to the idea that constraints help smaller companies, citing Kevin Kelly and Sam Walton.

    • •Mickey's early jerkiness was technical, and Disney forced the pace of animation
    • •He improvised sound with a harmonica, cowbells, tin pans, and washboards
    • •Kevin Kelly and Sam Walton on lack of resources as a benefit
    • •Steamboat Willie in 1928 invented the sound cartoon
    • •Disney originally voiced Mickey himself
  11. 37:25 – 41:28

    Nature, Color, and the Pursuit of Excellence Over Money

    Disney's studio treated nature as the one true source of art and adopted color as quickly as sound. He spent heavily on quality, with costs far above rivals', and hired the best artists. Senra quotes a biography saying he never tried to make money, and Johnson likens the studio to Renaissance workshops.

    • •Animators studied live animals and films of animals
    • •Disney adopted Technicolor and spent money as fast as it came in
    • •Walt's line to his brother Roy: he'd say what it cost when he was finished
    • •Eight-minute films cost $13,000 against rivals' $2,500
    • •Disney's studio did in a decade what Renaissance painters did in two centuries
  12. 41:28 – 45:07

    Snow White and the Value of Waiting for Technology

    Technology finally allowed Disney to make a feature-length fairy tale, Snow White. Senra's note to himself is to wait for technology to catch up and practice what's now possible. He ties it to Steve Jobs's research on animation economics and Snow White's 28 million video sales.

    • •Color, backgrounds, and soundtrack made a feature film possible
    • •Snow White involved over two million drawings and marked animation's maturity
    • •Disney had thought about these ideas for some 18 years
    • •Jobs found Disney didn't want others to know how lucrative animation was
    • •Jobs said Snow White sold 28 million copies 60 years on
  13. 45:07 – 49:14

    Disneyland and the Compounding of Experience with Age

    After four more features exploring nature, Disney conceived a theme park built in three dimensions, opening Disneyland in 1955. Senra stresses that great work often comes late, since Disney was 54 and Jobs's iPhone came after three decades of work. He recalls his lunch with Sam Zell as an example of compounded knowledge.

    • •Pinocchio, Fantasia, Dumbo, and Bambi followed Snow White between 1938 and 1944
    • •Disneyland opened in 1955, Disney's greatest creation, when he was 54
    • •Move fast but at a pace sustainable for decades
    • •Knowledge compounds, as seen in Senra's lunch with Sam Zell, who had decades of deal experience
  14. 49:14 – 51:58

    Johnson's Verdict: Nature Outlasts Picasso, and Closing Notes

    Johnson concludes Disney's influence was immense, as he trained over 1,000 artists and founded a business that still thrives. Picasso set himself against nature, so his ideas will fade while Disney's endure. Senra recommends the book and mentions his email list.

    • •Disney trained over 1,000 artists and founded a lasting business
    • •Disney worked within nature while Picasso burrowed into himself
    • •Johnson predicts Disney's ideas will keep shining while Picasso's fade
    • •The book has 14 essays that can be read in any order
    • •Senra promotes his email list of top 10 highlights per book

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